Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

[Enow]

No you are misunderstanding. The purpose of the baptism of Holy Spirit is to live out of His Resurrection life.

A life of the Supernatural power of God Almighty, just as Jesus did.

I've had tastes of it...but yet to experience tabernacles. These feasts are pictures, symbols of the truth for His body. If you are of His body...they all are for you. [/B]

When did Jesus spoke in tongue? Certainly not at His water baptism.

Did Jesus fall backwards when that happened? No. He would have drowned.

I do not doubt you had an experience, sister. I had too, but not of tongues, but of feeling a presence outside of me pushing me to go forward in this holy laughter movement, but that was the spirit of the antichrist that was pushing me just as it was the spirit of the antichrist falling on believers long after they had been saved bringing tongues that never comes with interpretation.

You do not have to have an experience of the Spirit coming over you to receive any other gifts of the Spirit because that is not how God's gift of tongues is received which is to speak unto the people in their native tongue. You ask Jesus for them, but Paul told you to seek the gift of prophesy instead.

Funny how everything is about tongues that comes with no interpretation; & yet rather... it is not funny at all.

 

[shrume]

....you guys are hyping tongues as a sign when seeking to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation.

You have said that several times now, and it's simply not true.

A person receives the gift of holy Spirit ONCE, when he becomes saved. A person does not need to separately ask God for the "gift" of tongues because tongues is not a gift. It is a manifestation of the gift of holy Spirit. Because every Christian is born of holy Spirit, every Christian has the ability (whether they know it or not) to manifest that gift in nine different ways, one of which is speaking in tongues.

That is why that tongues does not come with interpretation

Tongues is only to be interpreted when spoken in public. If a Christian is in a church meeting and wants to speak in tongues, he should also be prepared to interpret, so the church can be edified. If he does not want to interpret, he should speak in tongues quietly to himself.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

27) If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Paul spoke in tongues a LOT:

1 Cor 14:
18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19) Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

When spoken in public, tongues is useless to everyone but the speaker, UNLESS it is interpreted so the church can be edified (1 Cor 14:5).

 

[shrume]

When did Jesus spoke in tongue? Certainly not at His water baptism.

As far as we know, Jesus never spoke in tongues. It was not available to speak in tongues until the day of Pentecost, which was 10 days after he ascended.

I do not doubt you had an experience, sister. I had too, but not of tongues, but of feeling a presence outside of me pushing me to go forward in this holy laughter movement, but that was the spirit of the antichrist that was pushing me just as it was the spirit of the antichrist falling on believers long after they had been saved bringing tongues that never comes with interpretation.

The "holy laughter" movement is not of God.

You do not have to have an experience of the Spirit coming over you to receive any other gifts of the Spirit because that is not how God's gift of tongues is received which is to speak unto the people in their native tongue.

As mentioned, it does not take a "special outpouring" or "coming over" for Christians to speak in tongues. The ability to operate the manifestation of speaking in tongues is given the instant a person becomes born again, saved.

You ask Jesus for them, but Paul told you to seek the gift of prophesy instead.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

We are to covet to prophesy (1 Cor 14:39). I'm wondering, Enow, do YOU covet to prophesy? If not, why not?

1 Cor 14:39 also says to not forbid speaking in tongues. And as Paul wrote by inspiration in 1 Cor 14:5, God would like every Christian to speak in tongues.

Funny how everything is about tongues that comes with no interpretation; & yet rather... it is not funny at all.

What's "funny" about it? Or rather, what's "not funny" about it?

I submit that you simply don't understand what tongues is, and what it is for.

 

[Enow]

You have said that several times now, and it's simply not true.

It's supper time here and so I would like to ask you to make a poll in another thread in case some tongue speakers has me on ignore to test who here believes they can receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation after a sign of tongues or if they believe they can receive another baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues, and who does not.

Not sure if another poll is needed to see who believes that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and thus you are not saved, but I think it should be a separate poll.

Just as an aid to our discussion in this thread since it is obvious that not all tongue speakers are saying the same thing here.

Thanks in advance if you happen to have time to make a poll or two.

