Not By Works

[Grace777x70]

condeming a brother to hell

I agree condemning those that have Christ in them to hell is indeed wrong. But telling people that do not have Christ in them if they rely on their own good works to save them - these will not like where they end up and that is right and loving.

I firmly believe Christians that have Christ in them can be all messed up in their thinking because of false teachings and thus think all that good works save them - are in fact stills saved.

They are just trying to live by their own self-effort of the flesh and do not yet have a revelation of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.

Our Lord will be faithful to them to reveal Himself and all that He has already done for them because of His great love and grace towards them.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm well Bill, and how goes it with you my friend?

An opinion contrary to scriptural truth. Plain for all to see. The bible says you are to do the will of God. DCON says this is works and anyone promoting this are "workers for".

Pretty clear then.

There is a word that describes your post....found in Proverbs 6...you know full well that I have said numerous times we are to do the works and bear fruit....You also know full well that I say the works DO NOT SAVE which YOU DO....

THIS is a prime example of how deceptive you are...right here in this post

 

[Grace777x70]

You say you trust Jesus? Well He is the one who tells us to do the works of God. So you then deny Him?

Jesus also told us what the works of God exactly are.

John 6:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"

[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

 

[dcontroversal]

You say you trust Jesus? Well He is the one who tells us to do the works of God. So you then deny Him?

Post 13262....

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus also told us what the works of God exactly are.

John 6:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"

[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

Amen....the just shall live by faith........the bible does not say the just shall live by works........

 

[Chris1975]

There is a word that describes your post....found in Proverbs 6...you know full well that I have said numerous times we are to do the works and bear fruit....You also know full well that I say the works DO NOT SAVE which YOU DO....

THIS is a prime example of how deceptive you are...right here in this post

^^^ he denies this below.

James 2
[SUP]24 [/SUP]You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

 

[Chris1975]

Amen....the just shall live by faith........the bible does not say the just shall live by works........

See post #13266

 

[dcontroversal]

^^^ he denies this below.

James 2
[SUP]24 [/SUP]You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

No actually I put that in context...it has nothing to do with salvation.....again you make the proverbs 6 list by your deceptive lie

 

[Chris1975]

James 2
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

 

[Chris1975]

No actually I put that in context...it has nothing to do with salvation.....again you make the proverbs 6 list by your deceptive lie

Salvation is IMPOSSIBLE without justification. Try again.

 

[dcontroversal]

Salvation is IMPOSSIBLE without justification. Try again.

Again context alludes you and has been explained numerous times....this does not speak of being justified before GOD (ROMANS 3,4) it speaks of our FAITH BEFORE MEN.....of the which you cannot grasp because you cannot see past your false dogma

Question....How does deceptively lying and embellishing or changing what one states help your working for dogma?

 

[Chris1975]

[SUP]
Romans 4
12 [/SUP]and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen....the just shall live by faith........the bible does not say the just shall live by works........

Amen...right believing in what Christ has done by grace through faith in His finished work on the cross and resurrection will bring right thinking which in turn will manifest His life in and through us in godly living.

The works-based righteousness mindset try to achieve by their own self-effort what Christ has already done for us and thus nullifies the very grace of God that is in Christ from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

This is why the "work for salvation" is such a deadly false doctrine. It is usually characterized by people saying we lose salvation and our loving Father throws His beloved baby children into hell.

It 's an anti-Christ belief system that has the "appearance" of good but denies the very Lord and His power from bringing about true transformation by the Holy Spirit in our lives. 2 Cor. 3:17-18.

We are to boldly proclaim the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ!

Ephesians 6:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel,

 

[Chris1975]

Again context alludes you and has been explained numerous times....this does not speak of being justified before GOD (ROMANS 3,4) it speaks of our FAITH BEFORE MEN.....of the which you cannot grasp because you cannot see past your false dogma

Question....How does deceptively lying and embellishing or changing what one states help your working for dogma?

We are not justified before men. Where did you just make that up?

Looks like you don't understand the word Justification.

 

[dcontroversal]

[SUP]
Romans 4
12 [/SUP]and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.

YEP faith<---FAITH....Abraham BELIEVED GOD and it was accounted unto for RIGHTEOUSNESS and PAUL concluded that a MAN IS JUSTIFIED by faith without the DEEDS of the LAW<--works....You should try it

 

[dcontroversal]

We are not justified before men. Where did you just make that up?

Looks like you don't understand the word Justification.

Obvious you do not understand the context of JAMES and the word SHOW ME your faith.....I think you just cut and past verses that you think supports your false ideology......

 

[Chris1975]

YEP faith<---FAITH....Abraham BELIEVED GOD and it was accounted unto for RIGHTEOUSNESS and PAUL concluded that a MAN IS JUSTIFIED by faith without the DEEDS of the LAW<--works....You should try it

Faith is Action (Hebrews 11). Abraham was justified by works when.....?

James 2
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

 

[Chris1975]

Obvious you do not understand the context of JAMES and the word SHOW ME your faith.....I think you just cut and past verses that you think supports your false ideology......

James is very understandable. You should read it.

 

[dcontroversal]

Chris.....When are you going to answer the question....I would really like to know how that helps your cause?

Question....How does deceptively lying and embellishing or changing what one states help your working for dogma?

 

[dcontroversal]

Faith is Action (Hebrews 11). Abraham was justified by works when.....?

James 2
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

Sure.....before men....and I have read James...numerous times....the context is FAITH SEEN BEFORE MEN......not what justifies before GOD.....PAUL covers that in ROMANS and GALATIANS....