Not By Works

[JIMBO43]

MAYBE you should read more instead of espousing and pushing falsehood Jim...HOW would you describe the bolded below

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world


AND the HOLY spirit convicts of SIN because they BELIEVE NOT ON ME

Dc maybe Jesus did take the sins of the whole world on his shoulders i dont dent that... but what i do deny but as well you know the sin of the world is still in the world so he didnt remove it all together,,, you however seem to think he did or i get the feeling your coming across that way..

this is my argument i reall dont know where your coming from and what doctrin your forming out of this,,,,,,,,, He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. ?

what are you trying to tell us dc ? are you saying that all mans sin was wiped clean at the cross coz if you are may i remind you of this scripture

[h=1]Matthew 26:28-29The Message (MSG)[/h] [h=3]The Bread and the Cup[/h][SUP]26-29 [/SUP]During the meal, Jesus took and blessed the bread, broke it, and gave it to his disciples:
Take, eat.
This is my body.

Taking the cup and thanking God, he gave it to them:
Drink this, all of you.
This is my blood,
God’s new covenant poured out for many people (not everyone dc.......
for the forgiveness of sins.


“I’ll not be drinking wine from this cup again until that new day when I’ll drink with you in the kingdom of my Father.”

 

[JIMBO43]

“I’ll not be drinking wine from this cup again until that new day when I’ll drink with you in the kingdom of my Father.”

Now obviously Jesus wasnt speaking to everyone here only coz Judas was in the crowd......

 

[BillG]

Dc maybe Jesus did take the sins of the whole world on his shoulders i dont dent that... but what i do deny but as well you know the sin of the world is still in the world so he didnt remove it all together,,, you however seem to think he did or i get the feeling your coming across that way..

this is my argument i reall dont know where your coming from and what doctrin your forming out of this,,,,,,,,, He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. ?

what are you trying to tell us dc ? are you saying that all mans sin was wiped clean at the cross coz if you are may i remind you of this scripture

Matthew 26:28-29The Message (MSG)

The Bread and the Cup

[SUP]26-29 [/SUP]During the meal, Jesus took and blessed the bread, broke it, and gave it to his disciples:
Take, eat.
This is my body.

Taking the cup and thanking God, he gave it to them:
Drink this, all of you.
This is my blood,
God’s new covenant poured out for many people (not everyone dc.......
for the forgiveness of sins.


“I’ll not be drinking wine from this cup again until that new day when I’ll drink with you in the kingdom of my Father.”

Jimbo my fine friend, I hope all is well with you.

Jesus died on the cross. Whilst on the cross all the sins that man will ever do were laid on him.

It started with Adam, wanting to become like God, be his own God as such.


John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

So for those that believe will be saved.

God did not remove the sin in the world. That will only happen when he calls time.

So the whole sins of the world were laid on Jesus at the cross.
That has to be true otherwise no one could be saved if they were not.

So forgiveness of sins is for everyone but not everyone will believe in Jesus.

Only one sin is not forgiven.

Rejecting Jesus and what he did on the cross.

 

[stonesoffire]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BillG again.

 

[UnderGrace]

The value of the atonement is unlimited. Through the work of Jesus God declares all people innocent, BUT its application is limited.

The atoning death of Christ is sufficient for all, but it is sufficient only for those who believe.
God so loved the (whole) world (mankind) that He gave His Son to provide salvation, but as we see, each person must respond to God’s provision (John 3:16).

Each person must appropriate the work of Christ for themselves. (Revelation 3:20).

Dc maybe Jesus did take the sins of the whole world on his shoulders i dont dent that... but what i do deny but as well you know the sin of the world is still in the world so he didnt remove it all together,,, you however seem to think he did or i get the feeling your coming across that way..

this is my argument i reall dont know where your coming from and what doctrin your forming out of this,,,,,,,,, He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. ?

what are you trying to tell us dc ? are you saying that all mans sin was wiped clean at the cross coz if you are may i remind you of this scripture

Matthew 26:28-29The Message (MSG)

The Bread and the Cup

[SUP]26-29 [/SUP]During the meal, Jesus took and blessed the bread, broke it, and gave it to his disciples:
Take, eat.
This is my body.

Taking the cup and thanking God, he gave it to them:
Drink this, all of you.
This is my blood,
God’s new covenant poured out for many people (not everyone dc.......
for the forgiveness of sins.


“I’ll not be drinking wine from this cup again until that new day when I’ll drink with you in the kingdom of my Father.”

