WHY BARGAINING WITH DEMONS MAT. 8:31

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Matthew 8:31-32 King James Version (KJV)

So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

1. Why did Jesus granted the wish of demons?

2. Should we (the followers of Christ) pity demons?
 
Matthew 8:31-32 King James Version (KJV)

So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

1. Why did Jesus granted the wish of demons?

2. Should we (the followers of Christ) pity demons?

not the demons
but the men who have listened to them and are deceived thinking they are being led by the right spirit

when they aren't
 
Men who can't make a right judgement discerning the works wrought in GOD from the works wrought in "another lying muderous father"
 
And that goes also for the townspeople who couldn't make a right judgement concerning the man who had been healed and who was now sitting in his right mind and who could now be restored to the community
 
Jesus did not bargain with them and the bigger picture is even the demons are subject to his will....more proof of who he is.....
 
Matthew 8:31-32 King James Version (KJV)

So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

1. Why did Jesus granted the wish of demons?

2. Should we (the followers of Christ) pity demons?

No bargaining needed, demons dont understand nature,
 
Demons are desperate creatures with a need to inhabit some body.

They are stuck between physical and spiritual worlds.
 
Jesus just granted their wish, he didn't need to bargain.

As for pitying demons, I don't remember coming across any verses relating to the topic. So, anything would probably just be speculation... We should stay away from that when studying Scripture.
 
Matthew 8:31-32 King James Version (KJV)

So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

1. Why did Jesus granted the wish of demons?

2. Should we (the followers of Christ) pity demons?

1. The people ran in to the city shouting, and the people came out and were amazed. If Lord Jesus cast them out then not as many people would have seen the miracle. God doesn't do miracles in front of the unbelieving, He left the places of the people who didn't have faith.

2. No, these things would happily jump on you while you are praying and put blasphemy in your mouth while praying so that God would kill you. They hate you, they hate everything about you. They hate God and everything good from God. These malicious disgusting things laugh at perversion, because people made in the image of God corrupting themselves bring them sick pleasure.

Transhumanism makes more sense when you understand that the corrupt spirit pushing the idea hates God, and thus hates the image of God. So too with transexuals, they are relentless in telling people to mutilate themselves and pervert everything, that's why 'transgenderism' is becoming such a big thing. Now there's 3 year olds being put on hormone therapy and mutilated by their sodomite parents, etc.

What I learned is don't feel pity for God's enemies, it really displeases God.
 
Jesus told them where to go and so should we

we should pity those who refuse instruction and yet want to teach

not saying that is you, but just sayin'
 
Note what this passage brings up:"..torture us before the appointed time?" Let me ask you: What is the appointed time of torture? Who has appointed it? and what say you was the motivation in the demons asking to be transferred into pigs? Was it respect of Jesus' position? And was it to keep within the effectiveness of the anti-gods missions? If so how? In addition what did the demons ask that wasn't included in what happened? They asked to be transferred into swine, say, over a man. Was this out of respect knowing God would not approve of it in a man? Is it only the Demons here negotiating and not Jesus? Never did they ask to be drowned. Yet, Jesus knew to drown them, and not drown a man. In addition what happened because He used the swine? The pig farmers went to town and spoke of the event splitting the town over Jesus' insights of things to the world's perspective bringing on His ultimate purposes for being there.

I could really use His omniscience sometimes myself! Smile.But, at least I have His Spirit.
 
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Matthew 8:31-32 King James Version (KJV)

So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

1. Why did Jesus granted the wish of demons?

2. Should we (the followers of Christ) pity demons?

By sending the demons into the pigs; 1 Jesus got them out of the man; 2 They went into the pigs and Everybody saw that the demons came out of the man; 3 The people could clearly see that Jesus had the authority to do anything
 
When Jesus came to the other side of the lake, These men were so fierce that they were a danger to passers-by, and the prudent traveller would give them a very wide berth indeed.

W. M. Thomson in The Land and the Book tells us that he himself, in the nineteenth century, saw men who were exactly like these two demon-possessed men in the tombs at Gadara:


There are some very similar cases at the present day--furious and dangerous maniacs, who wander about the mountains and sleep in eaves and tombs. In their worst paroxysms they are quite unmanageable, and prodigiously strong.... And it is one of the most common traits of this madness that the victims refuse to wear clothes. I have often seen them absolutely naked in the crowded streets of Beirut and Sidon. There are also cases in which they run wildly about the country and frighten the whole neighborhood."

Apart from anything else, Jesus showed a most unusual courage in stopping to speak to these two men at all.

If we really want the details of this story we have to go to Mark. Mark's narrative (Mark 5:1-19) is much longer, and what Matthew gives us is only a summary. This is a miracle story, many have found it strange and have considered it heartless that Jesus should destroy a herd of animals like this. But it is almost certain that Jesus did not in fact deliberately destroy the pigs. We must try to visualize what happened.