 

[wolfwint]

We do not speak in tongues as a language unknown to the speaker. When God was still brining new prophecy God He interpreted prophecy into what ever language he chose.At times more than ten different all at the same time.


Tongue is a sign to those who have no faith, the rebellious... they reject the authority of scripure making it to no effect. Big difference between tongues for those who belive not and prophecy for those who do belive.


No matter how many times or how often we feel weak and weary in this world.... speaking into the air will not refresh anything save the imaginations of ones own heart , Babel yes, refreshment no

Where it is written that tongue is a sign for those who have no faith and are rebellious?

 

[wolfwint]

You have said that several times now, and it's simply not true.

A person receives the gift of holy Spirit ONCE, when he becomes saved. A person does not need to separately ask God for the "gift" of tongues because tongues is not a gift. It is a manifestation of the gift of holy Spirit. Because every Christian is born of holy Spirit, every Christian has the ability (whether they know it or not) to manifest that gift in nine different ways, one of which is speaking in tongues.


Tongues is only to be interpreted when spoken in public. If a Christian is in a church meeting and wants to speak in tongues, he should also be prepared to interpret, so the church can be edified. If he does not want to interpret, he should speak in tongues quietly to himself.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

27) If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Paul spoke in tongues a LOT:

1 Cor 14:
18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19) Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

When spoken in public, tongues is useless to everyone but the speaker, UNLESS it is interpreted so the church can be edified (1 Cor 14:5).

Where is it written that every born again believers has the ability to manifest the gift of the Holy Spirit in 9 different ways? I dont know any scripture which proofes your claim.
So please show me. Also it wonders me that this see may so important doctrine not was taught before Azusa Street began.

 

[stonesoffire]

When did Jesus spoke in tongue? Certainly not at His water baptism.

Eli Eli lama is all Hebrew. Sabachthani is ancient Chaldean. And so is Talitha cumi. All had to be interpreted.

I have read that when the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, they were referring to tongues. I don't know how this is known and so far haven't checked.

Did Jesus fall backwards when that happened? No. He would have drowned.

No, but in the garden the soldiers fell backwards when He spoke "I AM".

I wasn't referring to slain in the Spirit and laughter by the way when I spoke about supernatural happenings. Ministering in the Spirit. I've only had a few experiences of this. Mostly after an extended fast.

 

[stonesoffire]

When did Jesus spoke in tongue? Certainly not at His water baptism.

Eli Eli lama is all Hebrew. Sabachthani is ancient Chaldean. And so is Talitha cumi. All had to be interpreted.

I have read that when the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, they were referring to tongues. I don't know how this is known and so far haven't checked.

Did Jesus fall backwards when that happened? No. He would have drowned.

No, but in the garden the soldiers fell backwards when He spoke "I AM".

I wasn't referring to slain in the Spirit and laughter by the way when I spoke about supernatural happenings. Ministering in the Spirit. I've only had a few experiences of this. Mostly after an extended fast.

 

[stonesoffire]

Sorry for the double post. I was actually replying to enow and lost it...then this happened? lol

 

[stonesoffire]

who here believes they can receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation after a sign of tongues or if they believe they can receive another baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues, and who does not.

This is confusing. One can be born again and later baptized in the Spirit. I have no idea what you are saying here.

 

[Enow]

You have said that several times now, and it's simply not true.

back from supper, but still hope you set up the poll so that all tongue speakers will vote in case some of them have me on ignore.

A person receives the gift of holy Spirit ONCE, when he becomes saved. A person does not need to separately ask God for the "gift" of tongues because tongues is not a gift.

1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]4[/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;[SUP] 10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Tongues are one of the gifts of the Spirit; and manifestation of the Spirit means the same thing as a gift of the Spirit.

It is a manifestation of the gift of holy Spirit. Because every Christian is born of holy Spirit, every Christian has the ability (whether they know it or not) to manifest that gift in nine different ways, one of which is speaking in tongues.

Hmmm.... are you trying to say tongues as listed among other gifts of the Spirit is one of them or tongues that can be used in 9 different ways? If the latter, how close is that to if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and thus you are not saved? I mean, if the latter, when a believers does not know he speaks in tongues or not, how does that not make them worry if they are saved or not? I hope you are not inferring the latter.

