What is the sign for salvation.?

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1PETER 1:9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16.
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace
that should come unto you:

Searching what, or what manner of timeTthe Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with The Holy Ghost
sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the Grace
that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

As Obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

But as He which hath called you is Holy, so be ye Holy in all manner of conversation;

Because it is written, Be you Holy; for I Am Holy.
 
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A sign of salvation is a newly created spirit that will never die creating a new heart or desire as the kind of will that is free do the will the will of another.(our father in heaven) It is the kind of food the disciples knew not of. The daily bread of His will .. it creates a contrite heart making our hard heart soft.
 
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Salvation is when your heart Truly Accept that Jesus As your Lord and Savior who died for your sin. , and you are not just confess but also repent your sins. What i said Salvation is your Heart Choice If you truly accept Jesus as Your Lord , You have no Reason to go back of wrong Doing , Jesus is the Light , He is the Answer to Salvation , He is the one who saves . Godbless Every one ☺️
 

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Salvation is when your heart Truly Accept that Jesus As your Lord and Savior who died for your sin. , and you are not just confess but also repent your sins. What i said Salvation is your Heart Choice If you truly accept Jesus as Your Lord , You have no Reason to go back of wrong Doing , Jesus is the Light , He is the Answer to Salvation , He is the one who saves . Godbless Every one ☺️
amen, and that is the only source of happiness, keep in mind, it doesn't matter whether we have money or not, sick or healthy, rich or poor, as long as Jesus in us, we are happy person, because the source of happiness in us.

i remember a Chinese preacher, smart, he graduate from Harvard, phd in chemical, on the way back to china, ready to have good job, he throw all his diploma and award and preach the gospel. One of the songs he make is

empty o empty, empty o empty all are empty, only Jesus not
 

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In my opinion, the sign of salvation is that you recognize you're a sinner, that you accept Jesus as your Saviour, you repent your sins, ask for forgivness and believe you've recieved it, and also it is that you try to live in such a way that others could see Christ through you.

As for sinning, everyone sins. Even the saved. But in my humble point of view, the sign of salvation is the way you act after you sinned. I think that when you are saved, and you sin and recognize you have sinned, your first respond is to go down on your knees, HONESTLY repent your sin, ask God for forgiveness and His help, and believe, that the blood of Christ is powerfull enough to cover your sin.

I'm not saying that we are allowed to sin, and as long as we believe, we're saved. NOT AT ALL. I am trying to say that when you are saved, God is changing your heart. And that change reflects in your behaviour.

But this is my opinion. If I am wrong, correct me. :)
 

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In my opinion, the sign of salvation is that you recognize you're a sinner, that you accept Jesus as your Saviour, you repent your sins, ask for forgivness and believe you've recieved it, and also it is that you try to live in such a way that others could see Christ through you.

As for sinning, everyone sins. Even the saved. But in my humble point of view, the sign of salvation is the way you act after you sinned. I think that when you are saved, and you sin and recognize you have sinned, your first respond is to go down on your knees, HONESTLY repent your sin, ask God for forgiveness and His help, and believe, that the blood of Christ is powerfull enough to cover your sin.

I'm not saying that we are allowed to sin, and as long as we believe, we're saved. NOT AT ALL. I am trying to say that when you are saved, God is changing your heart. And that change reflects in your behaviour.

But this is my opinion. If I am wrong, correct me. :)
No, I reckon this is a pretty insightful answer!
Revealed to you by the Holy Spirit...
 

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In my opinion, the sign of salvation is that you recognize you're a sinner, that you accept Jesus as your Saviour, you repent your sins, ask for forgivness and believe you've recieved it, and also it is that you try to live in such a way that others could see Christ through you.

As for sinning, everyone sins. Even the saved. But in my humble point of view, the sign of salvation is the way you act after you sinned. I think that when you are saved, and you sin and recognize you have sinned, your first respond is to go down on your knees, HONESTLY repent your sin, ask God for forgiveness and His help, and believe, that the blood of Christ is powerfull enough to cover your sin.

I'm not saying that we are allowed to sin, and as long as we believe, we're saved. NOT AT ALL. I am trying to say that when you are saved, God is changing your heart. And that change reflects in your behaviour.

But this is my opinion. If I am wrong, correct me. :)
i agree, like peter after accepting Jesus, he did make mistake and rebuked by Paul, after following Jesus he denied Jesus, it doesn't mean it is Ok to kill after accepting Jesus, in certain level if we not bear fruit, He will cut of the branch and burn, burn mean he'll or not save. We not play with salvation. It is serious.
 

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Thank you :) I'm not very good at explaining and sometimes others misunderstand me, and I'm glad it isn't like that this time :)
Thank God for His wisdom, because without Him I´m completely lost...
 

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Paul's belief (faith) did not save him. His fasting did not save him. His prayers did not save him. None of these things washes away sin. Only one thing washes away sin- the blood of Christ- which we get when we are baptized into His death (Romans 6:3).
If Paul's faith did not save him, then he was confused when he wrote Ephesians 2:8,9. We are Spirit baptized (and not water baptized) into the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). You are confusing the picture with the reality. The washing away of sin by the blood of Christ is signified, yet not procured in the waters of baptism. We are forced to give this interpretation by the context. Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that faith, not water baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16, 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures.

Ananias said to Paul, "What are you waiting for? Arise, be baptized, and wash away your sins- calling on the name of the Lord."
As Greek Scholar A.T. Robertson explains: As in Romans 6:4-6 where baptism is the picture of death, burial and resurrection, so here baptism pictures the change that had already taken place when Paul surrendered to Jesus on the way. Baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ.

