BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH

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What do you mean by the bridegroom cometh... he came 2000 years ago didn't he?

Matthew 9:15 KJV
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
Jesus came several times after His resurrection. He was seen by many (Thomas).

He appeared to Saul/Paul on the road.

He came and destroyed Jerusalem in 70 ad. with clouds of Roman armies.

Every eye shall see Him, every Israelite will know that Jesus is the Messiah when Jerusalem is destroyed, as predicted by Jesus, absolute proof.

But these were not resurrection comings.

There is one more resurrection coming, and then this planet ends (7th/last trumpet, fire from heaven).
 

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No man knows the day not the hour.......... Behold he comes as a thief in the night
This was true when Jesus said it, but since Jesus received all power in heaven and earth, it is no longer true.

If He doesn't know the time now, then He only received some power.

Jesus gave us the Revelation that tells about the natural and wild branches until eternity.

So Jesus does know the day and hour now, and He told us in the Revelation. yes?

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This was true when Jesus said it, but since Jesus received all power in heaven and earth, it is no longer true.

If He doesn't know the time now, then He only received some power.

Jesus gave us the Revelation that tells about the natural and wild branches until eternity.

So Jesus does know the day and hour now, and He told us in the Revelation. yes?

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Friend you are telling us not to believe God's Word when he says No man knows the day or the hour of His return and that he will come as a thief in the night? God's Word tells us ......

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged." (Rom 3:4)

God's sheep know His Voice.
 
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PS. Jesus says no MAN not that he does not know....

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2Pet 3:9)
 

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[urge to copy and paste the scripture that OP keeps leaving out intensifying]
 
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This was true when Jesus said it, but since Jesus received all power in heaven and earth, it is no longer true.

If He doesn't know the time now, then He only received some power.

Jesus gave us the Revelation that tells about the natural and wild branches until eternity.

So Jesus does know the day and hour now, and He told us in the Revelation. yes?

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The sky can appear to turn orange but that does not mean it is still not Blue
 

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Revelation 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.


How can time stop in 70A.D.?
Why are there still islands and mountains?
etc
 
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Jesus will come for the Pentecost kingdom 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.



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This is based on 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24,


1. 1st resurrection.....Jesus and all the OT saints

The OT saints are seen with Jesus at the writing of the Revelation.

2. 2nd resurrection....Jesus comes for the Pentecost Kingdom.

The dead rise, we meet Him in the air.

3. The end....of the resurrections and this planet. Fire from heaven Rev 20, last judgement.

4. Death destroyed.....As shown in Rev 20:14-15.

5. The Kingdom is delivered up to the Father.......For the wedding.

6. Jesus submits to the Father to be all in all.

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Revelation is not one timeline.


The 7th trumpet (last), the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven in Rev 20, are all the same events.

(the 6th/7th seals show the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad, [Lk 23:28-30, 30, compared to Rev 6:12:17, 16])





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We are at the end of Revelation, not the beginning.

The events that are taking place in the Middle East are leading to the fall of Jerusalem to Iran (Kings of the East) and their allies (Russia, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, etc, it's a long list).

This is shown in Rev 20:2, as the dragon (Rome, Rev 12:3), deceiving Magog to surround Jerusalem. Also see Rev 16:12-16.


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As time goes by,

The situation will become clearer, if you have not realized it yet.

Jerusalem is going to fall to Iran.

3 1/2 days later will be the resurrection and the end of this planet.

When the resurrection takes place, if you are still here,

you will be killed by the fire from heaven.

There won't be any 2nd chances.

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What is a Pentecost kingdom? It looks like you have at least two raptures here. You said we're at the end of Revelantion now. Yet nobody saw the OT saints.
Personally? I think you've been smoking banana peels here. You're waaaay off
 

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This was true when Jesus said it, but since Jesus received all power in heaven and earth, it is no longer true.

If He doesn't know the time now, then He only received some power.

Jesus gave us the Revelation that tells about the natural and wild branches until eternity.

So Jesus does know the day and hour now, and He told us in the Revelation. yes?

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Not that I agree with all of the things you say(your position) but in fact I do agree with this statement in that Jesus did receive knowledge of something after he was slain,i.e. (Revelation 5-9-12) ...

But the thing about things like this is usually measured in the willingness to accept the position at the same time while baring in mind ,Matthew 24,mark 13,and Luke 19...


So it boils down to,,,"if he did not know it,(because he had not yet been slain) an then he was found worthy (because he was slain) then it would make sense that Matthew 24,mark 13,nor Luke could contain anything about this and why is because he had not yet been "slain". ,,,lol but just how deep will any of you look?,,,lol.
 

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Then jump forward to Acts 1:7,,,and ask yourself if the slain Jesus had opened the sealed book yet?,,,

Why is because Jesus says that it "the father had put in his own power"(Acts 1;7) so does the "son" yet have it's power at that time, or did he open the seals afterwards?...
 