 

[JIMBO43]

Jimbo my fine friend, I hope all is well with you.

Jesus died on the cross. Whilst on the cross all the sins that man will ever do were laid on him.

It started with Adam, wanting to become like God, be his own God as such.


John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

So for those that believe will be saved.

God did not remove the sin in the world. That will only happen when he calls time.

So the whole sins of the world were laid on Jesus at the cross.
That has to be true otherwise no one could be saved if they were not.

So forgiveness of sins is for everyone but not everyone will believe in Jesus.

Only one sin is not forgiven.

Rejecting Jesus and what he did on the cross.

absolute rubish billy lad all i can say is your brain washed... billy you need to wake up ... sin is sin no matter what you say to me the proof in the pudding is when one becomes welll mannered...........


which is evidently hard for you to maintain when you suffer with anxiety ,,,,, how ever billy mate you dont know the stuff ive seen and what i know people can still be cursed from God in this day... which i can show you if you want

 

[dcontroversal]

Jimbo my fine friend, I hope all is well with you.

Jesus died on the cross. Whilst on the cross all the sins that man will ever do were laid on him.

It started with Adam, wanting to become like God, be his own God as such.


John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

So for those that believe will be saved.

God did not remove the sin in the world. That will only happen when he calls time.

So the whole sins of the world were laid on Jesus at the cross.
That has to be true otherwise no one could be saved if they were not.

So forgiveness of sins is for everyone but not everyone will believe in Jesus.

Only one sin is not forgiven.

Rejecting Jesus and what he did on the cross.

AMEN........

 

[JIMBO43]

Ok so may i ask can a person still be cursed from God in this day and age ? just for the record can the workers against answer this

 

[dcontroversal]

absolute rubish billy lad all i can say is your brain washed... billy you need to wake up ... sin is sin no matter what you say to me the proof in the pudding is when one becomes welll mannered...........


which is evidently hard for you to maintain when you suffer with anxiety ,,,,, how ever billy mate you dont know the stuff ive seen and what i know people can still be cursed from God in this day... which i can show you if you want

The bolded comment above really states a lot about your character pal........

 

[JIMBO43]

The bolded comment above really states a lot about your character pal........

ok thanks however you still havent answered my question pal..

 

[JIMBO43]

The bolded comment above really states a lot about your character pal........

Oh YEAH And by the way i meant by the bolded i can help you with that billy lad as i know how to beat anxiety.... all you have to do is focus on your nose and not blink for ten minutes

 

[dcontroversal]

ok thanks however you still havent answered my question pal..

I have answered about 1000 times.....ALL of man's sin was nailed to the cross....the conviction of SIN now by the HOLY SPIRIT is because they BELIEVE NOT ON ME (JESUS).....THE BLOOD is applied by FAITH UNTO ALL who believe....ALL who do NOT believe will NOT be forgiven and the CONDEMNATION of GOD currently hangs over their heads waiting for them to take their last breath!

 

[JIMBO43]

I have answered about 1000 times.....ALL of man's sin was nailed to the cross....the conviction of SIN now by the HOLY SPIRIT is because they BELIEVE NOT ON ME (JESUS).....THE BLOOD is applied by FAITH UNTO ALL who believe....ALL who do NOT believe will NOT be forgiven and the CONDEMNATION of GOD currently hangs over their heads waiting for them to take their last breath!

the road is narrow but the path to hell is wide and easy and many will follow it............


FEW WILL FOLLOW THE GOOD PATH AND MANY WILL FOLLOW THE CROOKED PATH BECUASE ITS WIDE AND EASY AND STRAIGHT TO HELL PAL... ALL THO I HOPE NOT FOR YOU OR ANYONE........

 

[BillG]

“I’ll not be drinking wine from this cup again until that new day when I’ll drink with you in the kingdom of my Father.”

Now obviously Jesus wasnt speaking to everyone here only coz Judas was in the crowd......

Not sure if you know the significance of the fourth cup, which I understand is the one Jesus would not drink from.

I do have my own research on this on a document but can't find it at the moment.

The Passover meal had four cups.



Summary of the Four Cups
The Four Cups of the Passover Seder, based upon the verses from Exodus 6:6-7, paint this picture for us:
First Cup — God chose us to be His holy (separated) people. To accomplish this He promised to unburdenus from our enemy’s entanglements.
Second Cup — God teaches us that we cannot effect our own release, and that in our helpless state we musttrust in Him and in Him alone for our salvation.
Third Cup — God further reveals to us that His sovereign work of salvation necessitates both divine powerand payment. Our salvation would cost Him dearly, even the life of the Lamb.
Fourth Cup — God lets us know that the redemption which is ours is still not fully complete. We mustawait the future with hope of Messiah’s coming, for He alone can transform us fully into the holy people Hehas ordained us to be.

