Dan. 9

[J7]

The reason Michael is detained 21 days, and Daniel fasts 21 days is this:

there is a 21 day day hiatus in the 70 week prophecy.

21 days is obviously not really 21 days though.

A day to a year makes it 21 years.

But then we have the factor of 5 from the Man In Linen. He holds up his hands, one after the other, denoting the number 5, as in 5 digits.

5 X 21 = 105.

105 prophetic years of 360 days translates to 103 years and 180 days in the solar calendar.

Now lets go back to Daniel.

The Abomination of Desolation was started by Antiochus in 167AD at the end of that year. The exact dates are in the Book Of Maccabees. 103 and half years later in the summer of 63BC Pompey retook Jerusalem.

So that is what the 21 really means.
(and I am genuinely sorry for being facetious)

 

[miknik5]

The reason Michael is detained 21 days, and Daniel fasts 21 days is this:

there is a 21 day day hiatus in the 70 week prophecy.

21 days is obviously not really 21 days though.

A day to a year makes it 21 years.

But then we have the factor of 5 from the Man In Linen. He holds up his hands, one after the other, denoting the number 5, as in 5 digits.

5 X 21 = 105.

105 prophetic years of 360 days translates to 103 years and 180 days in the solar calendar.

Now lets go back to Daniel.

The Abomination of Desolation was started by Antiochus in 167AD at the end of that year. The exact dates are in the Book Of Maccabees. 103 and half years later in the summer of 63BC Pompey retook Jerusalem.

So that is what the 21 really means.
(and I am genuinely sorry for being facetious)

Michael is not detained 21 days
go read the WORD again

the WORD does not say Michael was detained

 

[J7]

oops 167 BC sorry

 

[J7]

Yes not Michael, but not the Man In Linen either, he is upstream.

it is 40 degrees here, forgive me if I drift off into stupid quips and errors

 

[Ahwatukee]

The reason Michael is detained 21 days, and Daniel fasts 21 days is this:

"Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”

Forgive me for jumping in, but as can be seen from the scripture above, it was either Gabriel or another angel who was sent to Daniel and was detained for 21 days. It was Michael who came to help that angel so that he could get to Daniel in order to give him the message.

Furthermore, it was a literal 21 days and not 21 years that the angel was detained. There is nothing in the context that would infer anything other than a literal 21 days.

If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.

Blessings!

 

[J7]

Why say something when you have no knowledge?

 

[miknik5]

"Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”

Forgive me for jumping in, but as can be seen from the scripture above, it was either Gabriel or another angel who was sent to Daniel and was detained for 21 days. It was Michael who came to help that angel so that he could get to Daniel in order to give him the message.

Furthermore, it was a literal 21 days and not 21 years that the angel was detained. There is nothing in the context that would infer anything other than a literal 21 days.

If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.

Blessings!

It wasn't Gabriel either

it was the "man in linen"


Nope...you are free to jump in any time

 

[J7]

It wasn't Gabriel either

it was the "man in linen"


Nope...you are free to jump in any time

Ok, I think you're right. I can't quite get who is talking in that Chapter

 

[miknik5]

Why say something when you have no knowledge?

Who are you saying has no knowledge?
and why are you saying that?

if you are referring to the above poster, he clearly showed you through Daniel 10:13 that while this one was detained no one helped HIM
BUT

Michael

(showing that Michael was not detained)

 

[J7]

Ahwatukee. I'm not normally that blunt, but he is muddying the waters for no good reason.

Can we get back to what we are discussing?

 

[miknik5]

Ahwatukee.

He showed you through the WORD that while this ONE was detained, no one helped HIM

BUT

Michael


(therefore while the "man in linen" may have been detained, Michael was not)

 

[J7]

yes we established that.

 

[miknik5]

yes we established that.

Then why did you say he had no knowledge?

 

[miknik5]

"Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”

Forgive me for jumping in, but as can be seen from the scripture above, it was either Gabriel or another angel who was sent to Daniel and was detained for 21 days. It was Michael who came to help that angel so that he could get to Daniel in order to give him the message.

Furthermore, it was a literal 21 days and not 21 years that the angel was detained. There is nothing in the context that would infer anything other than a literal 21 days.

If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.

Blessings!

I don't think anyone implied that it was 21 years but three weeks or three years representing that "21 days"

 

[J7]

lol. tangent alert.

Furthermore, it was a literal 21 days and not 21 years that the angel was detained. There is nothing in the context that would infer anything other than a literal 21 days.

If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.

Blessings!

Daniel is a coded book, so when someone suggests a flat reading of it, they show zero understanding.

It is just a ridiculous statement by someone who simply has no knowledge of what they are talking about.

 

[J7]

it would be like someone looking for a big red dragon after reading revelation

 

[miknik5]

lol. tangent alert.




Daniel is a coded book, so when someone suggests a flat reading of it, they show zero understanding.

It is just a ridiculous statement by someone who simply has no knowledge of what they are talking about.

He has knowledge. I have discussed with him many times on many different threads about the very book of Daniel

i have spoken with him probably more than 6 months ago on various other threads which discussed the very end time peophecies of the book of revelation

 

[J7]

ok, but his statement is of no relevance here.

 

[miknik5]

My

ok, but his statement is of no relevance here.

His statement helped to direct you to Daniel 10:13

 

[miknik5]

it would be like someone looking for a big red dragon after reading revelation

No

we don't make mistakes like that

and we aren't looking for or waiting for "a man in linen" either

we know perfectly well what these signs and pictures and visions represent