Not By Works

[Meggido]

I answered, and I will reiterate.

Fear does not stop sin, you may think it is but you are waging the battle but it is in your own effort.

We are transformed by His Grace not fear.

we are not saying what you think we are saying at all...Titus 2.11-15 is about empowering grace...and this does help us do in our spirit what we cannot do in our flesh....Fear in terms of reverential relationship with Father does keep me from sin...it is a pity you cannot grasp this....

You are transformed by relationship with him and not just his grace and this is where you show yourself not approved as a master swordsman of the word...

The Battle is never mine it is always God's....

 

[UnderGrace]

Well maybe godly sorrow is genuine sorrow.

Not sure.

What is the difference between godly sorrow and worldly sorrow?

Trying to figure out how to explain my thoughts.

 

[Meggido]

Yes, the cross is not a burden, it is an instrument of death, Jesus was telling the people listening that they needed to be crucified with Him so that they could partake on His victory.

no kidding whats next....oh sorry you thought ya got me!??!?! Drats ...sorry to disappoint you...

All you are doing is being assumption based....you are assuming things about us that hold no weight and are not true...

 

[Meggido]

Reverance of God has its place in a person's walk.

If you are disobedient you should be afraid of the consequences, it does help you remember to pay attention to how you walk. Allows you to tame your tongue, etc.

There is a difference between godly sorrow and worldly sorrow.

In the same way there is a difference between fear of God and fear of the world.

When you make comments like this, It does my heart good like a medicine because it is your own thought and heart speaking and not anything else...

 

[JoDel]

Dude, You need to back off. You can't take your own medicine that's on you not us.

If you can not handle the heat of people disagreeing with you, Maybe you need to go elsewhere.

He does... apparently visits "narcissists.com" .... kinda makes you wonder...

 

[Meggido]

I shared what I had read many years ago.

And as far as I can see with the many people who have shared. No one has proven me wrong.

what youhave there is one mans idea.

dude...I know it gets heated, but really, when we mess up we own it....regardless of doctrine, we have to own it...

 

[UnderGrace]

If you say so.

I know my walk, and when I was trying to carry some unknown burden for Jesus and where I am now, coming to understand the complete work of Jesus and living in His Victory.

Continue on in your self effort or self-denial and carrying your cross if that is what you want.

I do not spend time on here for my benefit, I have other places I could spend my time, but Jesus came to set us free and that is where I will stay in His freedom.

Like Grace77, EG, Dcon and Mailmandan and others we are hoping to persuade whoever will listen that the battle is already won and we rest in Him.

End of discourse with you because you are another one who makes it personal.

no kidding whats next....oh sorry you thought ya got me!??!?! Drats ...sorry to disappoint you...

All you are doing is being assumption based....you are assuming things about us that hold no weight and are not true...

 

[Meggido]

I believe the fear of the Lord is like the Law.,,, it leads us to Christ.

It's bedtime.

Night all.

Ariel the fear of the Lord is all about relationship....not every thing in the OT is about the law....this is another travesty grace theology does..it marginalizes OT scripture to the point of irrelevance...

The Fear of the Lord is not leading us to Christ, it is about how to have relationship with him....

 

[Meggido]

So are you saying you do not believe that Jesus fulfilled the debt completely. There is some part that is not paid

Even if those words ,it is finished, do not mean paid in full, Paul clearly states...

Galatians 3:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ paid the price to free us from the curse that the laws in Moses’ Teachings bring by becoming cursed instead of us. Scripture says, “Everyone who is hung on a tree is cursed.” [SUP]14 [/SUP]Christ paid the price so that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to all the people of the world through Jesus Christ and we would receive the promised Spirit through faith.

quite to the contrary....I believe what 1 Peter 1.17-20 says

[SUP]17 [/SUP]If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; [SUP]18 [/SUP]knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, [SUP]19 [/SUP]but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you [SUP]21 [/SUP]who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

 

[UnderGrace]

Thank you Grace777x 70!!

And Thank you God, for your Grace because it is truly amazing!!

There is no fear in love and grace is the highest form of love.

Before I go - I will post this about grace - it is for all of us throughout all of our lives - from being babes in the Lord to being fully matured sons/daughters of our loving Father and be are one with our Lord Jesus Christ forever joined as one spirit with Him.

I wonder if this "Christian" thing has anything to do with "grace" that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior?

It looks like we have received - grace upon grace through the Lord Jesus Christ

John 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

It looks like we "believe through grace".. ( I'm sure they really meant that we are saved because of the good works we do...)

Acts 18:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Paul said that it was the grace of God that would give the believers their inheritance and it was able to build them up. ( Maybe that's not really important...)

Acts 20:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Paul said for Timothy to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. ( He probably didn't really mean it.... )


2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.


The apostles said that we are saved by the grace of God ( They probably really meant to say - you are saved by works.)..

Acts 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."


Paul says that we are justified "freely" by grace....( He really meant to say - we are justified and continue to be saved by all the good works we do... )

Romans 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


Paul says that when we receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness - we reign in life through Christ alone. ( He really meant to say that - those who do good works all the days of their life will receive grace and the gift of righteousness )

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.


