Not By Works

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He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him

 

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For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

 

[Meggido]

I to to believe a persons faith can be shipwrecked, but I believe God keeps his word no matter what.

in fact, the fact we have eternal life according to the apostle john is the reason for our hope as even Paul said in Titus, it is gods promise, the Holy Spirit is the pledge, and if for any reason, God goes back on his word, that's on him..

even if if we are faithless, he is faithful he can not deny himself

he made the unconditional promise nod said he will, we can not break that covenant because we did not fear anything up for e covenant.

i am not Calvinist either, I wonder if people hate osas because they hate Calvinism and their lack of free will stuff. That's why I asked.

My faith was shipwrecked many times as I posted, yet it never went away, I do not believe a person who has true faith, and experienced the true love of God and has the Holy Spirit would ever lose faith, you do not completely lose faith in someone who never lets you down.

God did not let me down, his people did, hope that makes sense,

E- How does the rest of God's promises in 2 Tim 2.11-13 fit into the one verse you quoted?

[SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a trustworthy statement:For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

Vs 13 is not stand alone is it? There are other conditions in verse's 11-12, that explain Vs 13, right?

I read Vs 13 to mean that when we are faithless to God, God remains faithful to his covenant, because he will not deny what he says.

One cannot really just quote Vs 13 without verses 11-12 can they?

a person who has true faith, and experienced the true love of God and has the Holy Spirit would ever lose faith, you do not completely lose faith in someone who never lets you down.

This the truth of eternal security.

I have know people who had true faith and then denied him and died denying him....If we seek to understand Verse 11 properly then God was faithful to his side of the covenant when they were faithless and he denied them, because they denied him because he will not deny what he says he will do and his word in Vs 11 makes it very clear...If we deny Him, He also will deny us.

This is falling away because of hurt and offense, backsliding, deception, etc.

 

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These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

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For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

 

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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

 

[Ariel82]

Hey dcon are we playing that game "name that Bible verse"?

 

[dcontroversal]

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

[Meggido]

Maybe you are ignorant of the fact that there are TWO (2) covenants.....ONE specifically for Israel and designed to lay GUILT before ALL.....and MAYBE your ignorant of the fact that the NEW COVENANT was ratified by the death of JESUS and NOW we are under GRACE and MERCY and the CONDEMNATION of the 1st COVENANT which you espouse and now PUSH has been alleviated and is NO LONGER applicable UNTO those who trust JESUS.......so....take your own advice and GO READ SLOWLY about the NEW COVENANT and the GRACE and MERCY that has come dia the SON JESUS CHRIST.......

DCON,
There are actually 8 major Bible covenants, which include the New covenant, which was made between God and all the house of Israel. The gentiles were grafted into the new Covenant, provisions of the Covenant include what you say it does.

 

[dcontroversal]

Hey dcon are we playing that game "name that Bible verse"?

People who teach works and self salvation can argue with me....let the deceivers argue with God....

 

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Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

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And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

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Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

 

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Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation.

 

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And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved

 

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For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

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The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

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Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

 

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So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

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For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.