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The reward of eternal life. Man also earns his reward of eternal damnation..Man earns his own just reward, Matt. 16-27
However, we do receive different rewards in this life time which are blessings from God..Matt. 6-4, 6-6, 6-18.
Matthew 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven:(the reward of eternal life) for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
. Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? (how can eternal life be gained in this manner of respecter of[persons) do not even the publicans the same?
Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. (no eternal life)
Matthew 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, (earnestly dispense the gospel)verily I say unto you,he shall in no wise lose his reward (if so done he will not lose eternal life)
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. (righteousness unto eternal life, 'the worthy", and iniquity unto eternal damnation, the unworthy)
Luke 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: (eternal life)for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets
Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, (great is the reward of eternal life) and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: (rewarded eternal life, or eternal damnation, according to the works done in the flesh) but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; (the reward of eternal damnation) and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
to be continued
However, we do receive different rewards in this life time which are blessings from God..Matt. 6-4, 6-6, 6-18.
Matthew 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven:(the reward of eternal life) for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
. Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? (how can eternal life be gained in this manner of respecter of[persons) do not even the publicans the same?
Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. (no eternal life)
Matthew 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, (earnestly dispense the gospel)verily I say unto you,he shall in no wise lose his reward (if so done he will not lose eternal life)
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. (righteousness unto eternal life, 'the worthy", and iniquity unto eternal damnation, the unworthy)
Luke 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: (eternal life)for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets
Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, (great is the reward of eternal life) and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: (rewarded eternal life, or eternal damnation, according to the works done in the flesh) but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; (the reward of eternal damnation) and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
to be continued
None of this proves your view.....end of story....the quotes in () are your addition......end of story and full stop!
In the grace you are, having been saved out of faith and that NOT of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast..
A GIFT cannot be earned as a reward....wake up
In the grace you are, having been saved out of faith and that NOT of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast..
A GIFT cannot be earned as a reward....wake up
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We are sinners saved by God's grace. We are also products of our sins, but we are no longer its prisoners. We are no longer slaves to sin, but we still sin. We are like the rising sun; we get better and better until the perfect noon day. We have be set free from the power of sin and death, but that doesn't mean will never sin again. We strive for perfection by trusting God to complete what He started in us. We aren't perfect in ourselves, but we are forgiven by God for past, present and future sins. We are perfect, blameless, and justified in God's presence, because of Jesus in us, we are the righteousness of Christ being totally complete, acceptable and pleasing in God's sight. God sees Jesus in us not our sin.
You don't believe in sinless perfection at all; so, haven't you answered you own questions with your belief? Only I am not sure I'd word it that way. I believe sinless perfection will be ours when we get our glorified state with Jesus (Transformed in the twinkle of a eye), right now we only have it by faith which is better than a known way. Faith is the substance of what we hope for and evidence of what we don't see, but it is there for us by faith and God's divine enabling.
We are just to forget the things behind and press forward to the high call of Christ in our life; we will have to do battle with our old nature for the rest of lives, but we are being transformed little at a time by His power.
You don't believe in sinless perfection at all; so, haven't you answered you own questions with your belief? Only I am not sure I'd word it that way. I believe sinless perfection will be ours when we get our glorified state with Jesus (Transformed in the twinkle of a eye), right now we only have it by faith which is better than a known way. Faith is the substance of what we hope for and evidence of what we don't see, but it is there for us by faith and God's divine enabling.
We are just to forget the things behind and press forward to the high call of Christ in our life; we will have to do battle with our old nature for the rest of lives, but we are being transformed little at a time by His power.
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The reward of eternal life, to he that endures to the end...Part 2
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[TD]Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh (religious works, of this, this, this, and this) is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. (the works of iniquity receive the wages of sin, which is death, eternal damnation).. the reward of grace unto the obedient servants is eternal salvation…
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[TD]1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. (again; the reward of eternal life is based upon the deeds done in the flesh, whether they be good or evil, likewise the reward of eternal damnation) eternal life to those who endure in faith, patience, and continuance, and death to the rebellious.
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[TD]1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive “a” reward. (the reward of sin is eternal damnation)
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[TD]15 If any man's work shall be burned, (die to self and the lusts of the flesh, ie the baptism of repentance) he shall suffer loss: see 1 Peter 4-1b ( but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire). The fire is the word of God that purifies>the baptism of fire has been upon the remnant believers, with persecutions, and great tribulation ever sense the day of Pentecost. The apostle John said he is our companion in tribulation, of which had already began, Rev 1-3b, 9. Jesus is said baptize with fire and the Holy Ghost.