We are saved when we obey the gospel- which is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For when we are baptized, we die to ourself, bury our old sinful self in the watery grave of baptism, and are raised alive with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is what marks us for salvation.
Again, water baptism is the picture, but not the reality. We are saved when we obey the gospel and we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16).

(With flames of fire (hell) He will take vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of His Son).
Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" Refusing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation is refusing to obey the gospel. The gospel is NOT "water baptized or condemned." That is a "different" gospel.

Baptism is how we get into Christ, but it's possible to come back out.
Spirit baptism (not water baptism) is how we get into the body of Christ when we believe the gospel. Where does the Bible say "come back out" of the body of Christ? Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Believers are sealed unto/for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30).

You can't willfully commit any sin you want. The Bible says "If you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins." 'No longer' means it once genuinely did- which means OSAS (once saved always saved) is a false doctrine. You can lose your salvation- and this verse proves it. (Sinning willfully means premeditated, not tempted in the moment- but preplanned)
In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). OSAS (when properly understood) is not a false doctrine. Hebrews 10:39 - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition. So there is no loss of salvation here. Only a failure to receive it.

So no, you can't simply believe and then commit any sin you want thinking you can't lose your salvation, because you can.
1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. So much for believers committing any sin they want. Show me where the Bible specifically says "lose salvation." It sounds to me like you have been thoroughly indoctrinated into church of Christ (Campbellism) theology.
 

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If Paul's faith did not save him, then he was confused when he wrote Ephesians 2:8,9. We are Spirit baptized (and not water baptized) into the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). You are confusing the picture with the reality. The washing away of sin by the blood of Christ is signified, yet not procured in the waters of baptism. We are forced to give this interpretation by the context. Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that faith, not water baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16, 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures.

As Greek Scholar A.T. Robertson explains: As in Romans 6:4-6 where baptism is the picture of death, burial and resurrection, so here baptism pictures the change that had already taken place when Paul surrendered to Jesus on the way. Baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ.

Again, water baptism is the picture, but not the reality. We are saved when we obey the gospel and we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16).

Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" Refusing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation is refusing to obey the gospel. The gospel is NOT "water baptized or condemned." That is a "different" gospel.

Spirit baptism (not water baptism) is how we get into the body of Christ when we believe the gospel. Where does the Bible say "come back out" of the body of Christ? Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Believers are sealed unto/for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30).

In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). OSAS (when properly understood) is not a false doctrine. Hebrews 10:39 - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition. So there is no loss of salvation here. Only a failure to receive it.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. So much for believers committing any sin they want. Show me where the Bible specifically says "lose salvation." It sounds to me like you have been thoroughly indoctrinated into church of Christ (Campbellism) theology.
so you don't believe apostle Peter committed sin because no one who is born of God practice sin?

seem to me Paul rebuke Peter, and I believe paul think what Peter did was sin.
 
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so you don't believe apostle Peter committed sin because no one who is born of God practice sin?

seem to me Paul rebuke Peter, and I believe paul think what Peter did was sin.
Are you talking about Galatians 2:11-15? There is a difference between "commit a sin" and continual, willful habitual sin (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11) which equates to no repentance, just bring it on.
 

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Are you talking about Galatians 2:11-15? There is a difference between "commit a sin" and continual, willful habitual sin (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11) which equates to no repentance, just bring it on.
Where in Scripture does it say the nature of; and sentence of God therein of sin changes based on its frequency?
 
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so you don't believe apostle Peter committed sin because no one who is born of God practice sin?

seem to me Paul rebuke Peter, and I believe paul think what Peter did was sin.
I believe that Peter committed a sin but he did not continue in that sin. Peter temporarily stumbled there but it wasn't continuous action. His life was not characterized by not being straightforward about the truth of the Gospel.
 
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Are you talking about Galatians 2:11-15? There is a difference between "commit a sin" and continual, willful habitual sin (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11) which equates to no repentance, just bring it on.
The wage is the same... eternal damnation never to rise to new spirit life ever again. To violate the least is to be found guilty of the whole law........eternal damnation never to rise to new spirit life ever again.


Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
 
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I believe that Peter committed a sin but he did not continue in that sin. Peter temporarily stumbled there but it wasn't continuous action. His life was not characterized by not being straightforward about the truth of the Gospel.
It would have been easy for God not to expose the sin of his people in the word. Make them all look like super Christians.

I think he shared their sins to us for a reason. For our benefit.. It gives us all hope They they were screw ups just like we are. Yes Gods grace love and mercy still prevailed. and they ended up doing mighty works for God inspite of their sin,
 
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The wage is the same... eternal damnation never to rise to new spirit life ever again. To violate the least is to be found guilty of the whole law........eternal damnation never to rise to new spirit life ever again.


Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

true to a person who is adopted child of God this does not pertain to.

Yes, if we commit even the smallest we still according to the law are guilty, But we are not under law but Grace. in fact, it is why we need grace to begin with.
 

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Are you talking about Galatians 2:11-15? There is a difference between "commit a sin" and continual, willful habitual sin (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11) which equates to no repentance, just bring it on.
Yup, but you quote no one that born of God practice sin, it do not say no one who born of God practice continuous sin.
 

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many certainly don't understand God's merciful Spirit...
yup but bible as a the only reliable source of who God is said if tree not bear fruit, He waits for a while, and there is a limit, and there is a time He will cut the tree, burn in hell


Matt 7
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.