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why do they keep the old man alive then?
the whole idea of virtual reality (Gnostic dualism) came from the mind of Plato, and brought into what is called Christianity by Augustine..Both were masters of rhetoric..However this concept is not found anywhere in the scriptures...The forgone truth of scripture is manifest reality..There is a huge difference between the two...
the whole idea of virtual reality (Gnostic dualism) came from the mind of Plato, and brought into what is called Christianity by Augustine..Both were masters of rhetoric..However this concept is not found anywhere in the scriptures...The forgone truth of scripture is manifest reality..There is a huge difference between the two...
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Billy im going to share something with you now.. I met a person who had the spirit and he lifted my possession ,,, the possesion was there the spirt came out of me and then went back in.. he saw the possesion in me... This real billy lad...
ive been singing all day driving and being happy.. at one time billy i was in tears coz my traumas amd my heart is deeply effected... i have a complex post traumatic stress disorder ,, which is multiple trauma disorder... more than one..
traumas that would make you scared of the outdoors traumas that would make you crap your pants when theres a knock on the door that brings the traumas back..
On top of that i have suffered with sever anxiet attacks enough that would make you fall down to the ground (ie your knees go week and suffer a severe breathing attack.. it starts with a flush normall for me and my legs go week.. then i collaspe..
there still deep rooted and are trying to come out... they cant...
A multiple complex disorder is when trumas has happend a long time ago but are now only just starting to come out to the service theyve been hidden burries coz you couldnt deal with them..
This in medical terms is called the mind putting that memory in reserve and only letting it release when it feals it has to or your always going to suffer..
Sadly billy lad this is lifetime suffering ill call it and not an illnes..... same for you your anxiety is an illness but more of a suffering..
I have many tricks to beet it which i would be happy to share with and the first is singing this song as loud as possible all day over and over with heart whilst driving
[video=youtube;YRV9rqubkPE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRV9rqubkPE[/video]
ive been singing all day driving and being happy.. at one time billy i was in tears coz my traumas amd my heart is deeply effected... i have a complex post traumatic stress disorder ,, which is multiple trauma disorder... more than one..
traumas that would make you scared of the outdoors traumas that would make you crap your pants when theres a knock on the door that brings the traumas back..
On top of that i have suffered with sever anxiet attacks enough that would make you fall down to the ground (ie your knees go week and suffer a severe breathing attack.. it starts with a flush normall for me and my legs go week.. then i collaspe..
there still deep rooted and are trying to come out... they cant...
A multiple complex disorder is when trumas has happend a long time ago but are now only just starting to come out to the service theyve been hidden burries coz you couldnt deal with them..
This in medical terms is called the mind putting that memory in reserve and only letting it release when it feals it has to or your always going to suffer..
Sadly billy lad this is lifetime suffering ill call it and not an illnes..... same for you your anxiety is an illness but more of a suffering..
I have many tricks to beet it which i would be happy to share with and the first is singing this song as loud as possible all day over and over with heart whilst driving
[video=youtube;YRV9rqubkPE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRV9rqubkPE[/video]
We're certainly not in heaven yet...
Could you imagine if we didn't know God??
Some people just assume things too often, D. Some just can't take a joke.. I posted the coffee gif as a pun on your "cafe blend" phrase.. There was no mocking of sin at all..
There was no mocking of sin at all..
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Those that believe in the virtual reality of Penal Substitution, many of them even openly subscribe to the carnal-Christian myth,,,
to put it plainly, those that still commit the vile sins of the flesh, but somehow believe they can still reside within the kingdom, based on an imaginary position.....
to put it plainly, those that still commit the vile sins of the flesh, but somehow believe they can still reside within the kingdom, based on an imaginary position.....
If you don't follow God's commandments, you're not a friend of Jesus...
John 14.15
John 15:14
John 15.1-6
John 14:21
John 10:27-28
John 5:28-29
It's not me saying it Ariel, John was with Jesus for over three years.
I think He knows what is needed to be a disciple of Jesus and to be saved.
Deuteronomy 30:15, 19
John 14.15
John 15:14
John 15.1-6
John 14:21
John 10:27-28
John 5:28-29
It's not me saying it Ariel, John was with Jesus for over three years.
I think He knows what is needed to be a disciple of Jesus and to be saved.
