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Grandpa

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wait, God gave Moses Law that wasn't God's Law?? :confused:

the Law is spiritual, and good. it's God's Law. all of it.

not to be confused with the Gospel. :)
Thats the problem with trying to separate "Moses" law from "Gods" law.

Its a pretty sneaky way to get Christians who don't know any better to go back to working at the law.

It must be a pretty big problem since Paul devotes a lot of scripture to it.
 
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The true law of God is Christ Himself. ( law means principle, instruction )
 

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And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. Revelation 22:18-21

Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Isaiah 1:13


Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Isaiah 58:13
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. Isaiah 66:23
 

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Thats the problem with trying to separate "Moses" law from "Gods" law.

Its a pretty sneaky way to get Christians who don't know any better to go back to working at the law.

It must be a pretty big problem since Paul devotes a lot of scripture to it.
i guess it must be a pretty big problem considering this is page 41 of this thread, too. lol
 

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[SUP]6 [/SUP]Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth
the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;Isaiah 56:6

forgive the mess ups but its in the book read it for yourselves.


For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Malachi 3:6
 

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satan knows his time is short and he is wroth with Gods people and doesn't want us keeping the commandments.

Revelation 22:11, He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
 

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The true law of God is Christ Himself. ( law means principle, instruction )

in Christ all the 'pleroma' of the Deity dwells in bodily form.(i'm stuck on that word. lol)

the Lord Jesus certainly showed us what Righteousness looks like (just as the Law does).
yet the Law can only demand. Christ also showed us, and gave us the Gospel.
and the Gospel supplies what the Law demands.
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The difference between Moses's law and Jesus law is this, love. God never made a mistake when giving the 10 commandments to Moses ,to give the Isrealites. But when Jesus came and gave himself as a sacrifice, it was out of law. In Romans ,it states to keep the law, BUT in love. What does that mean? That you want to do it, not try to force yourself and condemn other people when they cannot keep the law themselves. The only way to get there, is by Jesus. Allowing him to renew our minds and hearts. I remember ,at work, getting yelled at by this lady, she jumped to conclusions, said that I did this to her with other girls. Etc. She was freaking out.. like pmssing. And not once did I sin. I can say that because God showed me something. During the whole time, I did not have any negative thoughts towards her, I apologized and said that I was sorry that she felt that way and that it wasn't true. And when she left I said to have a good day. How did I know I did not sin at all in that time. Was because I never did anything like that in my life. It was pure. And I was like. Wow, this is how it feels to be in love and not sin. It came naturally. I was spending so much time in God's Word, prayer, conversation about him with anyone and everyone. Talk about dying to ourselves daily. But now, I have to force myself to try and keep the law. The difference, during that time, I was focused on my relationship with Jesus ,which brought me to obeying his laws without me even trying to. It's simple. God's wants a relationship. Do you want a partner that wants to be all they can be, true to you, faults and all, or someone e who try to please you by walking on egg shells and not being truly open with you? That's how it is for us. When we focus more on our relationship with Christ, than obsessing with following his Laws, we actually become more like Christ ... In love.. it's a beautiful thing. Remember this verse... Matthew 7:22-23.
 

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satan is the filthy and unjust, Yeshua is Holy and righteous. Choose today who you will serve.
 

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The difference between Moses's law and Jesus law is this, love. God never made a mistake when giving the 10 commandments to Moses ,to give the Isrealites. But when Jesus came and gave himself as a sacrifice, it was out of law. In Romans ,it states to keep the law, BUT in love. What does that mean? That you want to do it, not try to force yourself and condemn other people when they cannot keep the law themselves. The only way to get there, is by Jesus. Allowing him to renew our minds and hearts. I remember ,at work, getting yelled at by this lady, she jumped to conclusions, said that I did this to her with other girls. Etc. She was freaking out.. like pmssing. And not once did I sin. I can say that because God showed me something. During the whole time, I did not have any negative thoughts towards her, I apologized and said that I was sorry that she felt that way and that it wasn't true. And when she left I said to have a good day. How did I know I did not sin at all in that time. Was because I never did anything like that in my life. It was pure. And I was like. Wow, this is how it feels to be in love and not sin. It came naturally. I was spending so much time in God's Word, prayer, conversation about him with anyone and everyone. Talk about dying to ourselves daily. But now, I have to force myself to try and keep the law. The difference, during that time, I was focused on my relationship with Jesus ,which brought me to obeying his laws without me even trying to. It's simple. God's wants a relationship. Do you want a partner that wants to be all they can be, true to you, faults and all, or someone e who try to please you by walking on egg shells and not being truly open with you? That's how it is for us. When we focus more on our relationship with Christ, than obsessing with following his Laws, we actually become more like Christ ... In love.. it's a beautiful thing. Remember this verse... Matthew 7:22-23.
Matthew 22:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
 

