The truth behind the Law
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You are right, yet that doesn't seem to slow anyone down. Then placing rules didn't, so hay what can we do? I will do my best to remain respectful, and I am not going to be one to pass out any guilty verdict. I am how going to return to my own rules, and any post that is not in line them I will not bother to reply to. Sad really, when you are guilty in the eyes of others that seem to have not read your post, just seen enough to start trowing rocks. Good thing we have His Armor to keep us safe.
Sadly it took me 4 trys to read the book of Numbers. Lev. no prob at all.
I have been through the Whole of the Word, around 40 times in my life, Been in this same debate many as well. So why do I bring it up? Well every time I seem to learn something new, and every time, it seems that others only see what they want to, so they can do their best to push any that don't see it their way under a bus.
The really sad part of this, my study partners are as listed, An RCC priest, a Baptist pastor, a Pentecostal pastor, A Lutheran, An Orthodox Jew, and then me. Yet with all that in the mix, we found common ground on this and many other topics. HOw? We set aside what we thought, and slowed down to hear the others out. We didn't disregard anything they said, and most of all, we stayed inside set guide lines. Much the same as what I placed here.
I have been through the Whole of the Word, around 40 times in my life, Been in this same debate many as well. So why do I bring it up? Well every time I seem to learn something new, and every time, it seems that others only see what they want to, so they can do their best to push any that don't see it their way under a bus.
The really sad part of this, my study partners are as listed, An RCC priest, a Baptist pastor, a Pentecostal pastor, A Lutheran, An Orthodox Jew, and then me. Yet with all that in the mix, we found common ground on this and many other topics. HOw? We set aside what we thought, and slowed down to hear the others out. We didn't disregard anything they said, and most of all, we stayed inside set guide lines. Much the same as what I placed here.
That was the intent yes. I also wanted to show that one can't take just one passage and build a doctrine on it. We must have every word, or it doesn't work. That is what got this going in our study group. It was why we placed much the same rules as I have on here. Yes I know, shame on me right. Not really, after all I have seen, and others have seen it as well, that if one picks a passage with care, and uses just enough, they can make the Bible say God is dead. Doesn't make them right, just makes them really good at misusing the Word.
In a way yes. Yet so long as you are coming back to the true topic, Let me ask one more thing. If not everything written about Him has been fulfilled as yet, does that change the out come of it being fulfilled, and removed in your mind?
Keep in mind I am just asking, I am not trying to place any one under the Law, as I think I have made it clear to any one that cares to read my words. Just want to put in that dis-clamor, so I am not being called names as seems to be the habit of some. Or should that be Hobbit? LOL
Keep in mind I am just asking, I am not trying to place any one under the Law, as I think I have made it clear to any one that cares to read my words. Just want to put in that dis-clamor, so I am not being called names as seems to be the habit of some. Or should that be Hobbit? LOL
Ha ha forgive me if I blow a little smoke
But that almost sounds like the start of a walks into a bar joke
Ha ha but that aside I do hope the Lord shall bless you and your buddies
Sounds like an interesting group of perspectives for your studies
Well to go back and speak a bit more seriously
Numbers I think is a little more exciting since it gets back more to the story
Though Leviticus is still kind of cool
I feel a little more appreciation for it this time through
Between the laws you have nice little episodes
Like Aaron and his sons being consecrated
From where I last was reading I'll post these verses to consider too
If you notice after the death Nadab and Abihu
Moses gets angry with Eleazar and Ithamar
But Aaron gives him a little rebuke
I think that episode is profitable in understanding the Law
It's not so much about sins and the altar having sacrifices on it
But rather it's about the heart and whether the Lord will accept it
Leviticus 10:16-20
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Moses diligently sought the goat of the sin offering, and, behold, it was burnt: and he was angry with Eleazar and Ithamar, the sons of Aaron which were left alive, saying,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore have ye not eaten the sin offering in the holy place, seeing it is most holy, and God hath given it you to bear the iniquity of the congregation, to make atonement for them before the Lord?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Behold, the blood of it was not brought in within the holy place: ye should indeed have eaten it in the holy place, as I commanded.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And Aaron said unto Moses, Behold, this day have they offered their sin offering and their burnt offering before the Lord; and such things have befallen me: and if I had eaten the sin offering to day, should it have been accepted in the sight of the Lord?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And when Moses heard that, he was content.
But that almost sounds like the start of a walks into a bar joke
Ha ha but that aside I do hope the Lord shall bless you and your buddies
Sounds like an interesting group of perspectives for your studies
Well to go back and speak a bit more seriously
Numbers I think is a little more exciting since it gets back more to the story
Though Leviticus is still kind of cool
I feel a little more appreciation for it this time through
Between the laws you have nice little episodes
Like Aaron and his sons being consecrated
From where I last was reading I'll post these verses to consider too
If you notice after the death Nadab and Abihu
Moses gets angry with Eleazar and Ithamar
But Aaron gives him a little rebuke
I think that episode is profitable in understanding the Law
It's not so much about sins and the altar having sacrifices on it
But rather it's about the heart and whether the Lord will accept it
Leviticus 10:16-20
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Moses diligently sought the goat of the sin offering, and, behold, it was burnt: and he was angry with Eleazar and Ithamar, the sons of Aaron which were left alive, saying,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore have ye not eaten the sin offering in the holy place, seeing it is most holy, and God hath given it you to bear the iniquity of the congregation, to make atonement for them before the Lord?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Behold, the blood of it was not brought in within the holy place: ye should indeed have eaten it in the holy place, as I commanded.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And Aaron said unto Moses, Behold, this day have they offered their sin offering and their burnt offering before the Lord; and such things have befallen me: and if I had eaten the sin offering to day, should it have been accepted in the sight of the Lord?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And when Moses heard that, he was content.
yes it would be. that thinking comes from,
Luk 24:44 Then he said, “When I was with you before, I told you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
As we know His second coming can be found in Is, as well as in Dan. and even in the Torah.
Luk 24:44 Then he said, “When I was with you before, I told you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
As we know His second coming can be found in Is, as well as in Dan. and even in the Torah.
(oops, I see that what I've been calling 27 & 28 are actually 17 & 18... my apologies!)
for me, the problem would be that some messianic prophecies are still to be fulfilled in the future,
as in Ezekiel 37:22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.
so imo, Luke 24 doesn't mean that everything prophecied about Jesus was fulfilled in his first coming here.
But Jesus says,"I did not come to destroy but to fulfill", which I think is to say "I came to fulfill". So, imo, he must mean he came to fulfill prophecies about his first coming.
for me, the problem would be that some messianic prophecies are still to be fulfilled in the future,
as in Ezekiel 37:22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.
so imo, Luke 24 doesn't mean that everything prophecied about Jesus was fulfilled in his first coming here.
But Jesus says,"I did not come to destroy but to fulfill", which I think is to say "I came to fulfill". So, imo, he must mean he came to fulfill prophecies about his first coming.
What book are you reading that from?
After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:33
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Ps 19:7
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Ps 119:142
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:7
The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: Mal 2:6