So so if we look at the 4th cup redemption is not yet complete.
The resaon being is because Jesus had not yet died. He is the messiah who came. But redemption was only complete when he said "It is finished"

This is the cup that Jesus did not want to drink from


Matthew 26:39


He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”

We find

Matthew 27:34
they gave Him sour wine mingled with gall to drink. But when He had tasted it, He would not drink.

Then we find

Matthew 27:45-49
Jesus Dies on the Cross
Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”
Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said, “This Man is calling for Elijah!” Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink.
The rest said, “Let Him alone; let us see if Elijah will come to save Him.”

Then we find

Matthew 27:50


And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

Maybe whilst on the cross that 4th cup was the one that was offered to Jesus.

He sipped but refused to drink.

In those days when one was being crucified they would be offered a drink of wine with some kind of agent that would make them unaware of what was going on, numb the pain.

Jesus had a sip and refused it.

So maybe he drunk from that cup then realised, Now this cup is the one where the wrath of God for mans sins must be placed upon me.

Just my simpleminded thoughts.

 

[JIMBO43]

So maybe he drunk from that cup then realised, Now this cup is the one where the wrath of God for mans sins must be placed upon me.

Just my simpleminded thoughts.

maybe billy lad who knows after all he did threaten wrath many many times...

 

[JIMBO43]

i cant wait for Gods wrath.. billy lad maybe it will be like this..

[video=youtube;fbOqwd7ZWs0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=fbOqwd7ZWs0[/video]

 

[JIMBO43]

glorious our vikings in heaven are guarding us

 

[UnderGrace]

I can't wait for the Love of God to be manifested for all to see,

then there will be weeping and gnashing because people sought wrath over love, but He has promised to wipe away every tear.

i cant wait for Gods wrath.. billy lad maybe it will be like this..

[video=youtube;fbOqwd7ZWs0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=fbOqwd7ZWs0[/video]

 

[Burninglight]

Greetings, i dont know or accuse any, however many accuse themselves by saying they sin daily in thought, word, and deeds..The devil can't do worse than that...Are their minds that full of filth like Ray Comfort says of his own mind? I dont know, they never clarify what types of sin they mean, they just lump them all together so one can only assume, not accuse, they could be speaking of the sins that Paul says if ye do theses things you will not inherit the kingdom...Then to take thongs further, some of them even want to call such people as Daniel, Job, Mary, etc. as being sinners. Do they not know that a sinner in the bible is the opposite of the faithful saints?..The term sinner in the text means one in rebellion to God, doing deliberate wilful sin, and refuses to come to the light that their deeds might be exposed. Of such as these the apostle Paul said it is written that there were none that do good..How can these self proclaimed sinners in thought, word, and deed, undermine the characters of the righteous men and women in the bible by calling them sinners....it is beyond me how anyone could blaspheme the charterer of these righteous people who lived by faithfulness to God...be blessed in you searching

It says confess our sins to one another that we might be healed. It doesn't say judge them for being sinners. You seem to suggest that once we are saved, we are no longer sinners and you seem to suggest that those that confess their sins like sinning when nothing could be further from the truth. The difference between the saved and unsaved is the saved sin and hate it, and the unsaved sin and love it. It is a sin to judge the saved as not being faithful as you seem to suggest. On the last day God says: "Well done thou good and faithful servant; he didn't say Well done thou successful servant who never sinned and who was like Job with a righteousness of your own.

 

[BillG]

absolute rubish billy lad all i can say is your brain washed... billy you need to wake up ... sin is sin no matter what you say to me the proof in the pudding is when one becomes welll mannered...........


which is evidently hard for you to maintain when you suffer with anxiety ,,,,, how ever billy mate you dont know the stuff ive seen and what i know people can still be cursed from God in this day... which i can show you if you want

I really cannot believe you have just said what you have.

Truly shocking.

I have no idea why you have posted what you have.

I was just giving my thoughts and now you tell I'm brainwashed, I need to wake up and then attack my honesty about my anxiety and believe that you can't believe what I have tried to enagage with.

You my friend have no idea what I have been through and your probably not even interested because you are so self absorbed.

As we say over here and forgive me true friends, Jimbo your a twat.

Not nice is it, but by inference you've just called me one.

You and I is finished.