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graceNpeace

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The sky is purple the sky is purple.... tell me what is fiction that I have said? Sorry but I must believe Gods Word
You cannot use Genesis chapter 2 to justify the Sabbath or Sabbath-keeping.
It is as simple as that!
 
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You cannot use Genesis chapter 2 to justify the Sabbath or Sabbath-keeping.
It is as simple as that!
Well that is AMAZING.

How did I just show you from God's Word that the 7th Day Sabbath was given to Mankind by God in the creation week as part of the FINISHED work of creation? (Gen 2:1-3 and Mark 2:27)? God's Word is amazing you should read it.

God bless you
 

graceNpeace

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Well that is AMAZING.

How did I just show you from God's Word that the 7th Day Sabbath was given to Mankind by God in the creation week as part of the FINISHED work of creation? (Gen 2:1-3 and Mark 2:27)? God's Word is amazing you should read it.

God bless you
The point is you did not!
Show me from Genesis chapter 2 any command to observe this day. You cannot even show that it was given to man.
 
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The point is you did not!
Show me from Genesis chapter 2 any command to observe this day. You cannot even show that it was given to man.
Jesus says..."And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." (Mar 2:27). You have already seen the Hebrew word for rest in Gen 2:2 means to cease from work root meaning Sabbath.

Also, the CONTEXT is BEFORE the fall (sin) of mankind. WOOPS seems I did show you. Maybe you are just not reading the Bible or do not want to open your eyes to God's Word because it goes against your opinion. I do not know about you but I must follow God's Word

God bless you

 
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graceNpeace

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Jesus says..."And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." (Mar 2:27). You have already seen the Hebrew word for rest in Gen 2:2 means to cease from work root meaning Sabbath.

Also, the CONTEXT is BEFORE the fall (sin) of mankind. You are just not reading the Bible or do not want to open your eyes because you want to follow man made traditions. I do not know about you but I must follow God's Word

God bless you
Show me from Genesis chapter 2 please!
 

Jackson123

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Absolutely! There was NO sin before the fall of mankind! Mankind was in harmony with ALL of God's Laws written on their hearts. It was natural for them to obey God until Adam and Eve disobeyed God to eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. At creation before the fall Adam and Eve would of kept God's 7th Day Sabbath because that Sabbath was made for mankind as part of the FINISHED week of creation (Mark 2:17).

Your texts are in Gen 2:1-3 and Mark 2:17 already highlighted.
The Shadows Sabbaths are shown in God's Word in posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168 and 1183 which you have ignored.

Let's look at Gen 2:2 again...

"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he "rested" on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." (Gen 2:2)

"RESTED" H7673
שׁבת
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. This is the origin of the root word Sabbath H7676 used in Ex 20:8-11

The is a Holy day God had made, God had blessed and set aside from all the other days of the week for Mankind at the end of the creation week (Gen 2:1-3)

The 7th Day of the creation week was made for mankind so it is God that instructs is to keep it. This is part of the FINISHED work of the creation week.

Tell me all the above is not true?

God bless you
Brother LoveGod, you said before sin God law writen in the heart, how do you Knowles If the sabbath law writen in the heart
I believe law of love was, not sabbath law.
I have a friend believe in sabbath keeping, he was need a Job, then he found a job that he like as accountant, unfortunately he have to work oN saturday, he refused It.
before sin i believe human not work like what happen now. Why they need rest

when Jesus Said sabbath is for man not man for sabbath was in the context, His father work Until now

Is not in context to rest. It is all the way around, He work oN sabbath and jew criticized Him for Being work oN sabbath.Remember Paul Said sabbath is shadow of Jesus. How you prove Paul exclude sabbath day. If he meant only sabbath years, why don't he Said so.
 
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Brother LoveGod, you said before sin God law writen in the heart, how do you Knowles If the sabbath law writen in the heart
I believe law of love was, not sabbath law.
I have a friend believe in sabbath keeping, he was need a Job, then he found a job that he like as accountant, unfortunately he have to work oN saturday, he refused It.
before sin i believe human not work like what happen now. Why they need rest when Jesus Said sabbath is for man not man for sabbath was in the context, His father work Until now. Is not in context to rest. It is all the way around, He work oN sabbath and jew criticized Him for Being work oN sabbath.Remember Paul Said sabbath is shadow of Jesus. How you prove Paul exclude sabbath day. If he meant only sabbath years, why don't he Said so.
Hi Jackson123, Good questions.

