The truth behind the Law

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graceNpeace

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Which part do you need me to explain to you?
You have twice posted, without qualification or even a Scriptural reference, your little poem.
Try explaining it - preferably with Scriptural references.
 

FGT

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You have twice posted, without qualification or even a Scriptural reference, your little poem.
Try explaining it - preferably with Scriptural references.
Al right we will take it line by line.

The truth is the law.

What part of this is not true and you do not understand and needs
a verse from the bible to validate it?
 

graceNpeace

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Al right we will take it line by line.

The truth is the law.

What part of this is not true and you do not understand and needs
a verse from the bible to validate it?
I think the point is that, as a Christian the law is no longer binding as far righteousness before God is concerned.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the righteous demands of the law on behalf of those who believe in Him.
(Please scroll back through this thread for plenty of scripture to back this up)

I am no longer under the law - all it could ever do to me was condemn me.
Trying to place myself back under the law would abrogate what Jesus Christ did on the cross for me - and the law would condemn me as a result.

I don't know for sure, but if you are a law-keeper, then you are under the law and the law will condemn you because you are unable to keep (and it needs to be kept perfectly).
Either one accepts the salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus alone or one stands on one's own merits before the judgement seat of Christ.
This cannot be mixed - the blood of Jesus Christ and the works of the law cannot be offered simultaneously and imputed as righteousness.

As for evil spirits I have confronted them face to face many times in ministry.
None of them were ever in the slightest bit interested whether I upheld the law or not - all they knew was that I had the seal of the Holy Spirit and therefore had authority over them.
The law never came up!
 

miknik5

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Al right we will take it line by line.

The truth is the law.

What part of this is not true and you do not understand and needs
a verse from the bible to validate it?
is GOD'sWORD both THE TRUTH and THE LAW?
 

FGT

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I am no longer under the law - all it could ever do to me was condemn me.
Trying to place myself back under the law would abrogate what Jesus Christ did on the cross for me - and the law would condemn me as a result.
Are you under this law?
In other words does this apply to you?


Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
 

graceNpeace

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Are you under this law?
In other words does this apply to you?


Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
No!
My justification comes from the imputed blood of Jesus Christ.
If I had to rely just on what that verse said I would be condemned absolutely and unequivocally.
I am not under the law - that is the point...
 
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If this is right, then please, Give me scripture. I can on the other hand give you many passages that will show my side. Though due to my own rules for this, I will give you just one at this time.

Act 22:3
“I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers' law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today.

I do ask that read this in context please. However for one to say that Paul told us we do not need the Law, would they not first need to remove his words in this passage?
As always what God calls together Satan works to seperate it and vice versa. Two kinds of law. One in respect to the things of God and the other in respect to the things of sinful men .The latter offends our God

Continuing the context in order to get to the point of Paul reasoning for changing denominations from the Pharisees with Sadducees to the Nazarene sect/denomination as one of the leaders. Before his conversion it reads

And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished. Act 22:4-5

That zealously was false and in the end shows the law of the fathers as another kind of law that comes after men whom Christ called a brood of vipers. By those oral traditions of men, men walked after the flesh as that seen and attempted to kill what they perceived was the competition (the Christians) as in out of sight out of mind. It is the same kind of law of men that the Catholics used as a carbon copy of the fifteenth century reformation.

For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. Act 24:5 …….Not the law of God but as commandments of men

No matter how hard they tried to make all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) without effect they could not prove it was heresy (a private interpretation of men ) lacking the law of the fathers.

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Act 24:13

Again a distinction must be made between the law of God as in all things written in the law and the prophets by the finger of God and those oral tradition as commandments of men .

The difference being Paul worshipped the God of the fathers but the Jews that did not have the Spirit of Christ worshipped their fathers as if were gods that came down in the likeness of men .Therefore in the end of the matter violating the warning to call no man Father or Rabi on earth for one is our Father/Rabbi/Master in heaven
 

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No!
My justification comes from the imputed blood of Jesus Christ.
If I had to rely just on what that verse said I would be condemned absolutely and unequivocally.
I am not under the law - that is the point...
Are you under this law?
In other words does this apply to you?

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent,
and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 

miknik5

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Do you know the laws of Jesus Christ?
Yes. It's to love one another as HE has loved us

do you think preaching the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL is unloving?
 

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Yes. It's to love one another as HE has loved us

do you think preaching the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL is unloving?
I think you ask me to many stupid questions trying to trap me in my own words..
 

miknik5

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Is there a law that God ever made that was not the truth?

You can answer your own question by this I gave to you.
What you don't understand is that THE same LAW and same TRUTH of GOD by HIS WORD has already declared all men....unclean

its why Romans says all mouths will be silenced and the whole world held accountable to GOD

If the very WORD and LAW says that all have sinned, alll are unclean, there is no one who does right and does not sin, how can a man stand before GOD and justify himself by THE LAW...he would be calling GOD a liar and worse saying that he had no need for GOD's SON to do for us what we could not do for ourselves

To wash the slate of our soul clean
 

miknik5

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I think you ask me to many stupid questions trying to trap me in my own words..
The law you are using to justify yourself is the same law that says all have sinned
 

miknik5

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I think you ask me to many stupid questions trying to trap me in my own words..
Didn't you just use these words

by your words you will be justified?

i don't ask stupid questions for my benefit sir


I already know THE TRUTH
And THE WAY
And THE LIFE

its why I'm not ashamed of preaching THE GOSPEL

And yes by our words we will be justified in HIS sight
and I have nothing to be ashamed of
 
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miknik5

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You think my questions are stupid?

i won't burden you with another
 

miknik5

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It is too late...You cannot take back what you have already said.
Oh I'm not ashamed of what I said and I won't take it back
i didn't offend you sir
I spoke TRUTH


You didn't
You spoke an opinion suggesting implying something of me that isn't true

thosevare your idle words
im not responsible for your words

im responsible for my own
and I haven't said anything stupid
 

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Oh I'm not ashamed of what I said and I won't take it back
i didn't offend you sir
I spoke TRUTH


You didn't
Would you say that about me to God that you have said here to me in this post?