Not By Works
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The works were the result of the FAITH he already had...not the source of the faith and that is exactly what you see to be oblivious to........NO ONE is saved BY works......they are saved by FAITH.....maybe one day you will lose the baggage of your false religion and see before you make the plenteous in number group that blends faith and works as the means of instead of works being the result of faith
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Wow FranC, didn't realise your reading comprehension was so impaired.
I didn't ask you to play God. Just to recognize that God looks at people's heart and that there is a difference between Jacob and Esau, but I realize it may be too hard for you to understand.
So I will answer your "simple question"
Yes God requires we obey Him and do good works.
However those works do not give us eternal life or the ability to call Him Abba father.
If we do it out of fear, we are slaves.
If we do it to earn a reward, we are bond servants.
If we do it because love and the Holy spirit lead us and allows us to call God Abba, father...then we are heirs of eternal life with Jesus.
I didn't ask you to play God. Just to recognize that God looks at people's heart and that there is a difference between Jacob and Esau, but I realize it may be too hard for you to understand.
So I will answer your "simple question"
Yes God requires we obey Him and do good works.
However those works do not give us eternal life or the ability to call Him Abba father.
If we do it out of fear, we are slaves.
If we do it to earn a reward, we are bond servants.
If we do it because love and the Holy spirit lead us and allows us to call God Abba, father...then we are heirs of eternal life with Jesus.
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A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)
Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”
But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.
God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)
Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”
But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.
God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)
You're cute dcon.
Too bad you're so mean and lacking of love.
Aren't we supposed to love each other?
Instead you call those who know the truth and refuse to agree with you cake takers and other derogatory names.
This is not very loving of you.
Know what 's interesting?
The cake takers and law followers are really nice persons and demonstrate the love of God...
Even when under attack by you.
Im not as nice.
Too bad you're so mean and lacking of love.
Aren't we supposed to love each other?
Instead you call those who know the truth and refuse to agree with you cake takers and other derogatory names.
This is not very loving of you.
Know what 's interesting?
The cake takers and law followers are really nice persons and demonstrate the love of God...
Even when under attack by you.
Im not as nice.
HAHAHA like you imply blindness, or easy gracers etc.....just because I am sharp in my response does not mean I don't care or love you.....was Jesus loving all when he called them the blind leaders of the blind or white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead me....or John when he called people a generation of vipers....I genuinely do like you and the only reason I have not blocked you is because I do.....so.....at the end of the day we disagree on the means of salvation and or the endurance of salvation........so...I have never said nor implied that we do nothing AFTER salvation....just that the DOING has no bearing on getting or keeping salvation....
No undergrace.
Because Jesus taught it does not make Him only a good teacher or man.
The fact that He resurrected proves He is the savior and our Lord.
He was also a Rabbi. He was called Rabbi. A rabbi is a teacher.
Jesus was also a priest, a prophet and a king.
Did you know this?
All you'll learn here is how to call people names.
Hang out with a crowd that could teach you things you may not know.
We all have a lot to learn!
Because Jesus taught it does not make Him only a good teacher or man.
The fact that He resurrected proves He is the savior and our Lord.
He was also a Rabbi. He was called Rabbi. A rabbi is a teacher.
Jesus was also a priest, a prophet and a king.
Did you know this?
All you'll learn here is how to call people names.
Hang out with a crowd that could teach you things you may not know.
We all have a lot to learn!
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Where you there helping to carry the cross, where you there suffering the excruciating pain of execution on the cross with Him, were you there when He bore all of our sins of every person past, present and future, did you help Him be resurrected from the dead?
Exactly which part do we have to do?
Inquiring minds want to know
Exactly which part do we have to do?
Inquiring minds want to know
Fran accept the olive branch.
DC try to understand that over this side of the pond certain phrases and words can upset us sensitive souls.
I would say for all of us concerning this thread that actually we won't agree, the issue is not agreeing but it's how to disagree given the diversity of culture.
As long as it does not detract from the fact Jesus is who says he is, and we have placed genuine faith in him.
DC try to understand that over this side of the pond certain phrases and words can upset us sensitive souls.
I would say for all of us concerning this thread that actually we won't agree, the issue is not agreeing but it's how to disagree given the diversity of culture.
As long as it does not detract from the fact Jesus is who says he is, and we have placed genuine faith in him.
Gb will "take this one".Why?
You cant handle it?
Or maybe youre working in groups?
And why dont you address me, instead of talking ABOUT me?
Undergrace just admitted to what YOU incorrect encourage...
He said we DO NOT have to do good works either for salvation or to keep salvation.
If you dont correct him, it means you agree with him.
Well?
You cant handle it?
Or maybe youre working in groups?
And why dont you address me, instead of talking ABOUT me?
Undergrace just admitted to what YOU incorrect encourage...
He said we DO NOT have to do good works either for salvation or to keep salvation.
If you dont correct him, it means you agree with him.
Well?
