Death penalty

[wwjd_kilden]

I think taking a life, for any reason is wrong.

Not necessarily by legal terms murder (i.e to speak of murder when both sides in a war kill each other would be odd), but still wrong. ... Unlike some on here, I don't think two wrongs make a right (Even if the other guy tries to kill you, I don't think that means you can kill them and claim to be right with God)

 

[Zen]

Who do you think gave our judicial system the thumbs up to put murderers to death? GOD did..

Then who do you think made my government stop the death penalty? If you start judging people to death, you either take the whole package, or you're picking and choosing following the doctrine of men.

 

[Jesus4ever]

Sorry for my insistence, but I´ll ask one more time:

- Genesis 9:6 precedes the Mosaic Law. So, if we consider that Mosaic Law was for the Nation of Israel only, can´t we assume that murder (Genesis 9:6) is the only reason for authorities to apply the death penalty?

- Is bestiality, homosexuality, adultery, kidnapping, prostitution, etc, reason for our authorities to apply the death penalty?

 

[blue_ladybug]

God gives our (including your country's) judicial systems, the power to dole out death sentences, and also to abolish them as they see fit..

Then who do you think made my government stop the death penalty? If you start judging people to death, you either take the whole package, or you're picking and choosing following the doctrine of men.

 

[Zen]

God gives our (including your country's) judicial systems, the power to dole out death sentences, and also to abolish them as they see fit..

So God wants Americans to kill murderers, but British people to lock them up?

 

[Zen]

Sorry for my insistence, but I´ll ask one more time:

- Genesis 9:6 precedes the Mosaic Law. So, if we consider that Mosaic Law was for the Nation of Israel only, can´t we assume that murder (Genesis 9:6) is the only reason for authorities to apply the death penalty?

- Is bestiality, homosexuality, adultery, kidnapping, prostitution, etc, reason for our authorities to apply the death penalty?

Apparently not according to some people here. However, shouldn't judging people worthy of death be done under God's law rather than our own arbitrary system? We aren't under such law any more so why kill people? I'd love for wicked people to be taken away but it just means arguing against each other to decide what is wicked and what isn't.

 

[Jesus4ever]

Apparently not according to some people here. However, shouldn't judging people worthy of death be done under God's law rather than our own arbitrary system? We aren't under such law any more so why kill people? I'd love for wicked people to be taken away but it just means arguing against each other to decide what is wicked and what isn't.

That´s precisely my point. Genesis 9:6 is not Mosaic Law. This command precedes it. Apart from 10 Commandments (moral law, therefore immutable), isn´t the rest considered as Israel legislation (judicial, ceremonial, dietetic laws)? If we take it that way, wouldn´t the command of Genesis 9:6 be applied to us today?

 

[blue_ladybug]

God wants them to use their wisdom in choosing to give someone the death sentence, or simply life in prison..They don't execute death row prisoners right away anyways, they let them sit on death row for decades, as they have done with Charles Manson..

So God wants Americans to kill murderers, but British people to lock them up?

 

[blue_ladybug]

ALL sin is wicked..

Some just warrant more severe punishment than others..

Apparently not according to some people here. However, shouldn't judging people worthy of death be done under God's law rather than our own arbitrary system? We aren't under such law any more so why kill people? I'd love for wicked people to be taken away but it just means arguing against each other to decide what is wicked and what isn't.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

ALL sin is wicked..

Some just warrant more severe punishment than others..

Do you deserve to live? Do I?
Not according to God.
To him, ALL sin warrants death penalty.
Yet His grace saves us.
Who are we to show less grace?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Take it up with the judicial system. THEY have the power to decide criminal's fates..


If a criminal can't do the time, then they shouldn't do the crime..

Do you deserve to live? Do I?
Not according to God.
To him, ALL sin warrants death penalty.
Yet His grace saves us.
Who are we to show less grace?

 

[Zen]

God wants them to use their wisdom in choosing to give someone the death sentence, or simply life in prison..They don't execute death row prisoners right away anyways, they let them sit on death row for decades, as they have done with Charles Manson..