Then Paul was really messed up when he told the Ephesians this scripture below- ( He really meant to say - you must do good works in order to create and maintain salvation - Paul was just having an "off" day when he wrote Ephesians )

( And God has even prepared the good works for us to walk in as a result of having His grace that saves us and not by any works - we get to participate in the family business of telling people of the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them )


Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.


Here Paul told Timothy that God saved us according to His own purpose and grace - not according to our works...( He really meant to say - He will save us if we do enough good works...again Paul was having an "off" day )

2 Timothy 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,



Peter says to fix our hope "completely" on the grace that comes with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. ( It's most likely a mis-print in all 5,000 manuscripts - he really meant to tell us to fix our hope on our good works because you could end up in hell if you don't do enough of them..)

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.


Conclusion - this "grace stuff" is really not important at all. We can "do our own works" - and God will be happy with us...

 

[Meggido]

Not going to happen, I will always preach the power of Grace in the life of the believer and I find your comment rather rude.

You are Biblically ignorant of the Fear of the Lord is, yet you sashay around crying grace, grace, grace....I do not disagree on anything about what you have said about grace....I take issue with people that continue to claim something they have no idea about...you think I was being rude? The truth strips pride sister...come to full age, act like a big sister of the faith and admit when you have no clue abut the fear of the Lord.

The fear of the Lord is relationship with him.....period. and not a relationship based on terror...

 

[Meggido]

Well maybe godly sorrow is genuine sorrow.

Not sure.

2 Cor 7.10 answers this question.....


[SUP]10 [/SUP]For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.

Godly sorrow is one that does not regret leaving behind the things of the world....

simply put this means that you are not sorry you got caught doing sin and will go right back to sin, after coming to Jesus and accepting his grace....

 

[Meggido]

If you say so.

I know my walk, and when I was trying to carry some unknown burden for Jesus and where I am now, coming to understand the complete work of Jesus and living in His Victory.

Continue on in your self effort or self-denial and carrying your cross if that is what you want.

I do not spend time on here for my benefit, I have other places I could spend my time, but Jesus came to set us free and that is where I will stay in His freedom.

Like Grace77, EG, Dcon and Mailmandan and others we are hoping to persuade whoever will listen that the battle is already won and we rest in Him.

End of discourse with you because you are another one who makes it personal.

I can assure you I rest in him more than you give me credit for....why do you continue to try to convince me and others of true victory and rest....this is what Paul calls a very elemental doctrine in Hebrews 6....that we should not constantly be laying a foundation on...


Personal!?!? wow, come to full age sister...

 

[Burninglight]

It is Finished! PTL

 

[JoDel]

What is the difference between godly sorrow and worldly sorrow?

Trying to figure out how to explain my thoughts.

I've experienced both. Worldly sorrow is how we feel and react to what affects "us".~ Godly sorrow is how we feel about the things that affect our relationship with God. It's deeper and pure and selfless. Holy Spirit "induced"... I guess is a good descriptive. IMO

 

[JoDel]

If you had any sense you would be quiet right now, because you have no idea what you are saying....

Arrogance, condescension, disrespect and lacking humility... wow, you should be proud to speak to another person like that. And you preach the Love of God? hmmm Great representative...

 

[JoDel]

If you say so.

I know my walk, and when I was trying to carry some unknown burden for Jesus and where I am now, coming to understand the complete work of Jesus and living in His Victory.

Continue on in your self effort or self-denial and carrying your cross if that is what you want.

I do not spend time on here for my benefit, I have other places I could spend my time, but Jesus came to set us free and that is where I will stay in His freedom.

Like Grace77, EG, Dcon and Mailmandan and others we are hoping to persuade whoever will listen that the battle is already won and we rest in Him.

End of discourse with you because you are another one who makes it personal.

Waste of time with this sort, Grace. When disrespect, arrogance, pride and condescension are present... the "spirit" of the conversation has changed. So sorry you had to endure that...

 

[JoDel]

If you had any sense you would be quiet right now, because you have no idea what you are saying....

Do you worship and praise the Lord with that mouth?!

 

[JoDel]

If you had any sense you would be quiet right now, because you have no idea what you are saying....

This is how you speak to a fellow lover of Jesus Christ? Jesus said, "This commandment I give you... to LOVE one another..." Whether your views are sympatico or different, RESPECT should always be foremost in treating someone with dignity. You fall short on all accounts. Not only this post, but MANY I have perused. Shame on you for denying the action of the commandment orated by our Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[JoDel]

I can assure you I rest in him more than you give me credit for....why do you continue to try to convince me and others of true victory and rest....this is what Paul calls a very elemental doctrine in Hebrews 6....that we should not constantly be laying a foundation on...


Personal!?!? wow, come to full age sister...

Beration and belittlement are examples of "resting in the Lord"?... hardly. Maybe learning the humility and dignity of civil "discussions" rather than tearing away at a fellow lover of Jesus,, (quite the opposite of edification of our brothers and sisters in the Lord) would benefit you well.