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[TD]16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
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[TD]Colossians 3:24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. (The, singular, reward of eternal salvation in the world to come)
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[TD]Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh (religious works, of this, this, this, and this) is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. (the works of iniquity receive the wages of sin, which is death, eternal damnation).. the reward of grace unto the obedient servants is eternal salvation…
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[TD]1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. (again; the reward of eternal life is based upon the deeds done in the flesh, whether they be good or evil, likewise the reward of eternal damnation) eternal life to those who endure in faith, patience, and continuance, and death to the rebellious.
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[TD]1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive “a” reward. (the reward of sin is eternal damnation)
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[TD]15 If any man's work shall be burned, (die to self and the lusts of the flesh, ie the baptism of repentance) he shall suffer loss: see 1 Peter 4-1b ( but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire). The fire is the word of God that purifies>the baptism of fire has been upon the remnant believers, with persecutions, and great tribulation ever sense the day of Pentecost. The apostle John said he is our companion in tribulation, of which had already began, Rev 1-3b, 9. Jesus is said baptize with fire and the Holy Ghost.
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[TD]Colossians 3:24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. (The, singular, reward of eternal salvation in the world to come)
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But the old man/nature dies with Christ, right?
After conversion are you a sin-forgiven saint that will still sin or a sinner saved by grace that will still sin...
If you are always facing forward and God does not remember your sins no more, why should we?
Surely we can crucify the flesh right? Gal 5.24 tell us we can-
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
What fight is there with 2 natures if we have crucified the flesh and its desires?
I believe we have power over sin today....The OT & NT shows a clear distinction between sinner and saint, right?
Paul never greets the sinner in his letters he greets..............the saints.
See, I believe after conversion we are no longer sinners saved by grace....we became sin-forgiven saints, empowered by enabling grace to crucify the flesh and all its desires...enabling /empowering grace helps us do in our spirits what we cannot do in our flesh....This comes through intimate relationship and complete surrender to the potter...
It has now been 3 weeks since I last used profanity...does this make me perfect? or being perfectly conformed to his image?
It has been several, several years since I have stolen and coveted, does this make me perfect? or being perfectly conformed to his image?
I also believe the Bible teaches us that sin is a choice and not an action...it does not say anywhere that there are sins of ignorance in the new covenant...
I am not picking on you at all, just interested in your statements....
After conversion are you a sin-forgiven saint that will still sin or a sinner saved by grace that will still sin...
If you are always facing forward and God does not remember your sins no more, why should we?
Surely we can crucify the flesh right? Gal 5.24 tell us we can-
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
What fight is there with 2 natures if we have crucified the flesh and its desires?
I believe we have power over sin today....The OT & NT shows a clear distinction between sinner and saint, right?
Paul never greets the sinner in his letters he greets..............the saints.
See, I believe after conversion we are no longer sinners saved by grace....we became sin-forgiven saints, empowered by enabling grace to crucify the flesh and all its desires...enabling /empowering grace helps us do in our spirits what we cannot do in our flesh....This comes through intimate relationship and complete surrender to the potter...
It has now been 3 weeks since I last used profanity...does this make me perfect? or being perfectly conformed to his image?
It has been several, several years since I have stolen and coveted, does this make me perfect? or being perfectly conformed to his image?
I also believe the Bible teaches us that sin is a choice and not an action...it does not say anywhere that there are sins of ignorance in the new covenant...
I am not picking on you at all, just interested in your statements....
While you are twisting scripture so far out of context to prove something that it does not teach, you might as well throw this one in too and say women are only saved by bearing kids.....I mean...seeing how context means nothing to you
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
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one such false prophet, John McCarther, teaches that one can be a carnal-Christian, which is an oxymoron...He says that you dont lose your salvation by living in sin, but rather lose rewards...How lame is that? But people will by his books that merchandise your soul in the church of the gospel for dollars...anything and everything (all heresies) are for sale in the name of Jesus. Oh my! Or as Solomon said, as to the books of men there is no end...Truly professional merchandisers like their father Lucifer in Ezek. 28..
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My prayer is that many might see the false prophets on this site after scripture has stripped them naked in their theology. Yes they will continue night and day to argue in favor of sin and surely not die....However, you, the onlooker must decide. The truth is no driving force in the world, and the majority is always wrong, yet they still gravitate to the foolishness of strength in numbers....think back to Noah, he was out voted a million to one, but the truth still prevailed...They whole world loves this easy-greasy grace message and the Penal Substitution myth..God told Moses and the Israelites that HE allows false prophets to prove you....