Tongues is only to be interpreted when spoken in public. If a Christian is in a church meeting and wants to speak in tongues, he should also be prepared to interpret, so the church can be edified. If he does not want to interpret, he should speak in tongues quietly to himself.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

27) If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

According to the precedent set forth in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter, only another can interpret that tongue. The tongue speaker cannot interpret his own tongue if it is manifested by the Holy Spirit because He divides it severally as He wills.

1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;[SUP] 10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Paul spoke in tongues a LOT:

1 Cor 14:
18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19) Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

When spoken in public, tongues is useless to everyone but the speaker, UNLESS it is interpreted so the church can be edified (1 Cor 14:5).

Yet in the church signifies that he does not do that a lot in church which is why he was emphasizing what he would rather do the edifying by a few words that he can speak of normally than speak in tongues. Being a missionary among the Gentiles with many foreign languages, I can see how tongues would be manifested in him to speak unto the Gentiles.

 

[graceNpeace]

This is confusing. One can be born again and later baptized in the Spirit. I have no idea what you are saying here.

I am a non-cessationist so take this the right way:

One of the reasons that so many Christians are sceptical of the gifts of the Spirit is this concept of a double baptism in the Holy Spirit that some Pentecostals and Charismatics support.
This is very poor theology and is NOT supportable Biblically.
This does Pentecostals no favours with others who are Biblical literate and undermines any discussion about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

I would encourage you to investigate this!

 

[stonesoffire]

I am a non-cessationist so take this the right way:

One of the reasons that so many Christians are sceptical of the gifts of the Spirit is this concept of a double baptism in the Holy Spirit that some Pentecostals and Charismatics support.
This is very poor theology and is NOT supportable Biblically.
This does Pentecostals no favours with others who are Biblical literate and undermines any discussion about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

I would encourage you to investigate this!

It's not a double baptism gracenpeace. It's repentance from sin and asking Jesus to come in. Was all I knew when I was born again. It's all the church I grew up in knew...and their sanctification was how they lived their life. It's seen, in my understanding, where Jesus breathed on the disciples and said, "receive ye my Holy Spirit". Without the Spirit of Christ we are none of His.

How many times have we heard this...I asked Jesus into my heart? Well, the light of the gospel message pierced the darkness within. And one is taken from the darkness into the light. We all know that we are changed, and we didn't change ourselves. This is being born from above. One can receive the baptism at the same moment, and others later.

The disciples failed Jesus when He breathed on them. They were repentant. They needed help. I believe this to be their new birth. Then Pentecost after they obeyed Him to wait for the promise of the Father.

It was that way for me. I went to Explo "72 in Dallas Texas and at the end of the meetings, along with 100,000 other believers, asked Holy Spirit to fill me. And He did. I actually felt a "wind" step into me. Not all will experience this the same.

So it is scriptural. And it happens all the time now. Especially since it's taught so little.

 

[Enow]

As far as we know, Jesus never spoke in tongues. It was not available to speak in tongues until the day of Pentecost, which was 10 days after he ascended.

Okay.

The "holy laughter" movement is not of God.

Yay! Glad we are in agreement there.

As mentioned, it does not take a "special outpouring" or "coming over" for Christians to speak in tongues. The ability to operate the manifestation of speaking in tongues is given the instant a person becomes born again, saved.


1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

We are to covet to prophesy (1 Cor 14:39). I'm wondering, Enow, do YOU covet to prophesy? If not, why not?

Prophecy is edifying others & I rely on Jesus Christ in me to do that; FYI. It is not about predicting the future.

1 Cor 14:39 also says to not forbid speaking in tongues.

Paul writes that God's gift of tongues were to be done in decency and in order for which THAT tongue were not to be forbidden. In no way would he validate vain and profane babbling or tongues as a prayer language. The tongue he talked about in verse 2 is the same tongue that needs interpretation.

And as Paul wrote by inspiration in 1 Cor 14:5, God would like every Christian to speak in tongues.

