Not By Works

[PeterJens]

Tragic

What is tragic is name calling others over nothing.
People believe what they do. To progress you can discover new ways of looking at
issues, how the different mixture of theology, conviction and actions works in different
peoples lives, and hopefully take the good and apply it to ones life.

What I have learnt today is how better to see Paul calling us to imitate him, in being
Holy, Blameless and righteous.

I keep repeating these verses and finding more insights into walking in the Spirit and
not the flesh, and the danger of leaving the faith, which just makes the position stronger.

I suppose for those who cannot face the truth in the Lord, they just think it is the enemy
twisting scripture. But as the Lord says, only the elect will see the truth, so Amen.

Our emotions and hearts often deceive us to keep things stable and change to the minimum,
which makes sense to survive but not is you want to walk like Jesus.

Our goal

And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2 Cor 3:18

 

[dcontroversal]

dc - Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You are such a joker.
This language is the language of a bully. Are you threatening me? What are you threatening
me with?

I have zero reason to respect you or the positions you hold, because you have shown what
you are. And I need to avoid you judgement of me????? Do you really think I think you think
anything good about me. Your MO is just invention, distraction and insult. Pointless in the
Lord, but for the enemy, his normal means of business.

If you read a threat into that....best just not reply anymore to me Peter......no sense in wasting my time or yours!!!!

End of story!

 

[gb9]

dc - Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You are such a joker.
This language is the language of a bully. Are you threatening me? What are you threatening
me with?

I have zero reason to respect you or the positions you hold, because you have shown what
you are. And I need to avoid you judgement of me????? Do you really think I think you think
anything good about me. Your MO is just invention, distraction and insult. Pointless in the
Lord, but for the enemy, his normal means of business.

that's o.k., many of us have zero respect for you and your positions also. you show who are , we all see, but some reason ( pride? ) you don't.

 

[UnderGrace]

Explain to me why and how the bible teaches against abounding grace?

I ask in earnest?

Seriously, how hard is it to understand that there is no hyper grace? Even my 14 year old niece can understand that.. lol

Funny how little kids can understand this stuff soooo much better than grown adults. Maybe that's because the adults refuse to revert back to the status of having innocent little kid's minds..

 

[dcontroversal]

sheesh...what happened here? When I left yesterday, it was loving.

It still is minus a few (CAINOLOGY) speed bumps......

 

[dcontroversal]

Explain to me why and how the bible teaches against abounding grace?

I ask in earnest?

I do not think she is standing against grace that out bounds our sin, but rather her comment is applied to those of the "CAINOLOGY" faction that label grace as hyper.....

 

[PeterJens]

1. I didn't see any threats in his post, implied or otherwise.
2. You don't think very highly of him either, so you're even on that point.. LOL

Hi blue. Thankyou for this blessing, and your intention. God bless you.
Are you like a parrot that appears to cheer on one side over the other?

 

[UnderGrace]

Never mind this topic is outlawed and it is not worth the effort to set the record straight.

Except to say...

Let God's word be true it is His Grace that is abounds not that His grace is hyper.

Whilst it is true that the term hyper is used in the original Geek text it is not referring to Grace itself but to the abundance of Grace. In Romans 5:20 Paul states:

But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Explain to me why and how the bible teaches against abounding grace?

I ask in earnest?

 

[Grace777x70]

Brethren - I encourage us all not to fall for the constant "baiting".

The "baiting" has a purpose. The more we interact with these types - the more the chance to get caught up in the flesh and none of this teaches how to walk by faith in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.

We can just ignore them and let them slander. We can't make them act without malice and slandering but we can not interact with them as Paul says in Rom. 16:17.

The Lord will deal with all of us as children that He loves dearly.

 

[Stephen63]

MY POST 16502 I would stand with Bill or EG any day......to the bitter end......it takes guts to confess your difficulties in an open forum like this......and then like sharks coming up from the deep...........tragic for sure....

Your POST 16510 Yeah, you would stand with them in the forums arguing because they back you up in your arguments, not because you're concerned for their health & welfare.

My POST 16518 The above bolded judges my motive...and makes you a liar pal.....keep working your way there with works like this....

YOUR POST 16530 You're the one that started this, that's your motive.
Wasn't mine.

MY POST 16534 More deception here.....You have no ability to be honest....serious....I started nothing, but made a general statement about standing with two particular men of the which you made the false accusation...

You take the cake pal for dishonesty.....is that how workers for keep their salvation?

YOUR POST 16536 Here's where it all started.....

Originally Posted by Stephen63

It's not healthy nor wise for anyone with anxiety or depression to be on the BDF. There's too much stress here.

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Another anti-Christian comment......yeah, let us cut off those who need encouragement......you have serious issues....!