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Ban me again aka brother don. i was ban months ago mod saying it was because of new age heresy. Some one had a thread about native americans and did they know Yeshua. i searched google and posted something i found, not even knowing that it was new age. This site had been trying to find something to ban me for for a long time, and was looking for a reason. It would have been better for mod to come to me if they was a christian, and told me what they thought. well i have been flying under radar for a few months and now coming out. Forgive me all that know and want to serve the Almighty, i just want to share our Lord Yeshua with the world, all of His truth. Come quickly Lord. Hope the best for all of the Almighty Creator's people may He bless you all.
 
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Yahn it is 4 am,me reading most of this thread,glad I did,reminds me why I love serving God,and how thankful I am to the holy spirit to help me to answer such tough questions,so this one is about "The Sabbath" first off there are two "Sabbaths" biblically,the seventh day of the week,and the 50th year,the year long "Sabbath" both referring to resting from work such as tilling the ground etc,on a certain day or year,just felt I'd point that out since I didn't see it mentioned,though "The Sabbath" in question here is the seventh day of the week,rightfully so,being the day God rested,as well as that it was a gift,to all,though yes enforced as a statute by God to obey in the time of Moses which not following resulted in death,yes even if a person were to be picking up sticks on the sabbath,and though today the result is not death from not following to "remember it and keep it holy" it is written"jesus did not come to abolish the law,but to Fulfill it,as in,make true all the predictions of God's prophets,and completing the list of all commandments and statutes and sayings,to be remembered and followed,yet many argue over trivial things such as this,"The Day" of the Sabbath,as many have pointed out,jesus said"the sabbath was made for man,not man for the sabbath" as in,The Sabbath is A gift from God to Man,not simply a statute to follow but rather,a resting time given out of love and understanding,for God too rested,after his works,so he had compassion on us and gave us it,but did you ever think that God was so strict about The Sabbath because he didn't want us to over exhaust ourselves,because if you read in the books of Moses the people of Israel would have worked without rest had God not made "The Sabbath",and the important question here should not be what mere "Day" "The Sabbath" is but rather,which seventh day of your week can you keep holy,for that is "Your Sabbath Day" each week,so long as you remember it and keep it holy as best you can,true there are none good nor perfect no not one,but Jesus's grace is sufficient for you,so simply do what you can for God,and also as pertaining to sacrifices,wine,and not eating certain meats,"jesus died for us and we whom accept him as savior,have no need to sacrifice animals,besides it is written"Behold,to obey is better than sacrifice,and to hearken than the fat of rams."as in if you are sacrificing to try to please God,it is far better to "obey"God and Do for God correctly,not decide well this feels right so it is right,seek out God first,then read the bible alongside the holy spirit,so you "learn" and "know" what is more "important" to God,as for wine or any willy nilly drinking to "supposedly" appreciate Jesus,nowhere in the bible is it written that Jesus approves of drunkards nor that do so is some grand thing,yes in Jesus's passover with his disciples he indeed had them break bread and drink wine in representation of Jesus's body and blood that was to be later broken and shed for "ALL" ,but he never said for anyone to become drunkards through wine or the like in remembrance of him,and lastly,it is written concerning meats as well as people in acts"what the lord has cleansed,thou callest that not common" so please understand that God reguarding all these matters,wishes for "us" his children to understand that he expects us to learn "truth" not "a truth" suppose either saturday or sunday were the only days God condoned for "rest" what then? should it be understood that we care more for the "truth" of a mere day than God whom established " a day" out of thousands upon thousands of days for our sakes not for mere "ceremony" God forbid,for when we lose ourselves to "anger" and "riddles" We turn from walking with God,to walking against God no matter the "petty" result,which is far more to be feared and held in importance than a mere day for only God can destroy both "Body" and "Soul" so before you take up arms,for "quote" God be sure the holy spirit is leading you to do so,so you actually serve God faithfully and honestly,because wisdom is what you make it,and the tongue is venomous and unruly,so exercise patience and silence "before" you speak so you can actually be "guided" by God and not yourself,for in such a manner are we as blind leading the blind,thus shall we surely fall into the ditch together,when we act on "anger" alongside "tradition" not "Truth,leaving ourselves vulnerable to be ensnared and confounded by the devil,So "Know" what is of use and importance to God,then you can "learn" what God "truly" seeks you to do for him,not argue over who's way is better,for"as for God's way,his way is perfect"!
I'll try this again...
 
