OT SHADOWS AND TYPES IN THE SABBATH/CLEAN MEAT LAWS - HOW JUDAIZERS MISS THE POINT

[Issachar92]

Zen you are filled with hatred, I was never boasting I specifically said there is neither jew nor greek in Christ, if you were to read my other posts I go hard on the judaizers.
But lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater so to speak.

Christians are part of the vine its specifically mentioned in Romans 11, why do you ignore that on purpose? I think its you who have some sort of jealously of inferiority complex but thats too bad because the calling of God is irrevocable as the bible teaches.

You again mention that Jews reject the trinity and this and that, I already addressed that in my previous post, this is true. This is why we have this thing known as the time of Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation which will be primarily focused on and around Israel.
During this time God will save a bunch of those guys that you so much hate.

Why do you have Exodus 3:14 in your signature? Its written by a Jew, he is just planning to confuse the goyim you see? What if christianity is just a zionist trap? What if the Jews faked the moonlanding?

Yes I am also familiar with 1 Thessalonians 2, but are you familar with:

Romans 11:25-26

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[Zen]

Zen you are filled with hatred, I was never boasting I specifically said there is neither jew nor greek in Christ, if you were to read my other posts I go hard on the judaizers.
But lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater so to speak.

Christians are part of the vine its specifically mentioned in Romans 11, why do you ignore that on purpose? I think its you who have some sort of jealously of inferiority complex but thats too bad because the calling of God is irrevocable as the bible teaches.

You again mention that Jews reject the trinity and this and that, I already addressed that in my previous post, this is true. This is why we have this thing known as the time of Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation which will be primarily focused on and around Israel.
During this time God will save a bunch of those guys that you so much hate.

Why do you have Exodus 3:14 in your signature? Its written by a Jew, he is just planning to confuse the goyim you see? What if christianity is just a zionist trap? What if the Jews faked the moonlanding?

Yes I am also familiar with 1 Thessalonians 2, but are you familar with:

Romans 11:25-26

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Yeah yeah you're chosen by God and I'm not. I get it. Don't reply to me again.

 

[Issachar92]

Yeah yeah you're chosen by God and I'm not. I get it. Don't reply to me again.

33 years old and still a brat.

I never claimed to be chosen did you notice that? So listen up sensitive brat; If you, me, or anyone in the earth is in Christ, they are CHOSEN as you put it, this is clearly in the bible, how did you miss it?

Just because God has not permanently cast away Jews and will save a bunch of them during the time of Jacob's trouble does not mean ANYONE who is in Christ is not chosen.

How many times in the past has Israel been in idolatry and unbelief in the old testament and God always brought them back? Many many times.

So in summary: Anyone who is in Christ IS chosen. (And I have never heard anyone teach contrary, so how in the world did you come up with that?).
Stop hating

 

[Muzungu256]

the real quetion is who are the real jews lol?????????????? everyone is saying im jewish im jewish..... white people in Israel, blacks in america.......... its a mess.......... who has jacobs dna lets go test it out

 

[Zen]

the real quetion is who are the real jews lol?????????????? everyone is saying im jewish im jewish..... white people in Israel, blacks in america.......... its a mess.......... who has jacobs dna lets go test it out

Yep. Most of the people that call themselves Jews are probably just the synagogue of the serpent. They do the works of it, genocide, meddling in politics, spreading the occult, etc.

God said that Israelites would be a blessing to the whole world. So-called Jews have been kicked out of dozens of countries for hundreds of years for coin clipping, usury, sedition, etc. That's not a blessing.

That's why I say "so-called" because only God knows the true Jews, yet there are deceivers who hide under their name.

 

[sparkman]

the real quetion is who are the real jews lol?????????????? everyone is saying im jewish im jewish..... white people in Israel, blacks in america.......... its a mess.......... who has jacobs dna lets go test it out

The cultic group I belonged to as a young person, the Armstrongites, claim that the white people of Western Europe, Great Britain, United States, Australia, etcetera are the "Lost Ten Tribes of Israel". These types of claims have been around for 3 centuries or more. Individuals within the British Empire began this teaching which is called Anglo Israelism or British Israelism.

It's based mostly on word games, and speculative interpretation of prophecy, largely Genesis 49.

Hebrew Israelites picked up on it, I think, from the teachings of Herbert Armstrong, who was the founder of Armstrongism. It's zany. They employ all kinds of creative interpretation of both prophecy and folklore to arrive at their conclusion. It sounds convincing if you are an inexperienced 22 year old but looking back on it, it was totally ridiculous and those who believe it are of the same ilk as National Enquirer readers or wild eyed conspiracy nuts.