Now who's being dishonest?

MY POST 16538 You are...that was not the context of our exchange.....proof in the pudding for you......!


YOU are the one pal.....NOT ME....for once in your life admit your sin and get right....ALL can read for themselves....YOU might wise up and realize that ALL can see the truth.....

Those were two different arguments! I also noticed you left off the only way to track the older ones:


Just wondering WHY you did that.

 

[PeterJens]

Again....that was not the context of our immediate conversation...keep spreading falsehoods....twist all you like pal...all can read and see....

dc - Does anyone look bothered? You want to prove who said what when. Why?
So your emotions can feel justified, or to get the feeling, "I showed them".

I had an exchange when the other side where just lying and not seeing what they
had done. It was not a case of proving a point, it was they could not accept
what had happened. That is when a discussion becomes delusional.

So I wonder, are you any good at seeing this step from this is a conversation into
this is delusional? I maybe wrong, but I had not previously thought you delusional
but I might have to review this understanding.

I suppose I should review this based on my mentioning people with a failure of
empathy, and how this shows difficulties in communicating ideas, and you applied
it to yourself, when I did not mean it that way, just as an example. So maybe
I should review my understanding, lol

 

[blue_ladybug]

I never said the bible teaches against abundant grace. But it DOES NOT mention one word about HYPER grace. Grace is grace, pure and simple. You can't add to or take away from grace, just as we cannot add to or take away from what the bible says..

So if you believe in hyper grace, your belief system is flawed..

Explain to me why and how the bible teaches against abounding grace?

I ask in earnest?

 

[dcontroversal]

Those were two different arguments! I also noticed you left off the only way to track the older ones:
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Just wondering WHY you did that.

I left off nothing on purpose so believe as you will....done with you.....end of story!

 

[blue_ladybug]

NOPE. I only cheer for GOD'S side.

Hi blue. Thankyou for this blessing, and your intention. God bless you.
Are you like a parrot that appears to cheer on one side over the other?

 

[willybob]

Here is a very good teaching in rearguards to heart purity..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAYjN5vjuzY

 

[Stephen63]

I left off nothing on purpose so believe as you will....done with you.....end of story!

Yeah..... I wouldn't want to continue on either if I were you, & watch that scheme fall apart.

 

[dcontroversal]

I never said the bible teaches against abundant grace. But it DOES NOT mention one word about HYPER grace. Grace is grace, pure and simple. You can't add to or take away from grace, just as we cannot add to or take away from what the bible says..

So if you believe in hyper grace, your belief system is flawed..

AMEN Blue.......I made a post explaining your position....I think that is what you meant....#16566

 

[followjesus]

Seriously, how hard is it to understand that there is no hyper grace? Even my 14 year old niece can understand that.. lol

Funny how little kids can understand this stuff soooo much better than grown adults. Maybe that's because the adults refuse to revert back to the status of having innocent little kid's minds..

Hebrews 10:26-31 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."


those who will not repent of thier sins or count it meaningless have no understanding of Grace.

2 thessalonians 1:8-12 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

11Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: 12That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.


1 peter 4:17-19 "For the time is comethat judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

those who do not obey the gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ have no part with Him, Grace is to bring us into obedience, not to remove obedience from us. if Grace doesnt lead a person to repentance, and godly living in this life, its not Gods Grace.

"hyper grace" is mans design that omits all of the truth of scriptures so plainly set forth such as these and the many others Just like them. Gods real Grace does this....

romans 1:1-7 ":Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to bethe Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."

titus 2:11-15 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."


Grace doesnt argue against good works or label good works " self righteousness" it changes a sinner into a person zealous of Good works unto God, makes saints of sinners and needs not omit the truth of things Like the coming Judgement, or all of the instructions in Gods Word. theres no need to reshape the truth to make it more pleasant its perfectly designed By God, and comes down to whether we love Sin , or Jesus who is where Grace came to us through, From God through Jesus Christ.

 

[blue_ladybug]

What are rear guards?

Here is a very good teaching in rearguards to heart purity..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAYjN5vjuzY

 

[UnderGrace]

It is true!

I have to get better at that too! As they say no point beating a dead horse.
Ultimately the Holy Spirit teaches and reveals.

Some days you want to be on the playground and join in on the fun, but when bullying and discord rules, it is better to walk away.

Happy Canada Day!!!

Brethren - I encourage us all not to fall for the constant "baiting".

The "baiting" has a purpose. The more we interact with these types - the more the chance to get caught up in the flesh and none of this teaches how to walk by faith in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.

We can just ignore them and let them slander. We can't make them act without malice and slandering but we can not interact with them as Paul says in Rom. 16:17.

The Lord will deal with all of us as children that He loves dearly.