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Ariel - I do not think Bill takes any medication, and I was not thinking of him.
I was speaking generally, and how anti-anxiety medication does tend to remove one
from the situation.
benzodiazepines - emotional anaesthesia
These drugs remove the patient from the situation and dull their sense of engagement.
The truth is if we ignore the effects of these powerful drugs on people and their convictions
and ability to engage or take on board nuanced points about belief and feelings, it becomes
almost pointless to expect a balanced response.
If you want better understanding, google them.
I was speaking generally, and how anti-anxiety medication does tend to remove one
from the situation.
benzodiazepines - emotional anaesthesia
These drugs remove the patient from the situation and dull their sense of engagement.
The truth is if we ignore the effects of these powerful drugs on people and their convictions
and ability to engage or take on board nuanced points about belief and feelings, it becomes
almost pointless to expect a balanced response.
If you want better understanding, google them.
I agree, although I really wasn't following along....
Here's what I agree with:
If a person needs medicine, he does better WITH the medicine than without it.
This is common knowledge.
Some believe it's harmful or desensitizes us in some way, it's their prerogative to believe whatever they want to.
We each have our own beliefs.
Here's what I agree with:
If a person needs medicine, he does better WITH the medicine than without it.
This is common knowledge.
Some believe it's harmful or desensitizes us in some way, it's their prerogative to believe whatever they want to.
We each have our own beliefs.
I would think the key would be the kind of fear giving us strength because of Christ’s labor of love or work of His faith. We fear Him because with him there is forgiveness. Without him there is none. As we are informed in Psalms, if Christ would take into account even the least of all sins they would be guilty of violating the whole law ….therfore who could stand before his throne of mercy and receive His grace in respect to His finished work. Just one sin of eating the forbidden fruit of self righteousness brings eternal damnation never to rise to new spirit life again .
He informs us with Him there in plenty of forgiveness… he forgives all sins, past, present and future therefore giving us the confidence if he has begun the good work of salvation he will finish it to the end of the matter.
Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O LORD.Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications.If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning. Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities. Psa 130:1-8
A proper fear is necessary to know Him. Some might offer their good or wonderful works turning things up side down making self righteousness their fear according to the dead works they offer towards God (dead faith). Christ’s informs us he does not know that kind who crucify Him over and over subjecting him to public shame. He did not say they did not prophecy in His name or cast out demons according to the authority of God.But simply I never knew you depart from me you who work inquity according to the idea of self rightousness .
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:22
He informs us with Him there in plenty of forgiveness… he forgives all sins, past, present and future therefore giving us the confidence if he has begun the good work of salvation he will finish it to the end of the matter.
Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O LORD.Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications.If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning. Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities. Psa 130:1-8
A proper fear is necessary to know Him. Some might offer their good or wonderful works turning things up side down making self righteousness their fear according to the dead works they offer towards God (dead faith). Christ’s informs us he does not know that kind who crucify Him over and over subjecting him to public shame. He did not say they did not prophecy in His name or cast out demons according to the authority of God.But simply I never knew you depart from me you who work inquity according to the idea of self rightousness .
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:22
gb9 - I want to make a simple point to you, I hope you can understand it.
It is easy to say, I believe something unless it appears in a bad light.
Or I believe this idea, but there are no contradictions in this position.
By showing contradictions or putting a different case is not bearing false witness.
God is talking about lying about ones neighbour.
You cannot be lying by stating something that is true. It is this aspect you cannot actually
accept. I am not here to defend myself, I am here to try and understand your point,
as a sin against anyone I take seriously.
But you again have failed to say how I am sinning. Mentioning something without
actually saying what it is, is just missleading.
I have the feeling you feel or see some great evil going on, where none is intended.
It is easy to say, I believe something unless it appears in a bad light.
Or I believe this idea, but there are no contradictions in this position.
By showing contradictions or putting a different case is not bearing false witness.
God is talking about lying about ones neighbour.
You cannot be lying by stating something that is true. It is this aspect you cannot actually
accept. I am not here to defend myself, I am here to try and understand your point,
as a sin against anyone I take seriously.
But you again have failed to say how I am sinning. Mentioning something without
actually saying what it is, is just missleading.
I have the feeling you feel or see some great evil going on, where none is intended.
The above comment is typical of this environment.
A lie is something that is not true. What I have stated is not a lie, the effect of medication
varies from patient to patient, but if it did not have an effect it would not be used.
Secondly it is not underhand, it is actually being honest and identifying why some cannot
engage properly. One contributor was an alcoholic and had a struggle with addiction.
This type of addiction lends one to a dualistic view of life, where the addiction is an external
enemy and one is a victim of it. This obviously leads to viewing the christian life through
similar glasses where one is a perfect spirit being with an evil flesh master.
One of the difficulties of these forums is we just see peoples contributions and positions, not
their tendencies or dispositions. I do not devalue people and who they are, but there are limits
to this medium and how far it is just an expression of where people are, rather than a means
of progressing in faith and fellowship.
A lie is something that is not true. What I have stated is not a lie, the effect of medication
varies from patient to patient, but if it did not have an effect it would not be used.
Secondly it is not underhand, it is actually being honest and identifying why some cannot
engage properly. One contributor was an alcoholic and had a struggle with addiction.
This type of addiction lends one to a dualistic view of life, where the addiction is an external
enemy and one is a victim of it. This obviously leads to viewing the christian life through
similar glasses where one is a perfect spirit being with an evil flesh master.