 

[oldethennew]

may God have mercy on the deceived and the un-deceived...

 

[gotime]

It is astounding how many false doctrines are not even in biblical text yet some will cling to these man-made doctrines as if mans wisdom somehow is superior to that of the Almighty... I still question the true motive of those who do, it seems easy to tell if someone is actually in error yet is sincere about wanting to walk in truth.

I have given this thought myself, Humans are great at fooling themselves and believing their own lies. The Atheist says there is not God and goes on about the evidence. But the reality is there is no evidence and they deep down know there is none. They know that the evidence points to a creator. So then why do they say what they do and refuse to believe in a God?

Simple because to admit and accept what they know deep down will mean they are accountable to God and that their sins unless repented of will be their end.

I have come to realise the same in Christianity. I can not accept that people are so stupid that they can not see what is right there in the bible. So why do they not see it? The same reason the Atheist does not, Because to admit it makes them accountable to God. This is not for all but only those who have been shown and who read their bible.

So they do what is not taught in the word and manipulate it to fit their views and ignore and pervert anything that does not fit. That is why there are verses and places they will ignore outright every time because they know they have no answer for it and it goes against their view.

What amazes me is haw good humans are at fooling themselves into believing their own lie.

The Sabbath is a great example of such a plain text yet they can not see it for what it is.

 

[gotime]

ps for example, I have challenged sparkman to show me from the OT, He wont address it because he knows he can't, no one can because its not there. It is a fair challenge as I am only asking them to do what the NT writers did.

Yet in all that they will not concede but continue to say the same old things that don't make sense.

 

[gotime]

The exact opposite is true concerning the Sabbath in the OT, It is prophesied to be applicable to Gentiles even after the Messiah is revealed. Now we know that the OT is about the Messiah and here we see it:

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.This is none other than messianic prophecy when Jesus shall be revealed which Paul teaches was hidden till Christ.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. The Stranger/Gentile also partakes in the Sabbath.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him. This is connected If one studies Isaiah to the gathering of the Christian church it is new covenant based.
Now Some will come here and take verse 7 and suggest that this proves that this is before Jesus because sacrifices stop at Jesus. What they have done there is create problems for themselves.

Like Matthew 24 and many of the Messianic prophecies in fact just about all of them, they had duel application, One application for Israel and one for the Messiah. So the scripture had prophetic application for Israel itself and for spiritual Israel concerning the coming of the Messiah. For example:

The sanctuary services involved sacrifices. Now when it speaks of literal Israel before the messiah it is literal animal sacrifices. but the same passage read without the veil shows the Messiah the true sacrifice. or maybe an actual example form an accepted Messianic prophecy that can not be argued against.



Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Here the Author uses the OT to prove that Jesus Is the Messiah called out of Egypt. But note where he is quoting from:

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

It is a Passage about Israel and how God brought them out of Egypt. This Passage had direct relevance to literal Israel, but the scriptures are about the Messiah thus Matthew sees the call to Jesus just as the call came to Israel of old.

Just one example showing the duel application could put many more up that prove this point.

This whole Passage is clearly Messianic in nature as the scriptures are about Jesus. Contextually it is clearly new covenant based

 

[Muzungu256]

The exact opposite is true concerning the Sabbath in the OT, It is prophesied to be applicable to Gentiles even after the Messiah is revealed. Now we know that the OT is about the Messiah and here we see it:

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.This is none other than messianic prophecy when Jesus shall be revealed which Paul teaches was hidden till Christ.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. The Stranger/Gentile also partakes in the Sabbath.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him. This is connected If one studies Isaiah to the gathering of the Christian church it is new covenant based.
Now Some will come here and take verse 7 and suggest that this proves that this is before Jesus because sacrifices stop at Jesus. What they have done there is create problems for themselves.

Like Matthew 24 and many of the Messianic prophecies in fact just about all of them, they had duel application, One application for Israel and one for the Messiah. So the scripture had prophetic application for Israel itself and for spiritual Israel concerning the coming of the Messiah. For example:

The sanctuary services involved sacrifices. Now when it speaks of literal Israel before the messiah it is literal animal sacrifices. but the same passage read without the veil shows the Messiah the true sacrifice. or maybe an actual example form an accepted Messianic prophecy that can not be argued against.



Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Here the Author uses the OT to prove that Jesus Is the Messiah called out of Egypt. But note where he is quoting from:

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

It is a Passage about Israel and how God brought them out of Egypt. This Passage had direct relevance to literal Israel, but the scriptures are about the Messiah thus Matthew sees the call to Jesus just as the call came to Israel of old.

Just one example showing the duel application could put many more up that prove this point.

This whole Passage is clearly Messianic in nature as the scriptures are about Jesus. Contextually it is clearly new covenant based

i think this is clear that christians should keep the sabbath WOW!!!!!!!! ground breaking verses i think its clear to not profane the sabbath and keep it even strangers and eunuchs............ btw does the bible mean real eunuchs when it speaks about them like guys with no testies??????? or is it metaphorical to those who don't marry ever????? like hermits

 

[garee]

Zen you are filled with hatred, I was never boasting I specifically said there is neither jew nor greek in Christ, if you were to read my other posts I go hard on the judaizers.
But lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater so to speak.

What baby would that be? Christians fed by the milk of God’s word as inward Jews and not in respect to the flesh of an outward Jew that stands in the same place as an outward Gentile?


God put no difference between the two purfying the hearts of both by one work of His faith.
(it is finished)

Christians are part of the vine its specifically mentioned in Romans 11, why do you ignore that on purpose? I think its you who have some sort of jealously of inferiority complex but thats too bad because the calling of God is irrevocable as the bible teaches.

I think a inward Jew or the new name he named His people, Christian, served his pupose of giving new born again life to new creatures who he informs us are niether male nor female, Jew nor Gentile . What we will be is not what we are . Christ speaks to us as if we had already received our new incorruptible bodies .

You again mention that Jews reject the trinity and this and that, I already addressed that in my previous post, this is true. This is why we have this thing known as the time of Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation which will be primarily focused on and around Israel.

They are still facing the same trouble no outward from to recognize them born again . The refomation has come the veil is rent indicating Christ had come .Its the antichrists (many) that are still waitning for the first time.

God is no respecter of person promises are never made according to the flesh which Christ him self of his won said could never propfit .For who would hope for something they already have as a outward Jew?


During this time God will save a bunch of those guys that you so much hate.

Why do you have Exodus 3:14 in your signature? Its written by a Jew, he is just planning to confuse the goyim you see? What if christianity is just a zionist trap? What if the Jews faked the moonlanding?


Christians don't hate Jews.Bit rather bless them we still offer them the gospel by which like the gentiles they two could be born again .


Hebrews was wriiten by the finger of God. He is nether Jew nor Gentile as if he was a man as us to begin with.

Yes I am also familiar with 1 Thessalonians 2, but are you familar with:

Romans 11:25-26

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Yes as many as the father has given to the son will come. Not all Israel is Israel . Again God who is not a respecter of persons....puts no diffrence between a sinful gentile and sinful Isrealite that is not the true Israel, born again Christians .

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith............(his work of faith not Peter's)Act 15:7

 

[gotime]

i think this is clear that christians should keep the sabbath WOW!!!!!!!! ground breaking verses i think its clear to not profane the sabbath and keep it even strangers and eunuchs............ btw does the bible mean real eunuchs when it speaks about them like guys with no testies??????? or is it metaphorical to those who don't marry ever????? like hermits

Good question Muzungu256, keep in mind that this is duel so it applied to Israel also. Eunuchs were rejected because they were not complete and thus seen as unclean. the basic point is that God is saying through Isaiah that there are no exclusions from salvation by God or when the Messiah comes.

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

When a Jew read that they would think it applies only to Jews So God has to widen their view and thus God mentions two types of people, The eunuch represents those who are incomplete or unclean a symbol of those who are Jews that may still be rejected by the mainstream or whole Jews so to speak this could travel to anyone who is unclean as a Jew or sick etc. The stranger/Gentile includes everyone that is not a Jew. Two classes of people that were rejected by Jewish tradition.

So the point is that all can be saved if they will accept Gods covenant and embrace his Sabbath. Or in other words everyone that chooses to accept Jesus or in their day YHWH and walk in his ways could be saved and be children of God.

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

all will be accepted as children what a promise.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The covenant means promise of God. God promised Abraham that he would save his descendants. The Sabbath is simply a day that God made Holy himself and blessed thus it is relevant to all who believe in the word of God and that he did create and bless and make Holy.

Hope that helps.

 

[gotime]

Just to add to that on the eunuchs, They have no Man bits. So for a Jew how can they be circumcised? For the Jew they misunderstood circumcision and its meaning. Not only that but they can not have kids, so how can they be part of the promise of God to Abraham to bless his seed? Thus the Jew would reject a person based on their physical ability. God is saying no all I require is that one takes hold of my covenant/Promise and keep the Sabbath.