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I am a new person here at the forum. What I have noticed is that sometimes certain people resort to wanting to judge others standing with God. These same people throw around accusations about others they do not know anything about. I don't think Jesus would want us to do this and it certainly is not showing that someone has the love of God and love towards our neighbor.

If you have an opinion it should be fair to state your case from God's Word without trying to attack someone else. People only resort to this if they cannot attack the message. Friends, doesn't God's Word say...

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear." (1Peter 3:15). Late my time so will have to say Good night my end but will be back latter

God bless you all
 
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I am a new person here at the forum. What I have noticed is that sometimes certain people resort to wanting to judge others standing with God. These same people throw around accusations about others they do not know anything about. I don't think Jesus would want us to do this and it certainly is not showing that someone has the love of God and love towards our neighbor.

If you have an opinion it should be fair to state your case from God's Word without trying to attack someone else. People only resort to this if they cannot attack the message. Friends, doesn't God's Word say...

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear." (1Peter 3:15). Late my time so will have to say Good night my end but will be back latter

God bless you all
Sure, but is it also equally right and biblical to judge doctrine just as Jesus, Paul, Elijah, John etc.....I think many here take a judgment call on doctrine as a personal attack.....the problem with words on a page <---motive, intent and attitude cannot be fully seen and or judged unless it is obvious....and it snowballs.....

for example....one who believes in salvation by grace dia faith are called greasy gracers, or easy believism or do nothings.....and then when one responds to that..Katie bar the door....we are calling names or accusers or attacking one's salvation etc.....

At the end of the day there is one central truth concerning everything to be found in the word.....it is not unbiblical to judge one's doctrine just as both you and I do every time we disagree with someone and post what we believe.....

just saying mate and God's blessings on you as well.......
 
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Sure, but is it also equally right and biblical to judge doctrine just as Jesus, Paul, Elijah, John etc.....I think many here take a judgment call on doctrine as a personal attack.....the problem with words on a page <---motive, intent and attitude cannot be fully seen and or judged unless it is obvious....and it snowballs.....

for example....one who believes in salvation by grace dia faith are called greasy gracers, or easy believism or do nothings.....and then when one responds to that..Katie bar the door....we are calling names or accusers or attacking one's salvation etc.....

At the end of the day there is one central truth concerning everything to be found in the word.....it is not unbiblical to judge one's doctrine just as both you and I do every time we disagree with someone and post what we believe.....

just saying mate and God's blessings on you as well.......
Hi DCON,

I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is a right way and a wrong way to share God's Word. For example, are you sharing God's Word in the spirit of Love? If you do not believe in someones doctrine and believe they are going down the wrong path how are you in the spirit of Love trying to help that person? My main point is the bible verse at the end.

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear." (1Peter 3:15). Be careful that someone is not lost by what you say and pray before you write that God may use you to help someone. Well I said I was going to go to bed earlier and got distracted really going now.

God bless you
 
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I am a new person here at the forum. What I have noticed is that sometimes certain people resort to wanting to judge others standing with God. These same people throw around accusations about others they do not know anything about. I don't think Jesus would want us to do this and it certainly is not showing that someone has the love of God and love towards our neighbor.

If you have an opinion it should be fair to state your case from God's Word without trying to attack someone else. People only resort to this if they cannot attack the message. Friends, doesn't God's Word say...

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear." (1Peter 3:15). Late my time so will have to say Good night my end but will be back latter

God bless you all


i think there are two sides to what you bring up; it is certainly possible for a person to talk about the validity and implications of statements others make about faith, about interpretation of the scripture, and about theology & belief, without criticism of those things amounting to personal attacks. it is also easy to forget that we are talking about ideas and intangible concepts, not about each other, and to slip into "judging" one another and directly criticizing each others character and spiritual standing.
but it is also very easy for a person whose statements, interpretations & beliefs are being criticized to jump to the conclusion that because the statements they make are being sharply criticized, that this amounts to they, themselves being directly criticized and 'attacked' -- and for that to not at all be the case.

for example,
suppose i post somewhere, "i believe concept A"
and someone replies, "concept A if we think about its full implications leads to concept B, which is evil!"
now, i might read that and think, "that person is calling me evil!" - when reality is that that person is calling the implications of concept A to be evil, not me. my mistake is identifying my person with the concept i said i believe.
likewise a person could say, "concept A leads by implication to concept B which is evil! so you are evil if you keep holding on to concept A!"
are they judging me? a lot of people would certainly read it that way.
but both parties need to remember that it's not the person, but the concept, that's being discussed.

i could just as easily mistake criticism of an interpretation of scripture as criticism of myself ((because i identify with that interpretation)) as a person who is making critical analysis of those interpretations could easily mistake me for the statements.