The men were shouting and shrieking (Mark 5:7; Luke 8:28). We must remember that they were completely convinced that they were occupied by demons. Now it was normal and orthodox belief, shared by everyone, that when the Messiah and the time of judgment came, the demons would be destroyed. That is what the men meant when they asked Jesus why he had come to torture them before the proper time. They were so convinced that they were possessed by demons that nothing could have rid them of that conviction other than visible demonstration that the demons had gone out of them.

Something had to be done which to them would be unanswerable proof. Almost certainly what happened was that their shouting and shrieking alarmed the herd of pigs; and in their terror the pigs took to flight and plunged into the lake. Water was fatal to demons. There upon Jesus seized the chance which had come to him. "Look," he said. "Look at these swine; they are gone into the depths of the lake and your demons are gone with them for ever." Jesus knew that in no other way could he ever convince these two men that they were in fact cured. If that be so, Jesus did not deliberately destroy the herd of swine. He used their stampede to help two poor sufferers believe in their cure.

Even if Jesus did deliberately work the destruction of this herd of pigs, it could surely never be held against him. There is such a thing as being over-fastidious or overly attentive. T. R. Glover spoke of people who think they are being religious when in fact they are being fastidious.

We could never compare the value of a herd of swine with the value of a man's immortal soul. It is unlikely that we refuse to eat bacon for breakfast or pork for dinner. Our sympathy with pigs does not extend far enough to prevent our eating them; are we then to complain if Jesus restored sanity to two men's minds at the cost of a herd of pigs? This is not to say that we encourage or even condone cruelty to animals. It is simply to say that we must preserve a sense of proportion in life.

The supreme tragedy of this story lies in its conclusion. Those who were herding the pigs ran back to the town and told what had happened; and the result was that the people of the town besought Jesus to leave their territory at once.

Here is human selfishness at its worst. It did not matter to these people that two men had been given back their reason; all that mattered to them was that their pigs had perished. It is so often the case that people in effect say, "I don't care what happens to anyone else, if my profits and my comfort and my ease are preserved." We may be amazed at the callousness of these people of Gadara, but we must have a care that we too do not resent any helping of others which reduces our own privileges.
 
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When Jesus came to the other side of the lake, These men were so fierce that they were a danger to passers-by, and the prudent traveller would give them a very wide berth indeed.

W. M. Thomson in The Land and the Book tells us that he himself, in the nineteenth century, saw men who were exactly like these two demon-possessed men in the tombs at Gadara:




Apart from anything else, Jesus showed a most unusual courage in stopping to speak to these two men at all.

If we really want the details of this story we have to go to Mark. Mark's narrative (Mark 5:1-19) is much longer, and what Matthew gives us is only a summary. This is a miracle story, many have found it strange and have considered it heartless that Jesus should destroy a herd of animals like this. But it is almost certain that Jesus did not in fact deliberately destroy the pigs. We must try to visualize what happened.

The men were shouting and shrieking (Mark 5:7; Luke 8:28). We must remember that they were completely convinced that they were occupied by demons. Now it was normal and orthodox belief, shared by everyone, that when the Messiah and the time of judgment came, the demons would be destroyed. That is what the men meant when they asked Jesus why he had come to torture them before the proper time. They were so convinced that they were possessed by demons that nothing could have rid them of that conviction other than visible demonstration that the demons had gone out of them.

Something had to be done which to them would be unanswerable proof. Almost certainly what happened was that their shouting and shrieking alarmed the herd of pigs; and in their terror the pigs took to flight and plunged into the lake. Water was fatal to demons. There upon Jesus seized the chance which had come to him. "Look," he said. "Look at these swine; they are gone into the depths of the lake and your demons are gone with them for ever." Jesus knew that in no other way could he ever convince these two men that they were in fact cured. If that be so, Jesus did not deliberately destroy the herd of swine. He used their stampede to help two poor sufferers believe in their cure.

Even if Jesus did deliberately work the destruction of this herd of pigs, it could surely never be held against him. There is such a thing as being over-fastidious or overly attentive. T. R. Glover spoke of people who think they are being religious when in fact they are being fastidious.

We could never compare the value of a herd of swine with the value of a man's immortal soul. It is unlikely that we refuse to eat bacon for breakfast or pork for dinner. Our sympathy with pigs does not extend far enough to prevent our eating them; are we then to complain if Jesus restored sanity to two men's minds at the cost of a herd of pigs? This is not to say that we encourage or even condone cruelty to animals. It is simply to say that we must preserve a sense of proportion in life.

The supreme tragedy of this story lies in its conclusion. Those who were herding the pigs ran back to the town and told what had happened; and the result was that the people of the town besought Jesus to leave their territory at once.

Here is human selfishness at its worst. It did not matter to these people that two men had been given back their reason; all that mattered to them was that their pigs had perished. It is so often the case that people in effect say, "I don't care what happens to anyone else, if my profits and my comfort and my ease are preserved." We may be amazed at the callousness of these people of Gadara, but we must have a care that we too do not resent any helping of others which reduces our own privileges.