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Then jump forward to Acts 1:7,,,and ask yourself if the slain Jesus had opened the sealed book yet?,,,

Why is because Jesus says that it "the father had put in his own power"(Acts 1;7) so does the "son" yet have it's power at that time, or did he open the seals afterwards?...
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Acts 1:7 [/SUP]And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
 

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[SUP]

Acts 1:7 [/SUP]And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
lol Acts 2:38 and then chapter 3 are quickly becoming narrowed down as to when,,,just when,,,"when did he open those 7 seals?",,,that's an important fact I think...
 

iamsoandso

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When,,,"when" did he open the seals and know? It is the decisive thing "to know",,,

The path is began and laid out to Acts 2-3 ,,,,go from Acts 2-3 up to Acts 9-10 and figure out "why".

It's the only way to see it with any type of understanding.

reason it through and see when "exactly he opened the seals and knew the things he did not know in the Olivet discourse".
 

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Friend you are telling us not to believe God's Word when he says No man knows the day or the hour of His return and that he will come as a thief in the night? God's Word tells us ......
Jesus received all power, so right from that moment He knew the day and hour.

He gave John the Revelation, right?

It shows what happens through time until eternity, yes?

The new heavens and the new earth, the last judgement, heaven and earth fly away.

But then, there is the last scene on the planet, the fire from heaven.

So we can see what happens, it's just a matter of putting the things together in the time line and symbolism.

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Actually, I am not setting a date for His coming, I am saying that the 2 witnesses are the people of Israel and they are restored to Jerusalem now, but will soon be killed by Iran and Gog/Magog.

That means that 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls, Jesus comes for the kingdom.

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But the passages in Matt 24, Lk 21, Mk 13, Lk 17, are about the dest of Jerusalem and the times of the gentiles Lk 21:20-24, 24.

Not everything was fulfilled by 70 ad, but alot was, the key is to know the difference.

Israel had a choice, they could have accepted Jesus as the Messiah and not been broken off.

It was prophecy that they would reject Him, but they still had a choice, so what would they choose?

That is why Jesus didn't know, because He didn't make Israel reject Him, it was their choice.

How long would Israel have been around if Israel would have accepted Jesus as the Messiah and king?

They would not have been scattered.


"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged." (Rom 3:4)

God's sheep know His Voice.
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Revelation 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
In the days of the 7th angel, v 7, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God is finished, (see His face),

The 7th trumpet is the last trumpet.

The 7th trumpet shows the resurrection (v 18, time of the dead, reward the saints),

And the coming of Jesus for the kingdom (v 15, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, the stone strikes the statue turning nations/empires into grain and chaff, harvest, Dan 2:35)

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1-7 seals, from the rejection of the kingdom by Israel 37 ad, until until the destruction of Jerusalem 70 ad (6th/7th seal).

1-7 trumpets, from the writing of the Revelation (post destruction of Jerusalem), until Jesus comes for the kingdom and this planet ends.

Both the seals and trumpets, together are the story of the little scroll, the story ends with the 7th trumpet.



Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

The 7 vials take place at the same time as the trumpets,

From the writing of the Rev. until the end of the planet.

The little scroll story (seals and trumpets) is about the natural branches and Rome, mainly,

The vials are mainly about the beast, the Roman iron dragon beast.

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The 7th vial is a picture of the end of this planet, just as the 7th trumpet and the fire from heaven are.

All of them show the same things,

Israel is restored to control of Jerusalem,

Gentile nations from across the Euphrates and others surround the city,

Then the stone strikes, that is, the fire from heaven, the 7th vial, and the 7th trumpet, all show the same event.



How can time stop in 70A.D.?
Why are there still islands and mountains?
etc

Time will stop when this material heaven and earth "fly away" at the last judgement in Rev 20:11.


You have assumed that I am saying that everything was fulfilled by 70 ad, no, many things were fulfilled, but not all things.
 

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What is a Pentecost kingdom?
The Pentecost kingdom is the kingdom that began on the day of Pentecost, also known as the church.

But the word church, has become so diluted and varied in it's definition, to make the meaning more specific, I use the name Pentecost kingdom to describe the church.

It has nothing to do with the groups that have Pentecost in their names.




It looks like you have at least two raptures here. You said we're at the end of Revelantion now. Yet nobody saw the OT saints.
Matt 27:53, Eph 4:8


Personally? I think you've been smoking banana peels here. You're waaaay off
Maybe at first, but after time, you may gain some insight, maybe see a different viewpoint.
 
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The Pentecost kingdom is the kingdom that began on the day of Pentecost, also known as the church.

But the word church, has become so diluted and varied in it's definition, to make the meaning more specific, I use the name Pentecost kingdom to describe the church.

It has nothing to do with the groups that have Pentecost in their names.






Matt 27:53, Eph 4:8




Maybe at first, but after time, you may gain some insight, maybe see a different viewpoint.
Dear friend. There is only one viewpoint to see. That's the Word..What you are saying does NOT line up with the Word so, no, ,my viewpoint will not change.
 

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Then jump forward to Acts 1:7,,,and ask yourself if the slain Jesus had opened the sealed book yet?,,,

Why is because Jesus says that it "the father had put in his own power"(Acts 1;7) so does the "son" yet have it's power at that time, or did he open the seals afterwards?...

The seals could only be opened AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

The angel said in Dan. 12:4-7, that the book could only be opened in the time of the end,

When was this?

When the power of the holy people is scattered, 70 ad., v 7.