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I didnt say kick her out like boom. I meant to say that (again in my opinion) generally people shouldnt have to put up with other religious practices in a christian home. Doesnt mean she has to stay away, but for her ''ritual practices'' like ramadan, I would be like ''sorry but not here".
Im just saying my opinion. I am not saying everyone has to agree with me.
You can respect that another faith without tolerating (or accepting) their practices.
I wouldnt avoid pork, if I want pork chops, I would make em and if she doesnt want to eat them she can eat something else. But i wouldnt completely bend my schedule.
No matter if its a muslim or any other religion.
Im just saying my opinion. I am not saying everyone has to agree with me.
You can respect that another faith without tolerating (or accepting) their practices.
I wouldnt avoid pork, if I want pork chops, I would make em and if she doesnt want to eat them she can eat something else. But i wouldnt completely bend my schedule.
No matter if its a muslim or any other religion.
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God's book of life has those names in, I don't have access to read it.
Why is it always the women who think like this? The same ones who end up getting raped and found in a ditch.
Hey guess what, idolaters don't go to heaven. And God has absolutely no problem with dead children.
Deuteronomy 3:6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.
Why is it always the women who think like this? The same ones who end up getting raped and found in a ditch.
Hey guess what, idolaters don't go to heaven. And God has absolutely no problem with dead children.
Deuteronomy 3:6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.
.................europe will never learn..............
hahahaa yes i saw this in the news too some people are crazy standing with signs welcoming an invasion and a dangeorus one at that to their countries .................
europe will never learn..............
.................europe will never learn..............
Well the truth is it is nothing to do with voting, sorry Zen.
Enoch Powell had 75% support when he warned against permissive integration. He was turned into a pariah by the political establishment - the elites.
Even until recently 70% of Britons have long wanted out of Europe, and its permissive uncontrolled immigration policies.
The simple fact is that Europe is being destroyed by uncontrolled immigration whether we vote for it or against it.
Enoch Powell had 75% support when he warned against permissive integration. He was turned into a pariah by the political establishment - the elites.
Even until recently 70% of Britons have long wanted out of Europe, and its permissive uncontrolled immigration policies.
The simple fact is that Europe is being destroyed by uncontrolled immigration whether we vote for it or against it.
In response to a few posts in no particular order…..
First, as other’s mention, Jesus is most definitely mentioned in the Qur’an, but obviously under the Arabic version of his name; Isa. Furthermore, it’s curious to note that Mary, the mother of Jesus, is referenced more in the Qur’an than she is in the Bible.
Allah is the same word as the Hebrew El/Eloah, which comes from a more common Semitic ‘il. All of these forms simply mean ‘god’. It’s the same root word in every Semitic language. The Hebrew tetragrammaton (YHWH) is supposedly a personal name, not a generic name. You can’t assume just because the reference is different, it’s a completely different deity.
Muslims worship the same God of Abraham, Noah, and Adam. The Arabs became a separate people from the Jews, but a separate people does not automatically equate to a different deity. There are three Abrahamic religions; not two.
All three religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) have a very different understanding of ‘God’ (though there is quite a bit of overlap between all three) and a very different methodology for worshiping, but they are all worshiping the same deity; the God of Abraham, Noah and Adam.
Some will also state that the Christian God (as evidenced in the NT) is a triune God, whilst in Islam there is only a unitarian God. However, what most seem to conveniently leave out is that Judaism, like Islam, does not acknowledge a triune God either. Do Jews therefore worship a different deity than Christians?
Still others like to point out the references to violence in the Qur’an, but somehow fail to notice that there is actually more violence depicted in the OT of the Bible than in the entire Qur’an.
Again, all three religions have a very different understanding of God – just because it’s a totally different understanding than yours does not mean a different deity.
That said, there is a school of thought that puts forth the idea that the God of the OT is not the same as the NT – in the OT, the Jews were a collective group of tribes that were in the process of founding a nation. They required a God of war; one who would lead them to accomplish the founding of their nation; a God to be feared by their enemies. The Jews chose a deity from the Semitic pantheon (YHWH) and (in theory anyway) followed just this deity as at this time, they were also in the process of becoming a monotheistic culture.
By the time we get to the NT, we see a completely different God – there was no longer a need for a war God, we now see a more pastoral/agricultural God; the concept of a “(good) shepherd”, to quote a phrase, “a more kinder, gentler” God.
Somewhere between the OT and the NT, it seems the Jewish nation, once founded and established, abandoned the war God and chose a new ‘national deity’; one that was more suited to an agricultural/pastoral society.
