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preceptaustin.com and be honest EG you pulled out only what you deemed relevant and not the whole entry, which if you read further down, shows that many preachers said, Paid in Full is only a tip of what finished really means and that it means much more than that...
TETELESTAI-Paid in Full | Precept Austin
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TETELESTAI-Paid in Full | Precept Austin
its all right here
Before I go - I will post this about grace - it is for all of us throughout all of our lives - from being babes in the Lord to being fully matured sons/daughters of our loving Father and be are one with our Lord Jesus Christ forever joined as one spirit with Him.
I wonder if this "Christian" thing has anything to do with "grace" that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior?
It looks like we have received - grace upon grace through the Lord Jesus Christ
John 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
It looks like we "believe through grace".. ( I'm sure they really meant that we are saved because of the good works we do...)
Acts 18:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Paul said that it was the grace of God that would give the believers their inheritance and it was able to build them up. ( Maybe that's not really important...)
Acts 20:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Paul said for Timothy to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. ( He probably didn't really mean it.... )
2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
The apostles said that we are saved by the grace of God ( They probably really meant to say - you are saved by works.)..
Acts 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."
Paul says that we are justified "freely" by grace....( He really meant to say - we are justified and continue to be saved by all the good works we do... )
Romans 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Paul says that when we receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness - we reign in life through Christ alone. ( He really meant to say that - those who do good works all the days of their life will receive grace and the gift of righteousness )
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Then Paul was really messed up when he told the Ephesians this scripture below- ( He really meant to say - you must do good works in order to create and maintain salvation - Paul was just having an "off" day when he wrote Ephesians )
( And God has even prepared the good works for us to walk in as a result of having His grace that saves us and not by any works - we get to participate in the family business of telling people of the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them )
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Here Paul told Timothy that God saved us according to His own purpose and grace - not according to our works...( He really meant to say - He will save us if we do enough good works...again Paul was having an "off" day )
2 Timothy 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,
Peter says to fix our hope "completely" on the grace that comes with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. ( It's most likely a mis-print in all 5,000 manuscripts - he really meant to tell us to fix our hope on our good works because you could end up in hell if you don't do enough of them..)
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Conclusion - this "grace stuff" is really not important at all. We can "do our own works" - and God will be happy with us...
I wonder if this "Christian" thing has anything to do with "grace" that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior?
It looks like we have received - grace upon grace through the Lord Jesus Christ
John 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
It looks like we "believe through grace".. ( I'm sure they really meant that we are saved because of the good works we do...)
Acts 18:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Paul said that it was the grace of God that would give the believers their inheritance and it was able to build them up. ( Maybe that's not really important...)
Acts 20:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Paul said for Timothy to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. ( He probably didn't really mean it.... )
2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
The apostles said that we are saved by the grace of God ( They probably really meant to say - you are saved by works.)..
Acts 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."
Paul says that we are justified "freely" by grace....( He really meant to say - we are justified and continue to be saved by all the good works we do... )
Romans 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Paul says that when we receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness - we reign in life through Christ alone. ( He really meant to say that - those who do good works all the days of their life will receive grace and the gift of righteousness )
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Then Paul was really messed up when he told the Ephesians this scripture below- ( He really meant to say - you must do good works in order to create and maintain salvation - Paul was just having an "off" day when he wrote Ephesians )
( And God has even prepared the good works for us to walk in as a result of having His grace that saves us and not by any works - we get to participate in the family business of telling people of the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them )
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Here Paul told Timothy that God saved us according to His own purpose and grace - not according to our works...( He really meant to say - He will save us if we do enough good works...again Paul was having an "off" day )
2 Timothy 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,
Peter says to fix our hope "completely" on the grace that comes with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. ( It's most likely a mis-print in all 5,000 manuscripts - he really meant to tell us to fix our hope on our good works because you could end up in hell if you don't do enough of them..)
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Conclusion - this "grace stuff" is really not important at all. We can "do our own works" - and God will be happy with us...
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And once again you show how painfully deaf you are. You have a one track, dogmatic mind. It won't even let you hear what a person is saying. You've been proving that over and over and over again. You only know one way to listen when it comes to doctrine.....your way.
Note, I'm not saying you're deaf because you won't agree with me. You don't have to agree with me. I'm saying you literally can't even understand what is being said to you! That's not an honest discussion. That's getting bullied and beat and shamed into submission instead of actually engaging your opponent in open honest discussion. But that's what narcissists do. They don't listen and instead beat down, and they surely can never admit when they've been wrong.
Note, I'm not saying you're deaf because you won't agree with me. You don't have to agree with me. I'm saying you literally can't even understand what is being said to you! That's not an honest discussion. That's getting bullied and beat and shamed into submission instead of actually engaging your opponent in open honest discussion. But that's what narcissists do. They don't listen and instead beat down, and they surely can never admit when they've been wrong.