I think the best thing a Christian could do is not reading the letters, but getting the understanding of God to diffuse the mystery of the word of God. Slave has said it all.

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When Jesus came to the other side of the lake, These men were so fierce that they were a danger to passers-by, and the prudent traveller would give them a very wide berth indeed.

W. M. Thomson in The Land and the Book tells us that he himself, in the nineteenth century, saw men who were exactly like these two demon-possessed men in the tombs at Gadara:




Apart from anything else, Jesus showed a most unusual courage in stopping to speak to these two men at all.

If we really want the details of this story we have to go to Mark. Mark's narrative (Mark 5:1-19) is much longer, and what Matthew gives us is only a summary. This is a miracle story, many have found it strange and have considered it heartless that Jesus should destroy a herd of animals like this. But it is almost certain that Jesus did not in fact deliberately destroy the pigs. We must try to visualize what happened.

The men were shouting and shrieking (Mark 5:7; Luke 8:28). We must remember that they were completely convinced that they were occupied by demons. Now it was normal and orthodox belief, shared by everyone, that when the Messiah and the time of judgment came, the demons would be destroyed. That is what the men meant when they asked Jesus why he had come to torture them before the proper time. They were so convinced that they were possessed by demons that nothing could have rid them of that conviction other than visible demonstration that the demons had gone out of them.

Something had to be done which to them would be unanswerable proof. Almost certainly what happened was that their shouting and shrieking alarmed the herd of pigs; and in their terror the pigs took to flight and plunged into the lake. Water was fatal to demons. There upon Jesus seized the chance which had come to him. "Look," he said. "Look at these swine; they are gone into the depths of the lake and your demons are gone with them for ever." Jesus knew that in no other way could he ever convince these two men that they were in fact cured. If that be so, Jesus did not deliberately destroy the herd of swine. He used their stampede to help two poor sufferers believe in their cure.

Even if Jesus did deliberately work the destruction of this herd of pigs, it could surely never be held against him. There is such a thing as being over-fastidious or overly attentive. T. R. Glover spoke of people who think they are being religious when in fact they are being fastidious.

We could never compare the value of a herd of swine with the value of a man's immortal soul. It is unlikely that we refuse to eat bacon for breakfast or pork for dinner. Our sympathy with pigs does not extend far enough to prevent our eating them; are we then to complain if Jesus restored sanity to two men's minds at the cost of a herd of pigs? This is not to say that we encourage or even condone cruelty to animals. It is simply to say that we must preserve a sense of proportion in life.

The supreme tragedy of this story lies in its conclusion. Those who were herding the pigs ran back to the town and told what had happened; and the result was that the people of the town besought Jesus to leave their territory at once.

Here is human selfishness at its worst. It did not matter to these people that two men had been given back their reason; all that mattered to them was that their pigs had perished. It is so often the case that people in effect say, "I don't care what happens to anyone else, if my profits and my comfort and my ease are preserved." We may be amazed at the callousness of these people of Gadara, but we must have a care that we too do not resent any helping of others which reduces our own privileges.
Slave, did you write this? You know that most of it is complete nonsense? Water is fatal to demons? NOT.

The people herding the pigs were most likely not Jews, because Jews don't eat pork. They were classified as unclean.

The men only thought they were possessed? NOT

They knew they were possessed. That's why they came to Jesus to start with.
The people did not want Jesus around because he destroyed their pigs? NOT..

They were frightened by the display of the kicking out of the demons. and the result.

The people did not care about the man? NOT Read the account in Mark 5 Read the entire chapter..... I'm sorry my friend. You have the whole thing wrong.
 
Big write ups over a simple thing, the pigs weren't going to allow demons to remain in them they rather drown then deal with that. The demons knew not of that truth.
 
Jesus told them where to go and so should we

we should pity those who refuse instruction and yet want to teach

not saying that is you, but just sayin'
And JESUS would have said:
Do not stop them

for those who are for HIM are not against HIM
And those who gather do not scatter
 
Matthew 8:31-32 King James Version (KJV)

So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

1. Why did Jesus granted the wish of demons?

2. Should we (the followers of Christ) pity demons?
I wouldn't pity demons. Don't know why Jesus granted their wish. Maybe he already intended to send them into the swine.
 
swine are 'un-clean' - they got what they asked for...

if anyone pities the adversaries and haters of The Holy Saviour,
they are definitely going to stay where they are, 'dead'...
 
This place where jesus went did not ask for him nor cared for him or his purpose. This was a place where they raised and slaghtered pigs. beleive it or not they were jews. Jesus was led by the spirit to this place where he saw and comfronted this posessed person . The demons witnessed who he was and what atthority he held. Suffering the demons to go into the pigs was a safe bet that they would not go to the hot dry place to look for another host. when the pigs went over the cliff and drowned the residence became furious at jesus because that was a profit loss. They didnt care about the posessed man and his delivernce only about the loss of money they could of made.
They escorted jesus off and told him never to return.