No, sir. When Paul says "I", he meant only himself.

What's "funny" about it? Or rather, what's "not funny" about it?

I submit that you simply don't understand what tongues is, and what it is for.

The fact that Paul began chapter 14 about believers being zealous for any spiritual gift, they were to desire to prophesy, and yet somehow after verse 1, you and the author of this OP seem to think it was tongues that Paul was exalting over all spiritual gift to seek after.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, butrather that ye may prophesy.

Again in reiterating the point of the chapter;

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

That was why he was comparing tongues against prophesy because tongues is not a stand alone gift for why they should seek after the gift of prophesy if and when they have a desire or being zealous for spiritual gifts.

This is proof that tongue speakers are taking verses out of context to think tongues is way better than what Paul was trying to exhort believers into seeking after as a spiritual gift through out that chapter which is to seek after the gift of prophesy, but only Jesus can help you see that.

 

[shrume]

It's supper time here and so I would like to ask you to make a poll in another thread in case some tongue speakers has me on ignore to test who here believes they can receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation after a sign of tongues or if they believe they can receive another baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues, and who does not.

Not sure if another poll is needed to see who believes that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and thus you are not saved, but I think it should be a separate poll.

Just as an aid to our discussion in this thread since it is obvious that not all tongue speakers are saying the same thing here.

Thanks in advance if you happen to have time to make a poll or two.

I'm the new guy here, and I do not feel comfortable creating polls. Maybe some day.

But what would a poll prove? Does might make right? Just because most people believe something, does that make it right? I don't think it necessarily does.

But I will answer your other posts.

 

[shrume]

Where is it written that every born again believers has the ability to manifest the gift of the Holy Spirit in 9 different ways? I dont know any scripture which proofes your claim.
So please show me.

1 Cor 12:
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man [Christian] to profit withal.

Every Christian has the gift of holy Spirit. Ergo, every Christian can manifest that gift.

Also:
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues....

Also it wonders me that this see may so important doctrine not was taught before Azusa Street began.

I believe it was taught and practiced in the first century. We have an Adversary, and I believe he worked overtime to minimize and corrupt the truth of what God made available to Christians through the gift of holy Spirit.

 

[graceNpeace]

It's not a double baptism gracenpeace. It's repentance from sin and asking Jesus to come in. Was all I knew when I was born again. It's all the church I grew up in knew...and their sanctification was how they lived their life. It's seen, in my understanding, where Jesus breathed on the disciples and said, "receive ye my Holy Spirit". Without the Spirit of Christ we are none of His.

How many times have we heard this...I asked Jesus into my heart? Well, the light of the gospel message pierced the darkness within. And one is taken from the darkness into the light. We all know that we are changed, and we didn't change ourselves. This is being born from above. One can receive the baptism at the same moment, and others later.

The disciples failed Jesus when He breathed on them. They were repentant. They needed help. I believe this to be their new birth. Then Pentecost after they obeyed Him to wait for the promise of the Father.

It was that way for me. I went to Explo "72 in Dallas Texas and at the end of the meetings, along with 100,000 other believers, asked Holy Spirit to fill me. And He did. I actually felt a "wind" step into me. Not all will experience this the same.

So it is scriptural. And it happens all the time now. Especially since it's taught so little.

No, you have recounted a personal experience.
That is not Scripture.
Your interpretation is the problem.

I have a pretty good idea of what you have been taught - and it is likely flawed, and that is the problem for those who know their theology better than you do.
That is what you need to sort out.

 

[shrume]

back from supper

I hope it was good!

but still hope you set up the poll so that all tongue speakers will vote in case some of them have me on ignore.

1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]4[/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;[SUP] 10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Tongues are one of the gifts of the Spirit

No they are not. Tongues are one of the nine MANIFESTATIONS of the singular gift of holy Spirit.

and manifestation of the Spirit means the same thing as a gift of the Spirit.