There is, of course, the concept of “progressive revelation”, but it seems just a sort of a very convenient way to explain an obvious discrepancy
If this view were indeed true, i.e. that somewhere between the OT and NT, the Jews switched national deities, then it could definitely be argued that Jews and Christians do indeed worship a different God than that of Islam, since Islam still worships the war God of the OT while Jews, and subsequently Christians, worship the God of NT which is a different deity.
Still other schools of thought note that ‘El’ was the chief god of the Caananite pantheon, whereas YHWH was a war god associated with other war and storm gods. YHWH it seems was not part of the original Caananite pantheon but was introduced from elsewhere. Over time, both seem to have morphed into a single deity with characteristics of both.
Again, with this view, it could be reasonably argued that the God of Islam is represented solely by the war God, YHWH, while the Jewish and Christian God is a blend of both YHWH and El; thus, the two are not really one in the same.
Obviously for most, the above is rather radical and not a viable option, but it does lend support to the ‘different deity’ theory.
As far as eating what you want in your own home (i.e. pork and other non-halal meat) – I ‘get it’, but would hope that common courtesy would prevail and one would respect the beliefs and traditions of another. If the person were a Jew instead of a Muslim who wished to practice keeping kosher, would you do the same thing?
I am not Muslim, and I certainly recognize that Islam has its fanatics, just as, frankly, Christianity and other religions have theirs. Perhaps, however, if we started to recognize and acknowledge the similarities between these two faiths, we might have much less Islamophobia in our world. You can’t judge an entire religion on the behavior of one group of extremist fanatics.
I get where the OP is coming from – it seems like a difficult decision; each wishes to keep to their faith traditions as they understand them, but it would seem that a bit of mutual respect for each other’s traditions needs to prevail here. It’s not indicated whether she is praying in Arabic or not, but if she is, and it's a rote type prayer (and not more a personal prayer) perhaps you could start by asking her what she is saying so as to gain a bit of understanding of what a typical Muslim prayer consists of.
First, as other’s mention, Jesus is most definitely mentioned in the Qur’an, but obviously under the Arabic version of his name; Isa. Furthermore, it’s curious to note that Mary, the mother of Jesus, is referenced more in the Qur’an than she is in the Bible.
Allah is the same word as the Hebrew El/Eloah, which comes from a more common Semitic ‘il. All of these forms simply mean ‘god’. It’s the same root word in every Semitic language. The Hebrew tetragrammaton (YHWH) is supposedly a personal name, not a generic name. You can’t assume just because the reference is different, it’s a completely different deity.
Muslims worship the same God of Abraham, Noah, and Adam. The Arabs became a separate people from the Jews, but a separate people does not automatically equate to a different deity. There are three Abrahamic religions; not two.
All three religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) have a very different understanding of ‘God’ (though there is quite a bit of overlap between all three) and a very different methodology for worshiping, but they are all worshiping the same deity; the God of Abraham, Noah and Adam.
Some will also state that the Christian God (as evidenced in the NT) is a triune God, whilst in Islam there is only a unitarian God. However, what most seem to conveniently leave out is that Judaism, like Islam, does not acknowledge a triune God either. Do Jews therefore worship a different deity than Christians?
Still others like to point out the references to violence in the Qur’an, but somehow fail to notice that there is actually more violence depicted in the OT of the Bible than in the entire Qur’an.
Again, all three religions have a very different understanding of God – just because it’s a totally different understanding than yours does not mean a different deity.
That said, there is a school of thought that puts forth the idea that the God of the OT is not the same as the NT – in the OT, the Jews were a collective group of tribes that were in the process of founding a nation. They required a God of war; one who would lead them to accomplish the founding of their nation; a God to be feared by their enemies. The Jews chose a deity from the Semitic pantheon (YHWH) and (in theory anyway) followed just this deity as at this time, they were also in the process of becoming a monotheistic culture.
By the time we get to the NT, we see a completely different God – there was no longer a need for a war God, we now see a more pastoral/agricultural God; the concept of a “(good) shepherd”, to quote a phrase, “a more kinder, gentler” God.
Somewhere between the OT and the NT, it seems the Jewish nation, once founded and established, abandoned the war God and chose a new ‘national deity’; one that was more suited to an agricultural/pastoral society.
There is, of course, the concept of “progressive revelation”, but it seems just a sort of a very convenient way to explain an obvious discrepancy
If this view were indeed true, i.e. that somewhere between the OT and NT, the Jews switched national deities, then it could definitely be argued that Jews and Christians do indeed worship a different God than that of Islam, since Islam still worships the war God of the OT while Jews, and subsequently Christians, worship the God of NT which is a different deity.