Yep, they lock them up for a long time. Then the prison guards don't let them know when they are scheduled to be killed so they are always apprehensive when the guards walk past their cell. They spend years in solitude and then when they convert to Christianity, they sit them in a chair and kill them (before being baptized?).

Only God knows what is in a person's heart, though He can give us wisdom to discern it. If we're to kill murderers I just think the advocates for the death penalty should stop beating around the bush and throw a bunch of other wicked things on the kill list. Even women who wear yoga pants. Millions of men are lusting after them as they strut around knowing full well men are lusting after them. Adultery/lust causes death. Can we start killing them too? "Hey now, that's a little harsh, they are just women wearing pants..." And why must it be painless? Why can't we go back to stoning?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Would you show grace to someone who molested and killed your child? Or someone who killed and dismembered a family member? I sure wouldn't. I'd wanna see them punished for what they did..

Do you deserve to live? Do I?
Not according to God.
To him, ALL sin warrants death penalty.
Yet His grace saves us.
Who are we to show less grace?

 

[WingsOfFidelity]

Would you show grace to someone who molested and killed your child? Or someone who killed and dismembered a family member? I sure wouldn't. I'd wanna see them punished for what they did..

This is the difference between men and the Lord. He tells us to forgive those who trespasses against us. 'Wanting' to see one punished is of the flesh.

 

[blue_ladybug]

It would be difficult, if not impossible, for some of us to forgive someone who murdered our child or loved one..

This is the difference between men and the Lord. He tells us to forgive those who trespasses against us. 'Wanting' to see one punished is of the flesh.

 

[WingsOfFidelity]

Yep, they lock them up for a long time. Then the prison guards don't let them know when they are scheduled to be killed so they are always apprehensive when the guards walk past their cell. They spend years in solitude and then when they convert to Christianity, they sit them in a chair and kill them (before being baptized?).

Only God knows what is in a person's heart, though He can give us wisdom to discern it. If we're to kill murderers I just think the advocates for the death penalty should stop beating around the bush and throw a bunch of other wicked things on the kill list. Even women who wear yoga pants. Millions of men are lusting after them as they strut around knowing full well men are lusting after them. Adultery/lust causes death. Can we start killing them too? "Hey now, that's a little harsh, they are just women wearing pants..." And why must it be painless? Why can't we go back to stoning?

Question, do you believe we have to be baptized in water? I don't want to hijack the thread but I was just curious.

 

[WingsOfFidelity]

It would be difficult, if not impossible, for some of us to forgive someone who murdered our child or loved one..

I understand, but all things are possible with Christ.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

It would be difficult, if not impossible, for some of us to forgive someone who murdered our child or loved one..

That murderer
That child molester
...is also someone's child

Where should the limit go?

Should we kill people who planned to kill hundreds of people but didn't get around to doing it?
Should we kill rapists?
What if we stop the rapist just as he is about to do it?
What if we know someone wants to do it but hasn't?
What about people who steal from the poor?
What about people who are unfaithful?
What about liars?

Where do you draw the line?

In some countries you get your hand chopped off for stealing. It is the law. People still steal. Sometimes to help their children survive as they would otherwise starve- Is it still right just because it is the law? What if we made a law saying you can torture people? Would that make torture a "good" thing?

 

[Zen]

Question, do you believe we have to be baptized in water? I don't want to hijack the thread but I was just curious.

According to my understanding, yes. Do you know any other way?

 

[blue_ladybug]

There's nothing wrong with women wearing yoga pants. Or pants in general..

Yep, they lock them up for a long time. Then the prison guards don't let them know when they are scheduled to be killed so they are always apprehensive when the guards walk past their cell. They spend years in solitude and then when they convert to Christianity, they sit them in a chair and kill them (before being baptized?).

Only God knows what is in a person's heart, though He can give us wisdom to discern it. If we're to kill murderers I just think the advocates for the death penalty should stop beating around the bush and throw a bunch of other wicked things on the kill list. Even women who wear yoga pants. Millions of men are lusting after them as they strut around knowing full well men are lusting after them. Adultery/lust causes death. Can we start killing them too? "Hey now, that's a little harsh, they are just women wearing pants..." And why must it be painless? Why can't we go back to stoning?