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IF we are doing the works of Jesus we would be 'creating/producing something...even if not physically seen. We would be OBEDIENT for a start....but christians have not gone that far yet....they only use HIS name and then go their own way....not much being created there.
yeah, but all things came into being though the word, that is physical creation, right?
 

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1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[SUP]a[/SUP] it.

(stuff about John)

9The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Don't know what you are trying to say here.
 
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The second half just shows that the Word is Jesus.

How do you explain away that "the word was God"? :)
 

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yeah, but all things came into being though the word, that is physical creation, right?
I don't quite understand. Why would God not create through and by the Word ? The Word was with God before it became flesh/Jesus.
 
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I don't quite understand. Why would God not create through and by the Word ? The Word was with God before it became flesh/Jesus.
But if the word was God, and the word is Jesus, you still cannot escape the fact that Jesus is God.
 

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The second half just shows that the Word is Jesus.

How do you explain away that "the word was God"? :)
It also says that the Word was WITH God...to me it says that God was not on His own. The Word was GOD's spoken by Him and coming from Him as Part of Him Joh 14v24; 16v27,28.
When a Man has a son that son is Human like His father...so when God had/begat a Son that Son was God like His Father - the same Kind (as Humans or animals are the SAME kind as their parents) Gen 1v24, 26.
 
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So you think God is not capable of being both man and God?
 
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The second half just shows that the Word is Jesus.

How do you explain away that "the word was God"? :)
John 1.14-18 does not explain away the word was God, but it does show us that Jesus was the word made flesh

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” [SUP]16 [/SUP]For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
 

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But if the word was God, and the word is Jesus, you still cannot escape the fact that Jesus is God.
and neither can you escape the fact that a man and his son are 'human...but they are not each other or one and the same person.
 

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John 1.14-18 does not explain away the word was God, but it does show us that Jesus was the word made flesh

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” [SUP]16 [/SUP]For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
I agree except it says 'the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father.
 
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in our hearts, when we envision 'The God Head', we see Yeshua as the supreme Head,
and Jesus and The Holy Spirit as His arms, totally attached in All ways into
His Heart and being..definitely Not 'separate'...just us, please don't take offence,
brothers and sisters...
 

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in our hearts, when we envision 'The God Head', we see Yeshua as the supreme Head,
and Jesus and The Holy Spirit as His arms, totally attached in All ways into
His Heart and being..definitely Not 'separate'...just us, please don't take offence,
brothers and sisters...

Hi oldethennew,

Are you saying that they aren't separate and yet one, that they are somehow attached as one whole unit?
 
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in our hearts, when we envision 'The God Head', we see Yeshua as the supreme Head,
and Jesus and The Holy Spirit as His arms, totally attached in All ways into
His Heart and being..definitely Not 'separate'...just us, please don't take offence,
brothers and sisters...
We know or should know that Satan seeks to counterfeit God.

We see in Revelation that Satan manifests himself in 3 ways to counterfeit the Trinity<<<word is not in the Bible I know

Satan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God

The Beast>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jesus

False Prophet>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Holy Spirit


This is why the Beast and False Prophet cannot be establishments, movements, groups.

They have to be singular men each doing a separate role, but taking orders from Satan himself and part of Satan himself.

The demonic Trinity shows us the proof of a divine Trinity.
 

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INDEED! DR, this is exactly what we are saying...
Hi oldethennew,

I probably didn't do a very good job at structuring my question. :)

Are you speaking of Modalism or some other form of the trinity other than the accepted traditional understanding of the trinity?

You asked for us to not take offense, so I'm not.:) I'm just trying to understand your view because of the way you worded the trinity.

Also, don't you think that Jesus and Yeshua are the same? The Father is the head and not Yeshua.
 

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Lets not get lost in Bible translation foolishness.
Not wishing to argue or get lost - just giving you scripture - and it is important because the slightest 'deviation from it can lead to confusion.
I use the KJV which says 'the SON was in the bosom of the Father'. You use a different Bible ?
 

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in our hearts, when we envision 'The God Head', we see Yeshua as the supreme Head,
and Jesus and The Holy Spirit as His arms, totally attached in All ways into
His Heart and being..definitely Not 'separate'...just us, please don't take offence,
brothers and sisters...
If Jesus and the HS are 'attached to the supreme(Almighty) God' How can He send them to earth for our benefit ? would God not have to 'cut off both His arms ? do you realise the consequences of that even spiritually ? don't be offended, give it some thought.
 
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and neither can you escape the fact that a man and his son are 'human...but they are not each other or one and the same person.
Yes they are!
Why did Jesus not rebuke Peter when he called him Lord?
In a hurry, can't find the verse