No it doesn't. This is sort of an appropriate analogy. Say I gave you a Swiss Army knife. That Swiss Army knife can be used in several different ways. It has a knife blade, a fish scaler, scissors, a couple of screw drivers, etc. The gift is the Swiss Army knife. Its manifestations are the various tools on it. I gave the knife to you, and it's yours to do with what you will. You may choose to use the knife, the scissors, or any of the tools that it comes with. Or you could keep it in your pocket and never use it at all. When a Christian is saved, he is sealed with the gift of holy spirit (Eph 1:13). In 1 Cor 12:7, Paul states that the manifestation of the spirit is given to EVERY MAN (Christian), and then the manifestations are listed. Tongues is one of the nine manifestations of the singular gift of holy Spirit.

Hmmm.... are you trying to say tongues as listed among other gifts of the Spirit is one of them or tongues that can be used in 9 different ways?

Tongues is one of the nine MANIFESTATIONS of the singular gift of holy Spirit. The other manifestations are word of knowledge, word of wisdom, faith, miracles, gifts of healings, discerning of spirits, interpretation of tongues, and prophesy.

If the latter, how close is that to if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and thus you are not saved? I mean, if the latter, when a believers does not know he speaks in tongues or not, how does that not make them worry if they are saved or not? I hope you are not inferring the latter.

I am NOT saying that if a Christian does not speak in tongues he is not saved! A person becomes saved when he confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and believes in his heart that God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9).

There are MANY wonderful Christians, born of Holy Spirit, who do not speak in tongues. Probably even MOST Christians do not speak in tongues. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that you're one of them... But I submit that the main reasons most Christians don't speak in tongues is because they do not know what it is, and they do not know that they can.

According to the precedent set forth in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter, only another can interpret that tongue. The tongue speaker cannot interpret his own tongue if it is manifested by the Holy Spirit because He divides it severally as He wills.

There is no precedent in 1 Cor 12 that says another must interpret what someone else speaks in a tongue. There are explicit verses that I listed above that say the person speaking in tongues is to be the one who interprets.

1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;[SUP] 10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The overall context of 1 Cor 11-14 is meetings in the church.

1 Cor 11:
17)(ESV) But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse.
17) (NIV) In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good.

IN MEETINGS, not everyone is to do everything. For one thing, there simply isn't time... God inspires different people to do different things. But Paul clearly states that all Christians are to speak in tongues (1 Cor 14:5a), and later in the chapter he gives an example:

1 Cor 14:
23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

That indicates that all Christians CAN speak in tongues (but not that they should all speak at once out loud).

And as far as another person must interpret what someone spoke in tongues, we have explicit instruction from Paul:

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

The person who speaks in tongues is to be the one who interprets.

Yet in the church signifies that he does not do that a lot in church which is why he was emphasizing what he would rather do the edifying by a few words that he can speak of normally than speak in tongues.

That is correct. Obviously, any teaching or preaching must be done in a language the people understand. When people speak in tongues, nobody understands what is being said unless it is interpreted (1 Cor 14:5). When people speak in tongues aloud and interpret, only two or three people should do it, one after another, and they must interpret (1 Cor 14:27).

Being a missionary among the Gentiles with many foreign languages, I can see how tongues would be manifested in him to speak unto the Gentiles.

Tongues is not a witnessing tool. Tongues is never used to teach the gospel.

 

[stonesoffire]

No, you have recounted a personal experience.
That is not Scripture.
Your interpretation is the problem.

I have a pretty good idea of what you have been taught - and it is likely flawed, and that is the problem for those who know their theology better than you do.
That is what you need to sort out.

Ok...well thanks for your opinion gracenpeace. Am glad at least that we agree on grace.

Oh, by the way. How would you explain Jesus breathing on the disciples and saying receive ye my Holy Spirit, and then afterwards Pentecost?

 

[graceNpeace]

Ok...well thanks for your opinion gracenpeace. Am glad at least that we agree on grace.

Oh, by the way. How would you explain Jesus breathing on the disciples and saying receive ye my Holy Spirit, and then afterwards Pentecost?

I will emphasise this:
I am not against the gifts of the Holy Spirit and talking in tongues.

The questions you raise are valid and you need better answers than the ones you currently have.
I am not wanting a nasty dispute over this so I am willing to engage on this issue of Pneumatology using private messaging - if you are interested...