Deuteronomy 30:15, 19
It's not me saying works are necessary EG. The Writers of the N.T. say it.
I really don't know HOW you get the idea that works are NOT necessary.
Did you read the post I just wrote to Ariel?
Look up those verses that John says. JOHN. NOt ME.
JESUS SAID WHAT JOHN IS REPEATING.
JESUS SAID WORKS ARE NECESSARY, NOT ME.
HE said the IF you're His friend, you will obey His commandments.
Seems like simple English to me.
What do the verses I posted mean to YOU?
How do you explain them away??
What surprises me is that you say you know what sanctification means.
It doesn't seem like it to me...
It seems like you're afraid of the word "works".
Just because YOU had a bad experience with a particular Church DOES NOT change the doctrines set forth in the bible.
I really don't know HOW you get the idea that works are NOT necessary.
Did you read the post I just wrote to Ariel?
Look up those verses that John says. JOHN. NOt ME.
JESUS SAID WHAT JOHN IS REPEATING.
JESUS SAID WORKS ARE NECESSARY, NOT ME.
HE said the IF you're His friend, you will obey His commandments.
Seems like simple English to me.
What do the verses I posted mean to YOU?
How do you explain them away??
What surprises me is that you say you know what sanctification means.
It doesn't seem like it to me...
It seems like you're afraid of the word "works".
Just because YOU had a bad experience with a particular Church DOES NOT change the doctrines set forth in the bible.
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That is not an answer to my question.
I asked then what happens...not what you judge people to be.
I actually agree that Jesus friends follows His commandments because they are Mature and rooted in Christ.
What you seem to have trouble with is how God teaches His children and how babes in Christ are still His Kids.
God chastens and teaches His Kids to obey.., it doesn't happen automatically.
I asked then what happens...not what you judge people to be.
I actually agree that Jesus friends follows His commandments because they are Mature and rooted in Christ.
What you seem to have trouble with is how God teaches His children and how babes in Christ are still His Kids.
God chastens and teaches His Kids to obey.., it doesn't happen automatically.
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John 6:29
Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 4:5
And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 4:5
And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Read this and tell me how it's not silly to anyone who is not just starting to learn their faith:
If someone died the same day that they genuinely placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (like the thief on the cross) and was unable to accomplish multiple acts of obedience afterwards (the thief was not even able to get water baptized prior to his death on the same day of his conversion) yet he still had faith.
You're asking me if I'm a genuine Christian. Do you doubt it? If I do good works that makes me NOT be a genuine Christian?
Are we finally down to the last line?
Here's what you say:
Obedience is not forced or legalistic for genuine believers
This is VERY wrong.
OBEDIENCE IS FORCED.
I have faith in works for salvation because this is what JESUS taught and also PAUL and also JAMES and also JOHN and everyone else that wrote in the N.T.
Have you studied theology?
You must know what sanctification is.
I'm not repeating it. But you should find out.
It explains how you ARE to obey God and work for Him and with Him for your holiness.
You shouldn't be happy thinking you don't have to obey GOD.
You should be happy to obey your Savior and your Lord.
Some are happy to have Jesus as Savior.
But they are not happy about having Him as Lord.
IF He IS your Lord, then you MUST OBEY Him and do as He says.
It's not optional.
If someone died the same day that they genuinely placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (like the thief on the cross) and was unable to accomplish multiple acts of obedience afterwards (the thief was not even able to get water baptized prior to his death on the same day of his conversion) yet he still had faith.
You're asking me if I'm a genuine Christian. Do you doubt it? If I do good works that makes me NOT be a genuine Christian?
Are we finally down to the last line?
Here's what you say:
Obedience is not forced or legalistic for genuine believers
This is VERY wrong.
OBEDIENCE IS FORCED.
I have faith in works for salvation because this is what JESUS taught and also PAUL and also JAMES and also JOHN and everyone else that wrote in the N.T.
Have you studied theology?
You must know what sanctification is.
I'm not repeating it. But you should find out.
It explains how you ARE to obey God and work for Him and with Him for your holiness.
You shouldn't be happy thinking you don't have to obey GOD.
You should be happy to obey your Savior and your Lord.
Some are happy to have Jesus as Savior.
But they are not happy about having Him as Lord.
IF He IS your Lord, then you MUST OBEY Him and do as He says.
It's not optional.