On a side note this is proof form the OT that circumcision did not save, thus it must have been a sign, Paul talks about it in Romans.

 

[LoveGodForever]

The exact opposite is true concerning the Sabbath in the OT, It is prophesied to be applicable to Gentiles even after the Messiah is revealed. Now we know that the OT is about the Messiah and here we see it:

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.This is none other than messianic prophecy when Jesus shall be revealed which Paul teaches was hidden till Christ.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. The Stranger/Gentile also partakes in the Sabbath.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him. This is connected If one studies Isaiah to the gathering of the Christian church it is new covenant based.
Now Some will come here and take verse 7 and suggest that this proves that this is before Jesus because sacrifices stop at Jesus. What they have done there is create problems for themselves.

Like Matthew 24 and many of the Messianic prophecies in fact just about all of them, they had duel application, One application for Israel and one for the Messiah. So the scripture had prophetic application for Israel itself and for spiritual Israel concerning the coming of the Messiah. For example:

The sanctuary services involved sacrifices. Now when it speaks of literal Israel before the messiah it is literal animal sacrifices. but the same passage read without the veil shows the Messiah the true sacrifice. or maybe an actual example form an accepted Messianic prophecy that can not be argued against.



Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Here the Author uses the OT to prove that Jesus Is the Messiah called out of Egypt. But note where he is quoting from:

Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

It is a Passage about Israel and how God brought them out of Egypt. This Passage had direct relevance to literal Israel, but the scriptures are about the Messiah thus Matthew sees the call to Jesus just as the call came to Israel of old.

Just one example showing the duel application could put many more up that prove this point.

This whole Passage is clearly Messianic in nature as the scriptures are about Jesus. Contextually it is clearly new covenant based

Hi gotime, nice post, there is some great things in all of God's Word. Nice post from the Isaiah 56 prophecy. God's Words are like gemstones the more God teaches you there is always more to learn.

God bless mate

 

[sparkman]

Life Assurance Ministries is run by former Seventh Day Adventists who saw the errors in their teaching. They have a free magazine called Proclamation! if anyone is interested.

Here is an article they did on the connections between SDAs and abortion. As I have said, SDAs perform abortions in their health care facilities. They will perform elective abortions which are not life threatening to the mother.

Additionally, amongst their own membership they will perform abortions for reasons of rape, incest, and congenital deformities including Down's Syndrome.

There is a connection between abortion dollars and their doctrine as the article reveals. Abortionists have donated large sums of money to the SDAs for buildings on their educational facility grounds:

Abortion in Adventism


Note that some Adventists are opposed to their church's position on this issue. This SDA guy says he won't do Bible studies reaching out to Roman Catholics (whom they consider to be followers of the Whore of Babylon mentioned in Revelation 17) because he realizes the obvious folly of supporting abortion yet preaching about the Sabbath:

https://adventlife.wordpress.com/20...ding-adventists-and-abortion-by-nic-samojluk/

So, how consistent is it to promote the Sabbath but to hack babies to death in the womb? I am amazed that anyone could belong to a church that allows abortions, and even performs them in their health care facilities.

As the author of the second thread points out, SDAs have used the marketing technique of claiming superiority to Roman Catholic health care facilities for the reason that they are willing to perform the abortions. I am dumbfounded.

Days and Diets are in the realm of carnal man. Yet it is the FOCUS of Judaizers. Because of days and diets, it is a common view that non-observant Christians are either unsaved or deceived or disobedient.

Do they think, when they appear before Jesus in the judgment, that making claims concerning diet and days is going to cut it? Read Matthew 25 and see what Christ says about these things. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. He points toward sacrificial love.

Notice LoveGodForever, who is apparently SDA, has made the claim that I am not "one of the sheep" due to my position. This is not atypical, and I thank him for expressing his views. Judaizers often make this claim.

Be aware, folks. The intention of Judaizers is to discredit Christianity, and declare themselves to be the "true faith". They do it subtly and openly. Most SDAs believe that their organization is the "true church" and that true Christians will eventually join them. They view Sunday observance as being the "Mark of the Beast" in the end times. They attempt to proselytize evangelical Christians, and are sheep-stealers.

Regarding folks not liking my comments, I know that throwing pearls before swine is risky business. I probably shouldn't even bother.

Here's a link to obtain free issues of Proclamation! magazine.

Proclamation Magazine