1. "You said before sin God law written in the heart, how do you Knowles If the sabbath law written in the heart"

Because God blessed the 7th Day of the creation week, God set it apart from all the other days, God made it a Holy day and made this day for mankind (Gen 2:1-3 and Mark 2:17). Before the fall (sin) man followed God because they loved Him.

The problem in the context in Mark 2:17 was that the Jews made the Sabbath a burden and put all these man made rules over the Sabbath so in that no one could keep it. Jesus came to tell them that He was the maker and owner of the Sabbath and it is ok to do good on the Sabbath and this day is set aside as our rest with God. The motive is love and not the letter like the Jews did.

Col 2:17 is not talking about Sabbath years or the 7th Day Sabbath, its talking about the ceremonial high Sabbaths that were connected to Jewish feast days, Holy days and ordinances that pointed to the coming of Jesus. (please read posts 1166 and 1168)

Hope this is helpful

God bless you
 
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Show me from Genesis chapter 2 please!
As I understand Gen 2 does not show a 'command to observe it but it is certainly/definitely the 'establishing firmly of a DAY/time intended to be used for our benefit'....as we grow in grace and the knowledge of our Lord and Savior. The sabbath is there from Creation and is a foundational principle for a certain purpose ! to wipe it away is to pull the rug from under your feet.

At creation man would have been similar to a Baby/Infant without much knowledge and could hardly have been expected to understand fully and obey instruction (even just one Gen2v17)....all that comes with 'growing' so that by the time they/mankind reached Exodus/leviticus they would have more comprehension....like Kids starting school....hence the call to assemble on the sabbath ! Has God changed the day ? don't think so.
 

graceNpeace

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As I understand Gen 2 does not show a 'command to observe it but it is certainly/definitely the 'establishing firmly of a DAY/time intended to be used for our benefit'....as we grow in grace and the knowledge of our Lord and Savior. The sabbath is there from Creation and is a foundational principle for a certain purpose ! to wipe it away is to pull the rug from under your feet.

At creation man would have been similar to a Baby/Infant without much knowledge and could hardly have been expected to understand fully and obey instruction (even just one Gen2v17)....all that comes with 'growing' so that by the time they/mankind reached Exodus/leviticus they would have more comprehension....like Kids starting school....hence the call to assemble on the sabbath ! Has God changed the day ? don't think so.
In other words an assumption with no evidence...
 

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In other words an assumption with no evidence...
I knew that was coming...but it was worth a try. Your snap reply hardly allowed you to read it and ponder on it....ok, not my loss.
 

Jackson123

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Hi Jackson123, Good questions.

1. "You said before sin God law written in the heart, how do you Knowles If the sabbath law written in the heart"

Because God blessed the 7th Day of the creation week, God set it apart from all the other days, God made it a Holy day and made this day for mankind (Gen 2:1-3 and Mark 2:17). Before the fall (sin) man followed God because they loved Him.

The problem in the context in Mark 2:17 was that the Jews made the Sabbath a burden and put all these man made rules over the Sabbath so in that no one could keep it. Jesus came to tell them that He was the maker and owner of the Sabbath and it is ok to do good on the Sabbath and this day is set aside as our rest with God. The motive is love and not the letter like the Jews did.

Col 2:17 is not talking about Sabbath years or the 7th Day Sabbath, its talking about the ceremonial high Sabbaths that were connected to Jewish feast days, Holy days and ordinances that pointed to the coming of Jesus. (please read posts 1166 and 1168)

Hope this is helpful

God bless you
brother LoveGod.
you Said tha Jesus want to Said that It is OK oN sabbath doping good work.

rhan what is the different compare with other day, Jesus always doing good work every day.

If one work on saturday to profide food and shelter for HIS famiy is that not a good work, love the family is God law too.