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God is God and of course we have reverence for all that He is.
All I can say is that the victorious walk is based uponRomans 6:6 “KNOWING that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of death may be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.”
We partake of His grace, focus on sin and you will sin more, focus on Jesus and what He accomplished you will be victorious.
Fear does not enter into the equation, it is about believing and knowing what God said is true and letting that form in you.
All I can say is that the victorious walk is based uponRomans 6:6 “KNOWING that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of death may be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.”
We partake of His grace, focus on sin and you will sin more, focus on Jesus and what He accomplished you will be victorious.
Fear does not enter into the equation, it is about believing and knowing what God said is true and letting that form in you.
Are you really still this unlearned about what the Fear of the Lord really is....it has nothing to do with fearing sin...
PS: I am not afraid of sin in the least bit, because it has no dominion over me.....I do Fear the Lord because of the benefits it provides my in my daily life...below are some of those benefits and promises I receive when I fear the Lord...
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Then you will discern the fear of the Lord And discover the knowledge of God.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
The fear of the Lord prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.
In the fear of the Lord there is strong confidence, And his children will have refuge.
The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, That one may avoid the snares of death.
Better is a little with the fear of the Lord Than great treasure and turmoil with it.
The fear of the Lord is the instruction for wisdom, And before honor comes humility.
By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for, And by the fear of the Lord one keeps away from evil.<<<<this one is really awesome.....you should try it some time...
The fear of the Lord leads to life, So that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil.
The reward of humility and the fear of the Lord Are riches, honor and life.
Do not let your heart envy sinners, But live in the fear of the Lord always.
“And to man He said, ‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; And to depart from evil is understanding.’”
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the Lord are true; they are righteous altogether.
This next one is another biggee you should learn:
The secret of the Lord is for those who fear Him, And He will make them know His covenant.
Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear Him, On those who hope for His lovingkindness,
The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, And rescues them.
But the lovingkindness of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting on those who fear Him, And His righteousness to children’s children,
PS: I am not afraid of sin in the least bit, because it has no dominion over me.....I do Fear the Lord because of the benefits it provides my in my daily life...below are some of those benefits and promises I receive when I fear the Lord...
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Then you will discern the fear of the Lord And discover the knowledge of God.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
The fear of the Lord prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.
In the fear of the Lord there is strong confidence, And his children will have refuge.
The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, That one may avoid the snares of death.
Better is a little with the fear of the Lord Than great treasure and turmoil with it.
The fear of the Lord is the instruction for wisdom, And before honor comes humility.
By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for, And by the fear of the Lord one keeps away from evil.<<<<this one is really awesome.....you should try it some time...
The fear of the Lord leads to life, So that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil.
The reward of humility and the fear of the Lord Are riches, honor and life.
Do not let your heart envy sinners, But live in the fear of the Lord always.
“And to man He said, ‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; And to depart from evil is understanding.’”
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the Lord are true; they are righteous altogether.
This next one is another biggee you should learn:
The secret of the Lord is for those who fear Him, And He will make them know His covenant.
Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear Him, On those who hope for His lovingkindness,
The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, And rescues them.
But the lovingkindness of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting on those who fear Him, And His righteousness to children’s children,
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James 3
17But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Ephesians 4:2
with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love,
Philippians 4:5
Let your gentle spirit be known to all men. The Lord is near.
17But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Ephesians 4:2
with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love,
Philippians 4:5
Let your gentle spirit be known to all men. The Lord is near.
U
So are you saying you do not believe that Jesus fulfilled the debt completely. There is some part that is not paid
Even if those words ,it is finished, do not mean paid in full, Paul clearly states...
Galatians 3:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ paid the price to free us from the curse that the laws in Moses’ Teachings bring by becoming cursed instead of us. Scripture says, “Everyone who is hung on a tree is cursed.” [SUP]14 [/SUP]Christ paid the price so that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to all the people of the world through Jesus Christ and we would receive the promised Spirit through faith.
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I always defined them as...
Godly sorrow is that you realize what you did was wrong and you regret the hurt and pain of your actions. You admit to rebelling against God.
Worldly sorrow is that you only regret getting caught and having to pay the fine or accept punishment.
In the same way..
Godly fear means you respect God and want to follow His rules and show His love to others. It actually empowers you.
Worldly fear cripples you because you are afraid of punishment.
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Was going to bed but had to throw a pie at you first (haha)
Lol (got you back first)
Godly sorrow is that you realize what you did was wrong and you regret the hurt and pain of your actions. You admit to rebelling against God.
Worldly sorrow is that you only regret getting caught and having to pay the fine or accept punishment.
In the same way..
Godly fear means you respect God and want to follow His rules and show His love to others. It actually empowers you.
Worldly fear cripples you because you are afraid of punishment.
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Was going to bed but had to throw a pie at you first (haha)
Lol (got you back first)
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