Still other schools of thought note that ‘El’ was the chief god of the Caananite pantheon, whereas YHWH was a war god associated with other war and storm gods. YHWH it seems was not part of the original Caananite pantheon but was introduced from elsewhere. Over time, both seem to have morphed into a single deity with characteristics of both.
Again, with this view, it could be reasonably argued that the God of Islam is represented solely by the war God, YHWH, while the Jewish and Christian God is a blend of both YHWH and El; thus, the two are not really one in the same.
Obviously for most, the above is rather radical and not a viable option, but it does lend support to the ‘different deity’ theory.
As far as eating what you want in your own home (i.e. pork and other non-halal meat) – I ‘get it’, but would hope that common courtesy would prevail and one would respect the beliefs and traditions of another. If the person were a Jew instead of a Muslim who wished to practice keeping kosher, would you do the same thing?
I am not Muslim, and I certainly recognize that Islam has its fanatics, just as, frankly, Christianity and other religions have theirs. Perhaps, however, if we started to recognize and acknowledge the similarities between these two faiths, we might have much less Islamophobia in our world. You can’t judge an entire religion on the behavior of one group of extremist fanatics.
I get where the OP is coming from – it seems like a difficult decision; each wishes to keep to their faith traditions as they understand them, but it would seem that a bit of mutual respect for each other’s traditions needs to prevail here. It’s not indicated whether she is praying in Arabic or not, but if she is, and it's a rote type prayer (and not more a personal prayer) perhaps you could start by asking her what she is saying so as to gain a bit of understanding of what a typical Muslim prayer consists of.
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She's not a refugee! She's a foster kid!
And God does have problems with your stony heart.
Ez. 36:26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
2 Cor. 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.
Rom. 1: 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
Stop being so cold-hearted. This is not God's way.
And God does have problems with your stony heart.
Ez. 36:26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
2 Cor. 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.
Rom. 1: 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
Stop being so cold-hearted. This is not God's way.
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And completely bending your schedule is simply not having pork chops one week per month? It's one week a month. (I haven't eaten pork or beef is 15 years. Don't see it as an issue. lol)
What if your foster kids were Jewish? Pork chops still on the table?
She already invite the teen into her home. That's a done deal, and done after seriously praying, because she didn't know if she should or shouldn't. Outside of that, I'm assuming she comes complete with clothes, so it's not like she has to go buy her the burqas. She is a teenager and it is Ramadan, so, yay! She's not eating her out of house and home all day. Bonus points, because, let's face it. You teens eat -- a lot. Part of that growing thing y'all do.
That leaves one issue -- prayer. If your foster child were Jewish, would you stop her from praying too? What if she prays in Hebrew? What if a menorah are required? Sure, lots of Christians say Jews pray to the same God, but do they really? They don't trust that the Messiah already came. They don't think Jesus is God. And, frankly, most of the Jews I've known are atheists.
What if your foster child was an atheist? Is this really how you think, or is it the "Muslims are horrible" garbage that is a stumbling block for so many Christians? Muslims are no worse, and no better, than anyone else. We all need to be saved. And one way to make sure someone doesn't want to be saved? Tell that person you will NOT accept them for who they are at that moment.
Look at the supposed adults answering on this thread. Do you really want to be that stone-hearted when you reach their age? Please. I beg of you -- let God soften your heart, so you don't become them.
What if your foster kids were Jewish? Pork chops still on the table?
She already invite the teen into her home. That's a done deal, and done after seriously praying, because she didn't know if she should or shouldn't. Outside of that, I'm assuming she comes complete with clothes, so it's not like she has to go buy her the burqas. She is a teenager and it is Ramadan, so, yay! She's not eating her out of house and home all day. Bonus points, because, let's face it. You teens eat -- a lot. Part of that growing thing y'all do.
That leaves one issue -- prayer. If your foster child were Jewish, would you stop her from praying too? What if she prays in Hebrew? What if a menorah are required? Sure, lots of Christians say Jews pray to the same God, but do they really? They don't trust that the Messiah already came. They don't think Jesus is God. And, frankly, most of the Jews I've known are atheists.
What if your foster child was an atheist? Is this really how you think, or is it the "Muslims are horrible" garbage that is a stumbling block for so many Christians? Muslims are no worse, and no better, than anyone else. We all need to be saved. And one way to make sure someone doesn't want to be saved? Tell that person you will NOT accept them for who they are at that moment.
Look at the supposed adults answering on this thread. Do you really want to be that stone-hearted when you reach their age? Please. I beg of you -- let God soften your heart, so you don't become them.
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I admire you for taking on such a huge responsibility. You're planting seeds right now, even though it may not seem like it. I don't guess you can stop her from praying/practicing, as you said.