Jesus Said oN those law/love hang oN all the law, include sabbath,

matt 22


38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

That why i believe Paul is talking about sabbath law.

genesis God talking about resting and blessing that day, he do not instruct human to rest. God dan still blessing people white at work.

You Said doing good job oN saturday is OK, yes but doing bad job is always not OK, not only oN sabbath
 

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I knew that was coming...but it was worth a try. Your snap reply hardly allowed you to read it and ponder on it....ok, not my loss.
beta, you and anyone else who tries to teach that the Sabbath and Sabbath-keeping are binding on christian believers , and trying to base the concept on Genesis chapter 2, are abusing Scripture!
 

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beta, you and anyone else who tries to teach that the Sabbath and Sabbath-keeping are binding on christian believers , and trying to base the concept on Genesis chapter 2, are abusing Scripture!
Nobody is teaching that....it's how you understand it.
To me Gen 2 is a 'laying down of eternal foundation and principles that would become clearer 'as we mature'. When something is 'holy to a 'holy God' we'd better learn to respect it - is my view ! others are free to choose for themselves....but be aware that disagreeing with God does not make for love, peace and unity...can't happen for those who withdraw themselves from HIS WILL.
 
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brother LoveGod.
you Said tha Jesus want to Said that It is OK oN sabbath doping good work.

rhan what is the different compare with other day, Jesus always doing good work every day.

If one work on saturday to profide food and shelter for HIS famiy is that not a good work, love the family is God law too.

Jesus Said oN those law/love hang oN all the law, include sabbath,

matt 22

38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

That why i believe Paul is talking about sabbath law.

genesis God talking about resting and blessing that day, he do not instruct human to rest. God dan still blessing people white at work.

You Said doing good job oN saturday is OK, yes but doing bad job is always not OK, not only oN sabbath
Hi Jackson,

Jesus is maker and owner of the 7th Day Sabbath. He came to show us how to keep it and what it means. We are to follow Jesus because he is our example (John 13:15; 1Pet 2:22). Jesus says it is ok to do good on the Sabbath, but we are not to labour or work (business) because there is 6 other days we can do this. The 7th Day he set aside from all the other days as a holy day to rest with God. Yes we keep the Sabbath because we love Jesus and want to follow Him. It is because of love to God that we keep God's Sabbath holy because he asks us to do this as well as to love our neighbor (to do good). God made the 7th Day Sabbath for mankind in the creation week is very clear because he made it for mankind. (Gen 2:1-3; Mark 2:17)

God bless you
 

Jackson123

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Hi Jackson,

Jesus is maker and owner of the 7th Day Sabbath. He came to show us how to keep it and what it means. We are to follow Jesus because he is our example (John 13:15; 1Pet 2:22). Jesus says it is ok to do good on the Sabbath, but we are not to labour or work (business) because there is 6 other days we can do this. The 7th Day he set aside from all the other days as a holy day to rest with God. Yes we keep the Sabbath because we love Jesus and want to follow Him. It is because of love to God that we keep God's Sabbath holy because he asks us to do this as well as to love our neighbor (to do good). God made the 7th Day Sabbath for mankind in the creation week is very clear because he made it for mankind. (Gen 2:1-3; Mark 2:17)

God bless you
brother LoveGod
is labour or business always mean not doing good?

i believe everything we do as long as base on love is good. That is why Jesus work oN sabbath.

in my country, a Lot of low income family, just for simple life, some must work long hour. They do because they love their family

i have a friend work 7 daya a week, Wake up 4 a Clock every day, 2 hour oN bus, Home at 8 PM.

not Easy Find better job bro.
 
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In other words an assumption with no evidence...
Go and look at posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168, 1183, 1209 and 1218. There is well over 150+ bible verses from the Word of God and you say assumptions with no evidence? Well this is an AMAZING thing.... having eyes to see but cannot see and ears to hear but cannot hear? Do you not believe God because the scriptures go against your interpretation? You know we need to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4). Not just the ones we want to pick and choose because someone says so. Be like the faithful Bereans and study the Word for yourself asking Jesus.

God bless you