One of the difficulties of these forums is we just see peoples contributions and positions, not
their tendencies or dispositions. I do not devalue people and who they are, but there are limits
to this medium and how far it is just an expression of where people are, rather than a means
of progressing in faith and fellowship.
I was thinking about the problem being expressed here.
If we are talking ideas and how people express them or other handle them, it is difficult
to talk about "false witness".
This is because other than quoting the exact words used some could claim they are not
being handled correctly. So I tend to talk about the idea and not the person who expressed
it or even how they expressed it. It is the idea that matters not the person who expressed it.
Some call this lying, yet this is the basis of discussion and debate. Ideas and concepts is what
bdf is about. At the end one hopes agreement can be reached and opinions formed.
God was talking about false witness in terms of I saw x doing y when x did not do y.
It is about concrete events in time and which are not a matter of argument but fact.
Now if one wants to create condemnation and judgementalism and guilt in others one
can mix the two. I do not recommend this as it is very confusing in the world of ideas,
and is actually pointless.
If we are talking ideas and how people express them or other handle them, it is difficult
to talk about "false witness".
This is because other than quoting the exact words used some could claim they are not
being handled correctly. So I tend to talk about the idea and not the person who expressed
it or even how they expressed it. It is the idea that matters not the person who expressed it.
Some call this lying, yet this is the basis of discussion and debate. Ideas and concepts is what
bdf is about. At the end one hopes agreement can be reached and opinions formed.
God was talking about false witness in terms of I saw x doing y when x did not do y.
It is about concrete events in time and which are not a matter of argument but fact.
Now if one wants to create condemnation and judgementalism and guilt in others one
can mix the two. I do not recommend this as it is very confusing in the world of ideas,
and is actually pointless.
A
I was going to respond but I am going to trust God with it instead.
A song for you Bill and others before I go.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xPpEOUVpxrM
A song for you Bill and others before I go.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xPpEOUVpxrM
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I was thinking about the problem being expressed here.
If we are talking ideas and how people express them or other handle them, it is difficult
to talk about "false witness".
This is because other than quoting the exact words used some could claim they are not
being handled correctly. So I tend to talk about the idea and not the person who expressed
it or even how they expressed it. It is the idea that matters not the person who expressed it.
Some call this lying, yet this is the basis of discussion and debate. Ideas and concepts is what
bdf is about. At the end one hopes agreement can be reached and opinions formed.
God was talking about false witness in terms of I saw x doing y when x did not do y.
It is about concrete events in time and which are not a matter of argument but fact.
Now if one wants to create condemnation and judgementalism and guilt in others one
can mix the two. I do not recommend this as it is very confusing in the world of ideas,
and is actually pointless.
If we are talking ideas and how people express them or other handle them, it is difficult
to talk about "false witness".
This is because other than quoting the exact words used some could claim they are not
being handled correctly. So I tend to talk about the idea and not the person who expressed
it or even how they expressed it. It is the idea that matters not the person who expressed it.
Some call this lying, yet this is the basis of discussion and debate. Ideas and concepts is what
bdf is about. At the end one hopes agreement can be reached and opinions formed.
God was talking about false witness in terms of I saw x doing y when x did not do y.
It is about concrete events in time and which are not a matter of argument but fact.
Now if one wants to create condemnation and judgementalism and guilt in others one
can mix the two. I do not recommend this as it is very confusing in the world of ideas,
and is actually pointless.
if I say " it should be every believer's goal to not sin but we all stumble and fall short of that goal" and then you respond and say " gb9 just said it is o.k. for believers to sin" this is MIS-REPRESENTING what I said. that is inserting words , that is dishonest.
that is not a different approach, a different expression , a different view. that is bearing false witness.
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Christ saved me, no holding back
CROWDER FEAT. TEDASHII - LIFT YOUR HEAD WEARY SINNER (CHAINS) (LIVE) LYRICS
The rap section for those who need to see the words..
CROWDER FEAT. TEDASHII - LIFT YOUR HEAD WEARY SINNER (CHAINS) (LIVE) LYRICS
The rap section for those who need to see the words..
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Paul was addressing the Jews. Who were clinging to the Old testament law and believed in righteousness by works , rejecting the Gospel of Christ. James was referring to Faith without works is dead. For By Grace(greek word charis: benevolent influence of God , favor ) are ye saved( Greek word sozo : rescued from danger , destruction , made safe )thru Faith ( Greek word : pistis : referring to Christ , a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God ) and that not of yourselves (Greek word hymon , You ! ) it is the gift ( Greek word : for on , sacrifice to God ) of God . Ephesians 2:8 . God and only the Almighty God can give salvation . None calleth upon the name of God , no not one . You cannot upon he whom you don't know . None are righteousness no not one . God calls US . God imputed the righteousness of Christ upon those who believes . Praised be the Name of the Lord! He hath declared the end from the beginning .
So no one's allowed to say anything about someone because they have a physical problem, or an emotional one?
I will recommend them getting outta Dodge before this stuff sends them spiraling into a panic attack!
I didn't know either one of them had a problem, because they're always in the heat of these arguments!
They need to ask their doctor before getting on here..... If they don't, it's not anyone's fault if this hurts them, because they have been warned.
I will recommend them getting outta Dodge before this stuff sends them spiraling into a panic attack!
I didn't know either one of them had a problem, because they're always in the heat of these arguments!
They need to ask their doctor before getting on here..... If they don't, it's not anyone's fault if this hurts them, because they have been warned.