 
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Hi DCON,

I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is a right way and a wrong way to share God's Word. For example, are you sharing God's Word in the spirit of Love? If you do not believe in someones doctrine and believe they are going down the wrong path how are you in the spirit of Love trying to help that person? My main point is the bible verse at the end.

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear." (1Peter 3:15). Be careful that someone is not lost by what you say and pray before you write that God may use you to help someone. Well I said I was going to go to bed earlier and got distracted really going now.

God bless you

I agree and will say....LOVE and truth go hand in hand....?? Was Jesus loving the Pharisees when he raked them over the coals and called them the blind leaders of the blind or white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men?

Was John loving the Pharisees/people when he called them a generation of vipers and demanded repentance?

Were the men who were preaching out of pretense and an attempt to make Paul's life more miserable preaching out of love?

Obviously LOVE should be our motive and many times things said with heat or a sharp edge are spoken out of love (cases in point above JESUS and JOHN)

At the end of the day the power and ability to shine through is in the message and not the messenger.........
 
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i think there are two sides to what you bring up; it is certainly possible for a person to talk about the validity and implications of statements others make about faith, about interpretation of the scripture, and about theology & belief, without criticism of those things amounting to personal attacks. it is also easy to forget that we are talking about ideas and intangible concepts, not about each other, and to slip into "judging" one another and directly criticizing each others character and spiritual standing.
but it is also very easy for a person whose statements, interpretations & beliefs are being criticized to jump to the conclusion that because the statements they make are being sharply criticized, that this amounts to they, themselves being directly criticized and 'attacked' -- and for that to not at all be the case.

for example,
suppose i post somewhere, "i believe concept A"
and someone replies, "concept A if we think about its full implications leads to concept B, which is evil!"
now, i might read that and think, "that person is calling me evil!" - when reality is that that person is calling the implications of concept A to be evil, not me. my mistake is identifying my person with the concept i said i believe.
likewise a person could say, "concept A leads by implication to concept B which is evil! so you are evil if you keep holding on to concept A!"
are they judging me? a lot of people would certainly read it that way.
but both parties need to remember that it's not the person, but the concept, that's being discussed.

i could just as easily mistake criticism of an interpretation of scripture as criticism of myself ((because i identify with that interpretation)) as a person who is making critical analysis of those interpretations could easily mistake me for the statements.

Exactly.........!
 

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what happens if we take the 'kid-gloves' approach to the extreme, is that we become too afraid to offend someone's delicate sensibilities to engage in critical thinking and argumentation about all these subjects. we start to accept heresies, bad exegesis, poor understanding and outright falsehood for the sake of "not giving offense" and "accepting one another without judgement"

this happens when we don't make any distinction between people and the concepts & beliefs that float about in people's heads.
this is how the world thinks; this is the belief system of the spirit of this age.

to the world, there is no truth -- there is no absolute morality. there is moral relevatism, and relative truth -- the world emphasizes each individual as it denigrates absolute truth and morality. the world says, each person arrives at their own truth and their own morality, and all are equally valid. the world gives up truth and justice and ethics for the sake of universal acceptance and universal worth, because it does not separate what one thinks and believes from who one is.

does that make sense?

if we sacrifice criticism for the sake of preserving one another's "feelings" then we sacrifice truth for the sake of preserving individual agency.

but people can be ((and most of us most often are)) wrong.
rejecting what people think or say doesn't have to equate to rejecting the person.
we need to stop thinking about it that way, from both ends of discussion.
 

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"These are the things which you should do: speak the truth to one another; judge with truth and judgment for peace in your gates. Also let none of you devise evil in your heart against another, and do not love perjury; for all these are what I hate,"
declares the LORD.

(Zechariah 8:16-17)

kind of summing up :)
speak the truth, judge with truth - don't refrain from doing so - without devising evil against one another, without loving false testimony