Just a thought, but when I was growing up, my parents had a nightly devotion. Every night, no exception (didn't matter who was there), we would all gather together, Daddy would read from the Bible, read the list of missionaries who had birthdays that day, then while he prayed, we would all pray silently. That was one of our house rules. Is that something that's feasible in your household, if it isn't practiced already? If she refuses to participate, could you at least gather close enough where she would hear? Sling those seeds so that she'll have to duck to miss it!
Just a thought, but when I was growing up, my parents had a nightly devotion. Every night, no exception (didn't matter who was there), we would all gather together, Daddy would read from the Bible, read the list of missionaries who had birthdays that day, then while he prayed, we would all pray silently. That was one of our house rules. Is that something that's feasible in your household, if it isn't practiced already? If she refuses to participate, could you at least gather close enough where she would hear? Sling those seeds so that she'll have to duck to miss it!
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And completely bending your schedule is simply not having pork chops one week per month? It's one week a month. (I haven't eaten pork or beef is 15 years. Don't see it as an issue. lol)
What if your foster kids were Jewish? Pork chops still on the table?
She already invite the teen into her home. That's a done deal, and done after seriously praying, because she didn't know if she should or shouldn't. Outside of that, I'm assuming she comes complete with clothes, so it's not like she has to go buy her the burqas. She is a teenager and it is Ramadan, so, yay! She's not eating her out of house and home all day. Bonus points, because, let's face it. You teens eat -- a lot. Part of that growing thing y'all do.
That leaves one issue -- prayer. If your foster child were Jewish, would you stop her from praying too? What if she prays in Hebrew? What if a menorah are required? Sure, lots of Christians say Jews pray to the same God, but do they really? They don't trust that the Messiah already came. They don't think Jesus is God. And, frankly, most of the Jews I've known are atheists.
What if your foster child was an atheist? Is this really how you think, or is it the "Muslims are horrible" garbage that is a stumbling block for so many Christians? Muslims are no worse, and no better, than anyone else. We all need to be saved. And one way to make sure someone doesn't want to be saved? Tell that person you will NOT accept them for who they are at that moment.
Look at the supposed adults answering on this thread. Do you really want to be that stone-hearted when you reach their age? Please. I beg of you -- let God soften your heart, so you don't become them.w
What if your foster kids were Jewish? Pork chops still on the table?
She already invite the teen into her home. That's a done deal, and done after seriously praying, because she didn't know if she should or shouldn't. Outside of that, I'm assuming she comes complete with clothes, so it's not like she has to go buy her the burqas. She is a teenager and it is Ramadan, so, yay! She's not eating her out of house and home all day. Bonus points, because, let's face it. You teens eat -- a lot. Part of that growing thing y'all do.
That leaves one issue -- prayer. If your foster child were Jewish, would you stop her from praying too? What if she prays in Hebrew? What if a menorah are required? Sure, lots of Christians say Jews pray to the same God, but do they really? They don't trust that the Messiah already came. They don't think Jesus is God. And, frankly, most of the Jews I've known are atheists.
What if your foster child was an atheist? Is this really how you think, or is it the "Muslims are horrible" garbage that is a stumbling block for so many Christians? Muslims are no worse, and no better, than anyone else. We all need to be saved. And one way to make sure someone doesn't want to be saved? Tell that person you will NOT accept them for who they are at that moment.
Look at the supposed adults answering on this thread. Do you really want to be that stone-hearted when you reach their age? Please. I beg of you -- let God soften your heart, so you don't become them.w
Israel was repeatedly disciplined for worshiping false God's.
Proverbs says to raise up a child in the way they should go.
If you are saying let go let God in this matter I don't agree. Furthermore we are to occupy not share occupancy with false religions.
Jesus didn't give the Jews a pass and say give them time they'll come around. 70 ad was the answer to the Jews once Christendom rooted.
I know where your coming from but even Jesus warned about children opposing there parents even to the point of death.
There is a time when we must draw the line in the sand. Imo this is one of them.
"The Satanic Jesus"
Oh man. Take a chill pill.
Fortunately Jesus hard-wired some common sense into the gospel.
People who live peaceably and morally, and show charity to widows and orphans are not Satanists.
And you will find them in many religions.
It means that they have an innate sense of right and wrong.
Satan's real mission is to destroy the Church.
The Church's mission is to gather everyone in Christ.
Oh man. Take a chill pill.
Fortunately Jesus hard-wired some common sense into the gospel.
People who live peaceably and morally, and show charity to widows and orphans are not Satanists.
And you will find them in many religions.
It means that they have an innate sense of right and wrong.
Satan's real mission is to destroy the Church.
The Church's mission is to gather everyone in Christ.