Not By Works

[Grace777x70]

Does the knowledge that the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin because we are in Christ make us want to go out and sin all we want? No, a thousand times no. Jesus said "He who is forgiven much - loves much."

Knowing the real truth of Christ's work of grace and love for us in His great salvation - We run to our Father for everything including anything that hinders His life from being manifested in our lives.

We run to the Father knowing we are secure in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection. We run to the Father boldly to find grace and mercy in time of need.

Knowing that we have complete forgiveness of sins because of Christ's blood will always draw us back to Him for life and true living when we have gone our own way.

This holds true for the prodigal son as well as the prodigal older judgmental brother. As it turns out they both did not know the true nature of the Father.

The Father in these last days is showing His beloved children the beauty of Christ's finished work in the knowledge of the complete forgiveness of sins and they are coming back to the Father.

There will be streams of prodigal sons/daughters that have been dis-illusioned because of religious false teachings and false gospels of self-works and works-righteousness that they have been fed from religion coming to the Father for real life as they hear the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work.

Let's make sure they are met at the door by the Father Himself and not the self-righteous judgmental older brother who it turns out - does not really know the Father for who He really is.

The gospel is the only thing that has the power to effect real transformation in a believer. The good news of Christ Himself is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes. Rom. 1:16

 

[FranC]

[FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]1Corinthians1: 19-21

19 [/B][/FONT]For it is written:[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="][FONT="]“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
[FONT=monospace] [/FONT]the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+1%3A1-11%3A13&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28383c"]c[/URL]][/FONT]
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[FONT="]20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

Theology is the study of God, it is most certainly not the knowledge of Him.

Call me foolish and uneducated. I will take that over any theologian. Whatever your theological menu item you choose, that is entirely up to you.
If you wish to count yourself intelligent and wise because of your "knowledge" of God through theology, then have at it.
I will take my knowing Him through the gift of the Holy Spirit as testified in the bible any day of the week.

Frankly or should I say Fran C ly, your attitude is rude and condescending and isn't worth the keyboard sweat it came from.[/FONT]

Excuse me, but if you don't understand about the Kingdom, how could you unerstand how to stay in it?
Do you realize that Jesus spoke more about the Kingdome than of salvation?

Not everything is learned by reading the bible.
Some things are learned by studying theology.

Take it as you will.

 

[dcontroversal]

the persecution coming is not going to be from Islam, its going to come from professed Christians that deny His Lordship...has happened many times in the past..right now they have laws to restraining such evil, but that is going to deminish in the future as the one world gooberment is being set in place.....the most feared person to them is one who lives holy, they despise holiness with a passion..the venom can be seen in some right on this forum.....

It is called the truth as opposed to your Cainology and your working for sinless dogma....try the truth instead of your fables....

 

[Ariel82]

what they dont like Fran is that you have the love of God, not the fluffy love of puppy dogs, kittens, loli-pops, roses, cup cakes,, and roman catholic hearts.......how mean you are they must think to themselves..
w

What's wrong with puppy dogs, kittens, lolipops, roses and cupcakes?

Actually I was thinking I like the teddy bears and what they would like if decked in the armor of God....how mean Fran is never crossed my mind except when I read your comment...then my next thought was..."how odd"

 

[FranC]

[FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]1Corinthians1: 19-21

19 [/B][/FONT]For it is written:[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="][FONT="]“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
[FONT=monospace] [/FONT]the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+1%3A1-11%3A13&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28383c"]c[/URL]][/FONT]
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[FONT="]20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

Theology is the study of God, it is most certainly not the knowledge of Him.

Call me foolish and uneducated. I will take that over any theologian. Whatever your theological menu item you choose, that is entirely up to you.
If you wish to count yourself intelligent and wise because of your "knowledge" of God through theology, then have at it.
I will take my knowing Him through the gift of the Holy Spirit as testified in the bible any day of the week.

Frankly or should I say Fran C ly, your attitude is rude and condescending and isn't worth the keyboard sweat it came from.[/FONT]

P.S.

I don't sweat when I type.

 

[FranC]

uh...1963. Thanks anyway.

Did I misunderstand??

Did you say you were the first baby born in 1963?

Anyway, it's good that you were born.

 

[joefizz]

ok back to what this thread was originally about,being saved is about humbly asking God to save your soul and accepting Jesus as your saviour,sincerely in your own words to God,as for salvation it self,salvation still requires good works for are we to say that the idle who are saved obtain heaven seeing as that they are sluggards,nay for one must be hot or cold for God not luke warm,and of a certainty you know whom is"truly" saved by their fruits(works)people take it too often to their heads in this world that just because you are saved that you no longer have to do anything for God or worse yet they believe that they can do sin all they want and somehow still receive heaven,well if there be any so foolish here is a little scripture to set you straight...Jesus said,"not all who say unto me lord lord shall enter unto heaven" many people believe this to be just for the lost and sin sick nay this is for the saved as well for if you do nothing with what knowledge God has given you out of appreciation for God saving your soul then how can you enter heaven,seeing as that if you are saved and do nothing that all that is evident is that you have not done anything for God,mere faith is not enough for if one believes that they are saved and will go to heaven,this doesn't make their statement true,we are indeed to be vigilant of Jesus's return,but if we are to sit around waiting and do nothing for God then why is there this scipture?..."Ye men of Galilee,why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus,which is taken up from you into heaven,shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven"Acts chapter 1 verse 11,so you see though we be saved we are not to be idle or merely gazing into heaven waiting on Jesus for when he does come he expects that "We" will have led as many souls to God as possible,being saved is not some run of the mill"guarantee" that you will enter into heaven,it is a means to start learning God's word through the holy spirit and eventually leading others to God,do not be fooled,being saved is not a free pass to sin nor to be idle,if you believe this then Satan is whom is telling you this,for since when has God ever been glad of the idle? or when has God ever said in his word that salvation is all that is required for heaven? God is long suffering that all are to be led to repentance,if salvation is all we need then here is a bigger question,what use are we then to God? if we take what God gives us and we do not seek to add unto God then we have failed him but our pride gets us to believe we have done right for God by doing so,being saved is not the end of your work for God it is the beginning,when you are done for God is when you take your final breathe after working righteous ly for God, plain and simple!

hope somebody will read this with "patience".

 

[stonesoffire]

Did I misunderstand??

Did you say you were the first baby born in 1963?

Anyway, it's good that you were born.

I'm letting it go...it was to the young man who posted about lady bird Johnson. Completely you misunderstood. Probably my fault.

 

[Ariel82]

I'm biting...where? I have an excuse...first baby born then.

Lady Bird Johnson Biography :: National First Ladies' Library

I have an excuse too...I wasn't born for another 20 years.

So your eldest child is 20 years older than me?

 

[UnderGrace]

WOW indeed!!

Well it would seem we have a resident psychologist here, who does not even need to administer any IQ tests, she can tell just from few posts on a discussion board.

Well, I think whatever the source of this amazing ability perhaps it could be bottled like perfume, and sold at the next convention of the American Psychological Association.

It could be called Arrogance by FranC


Sometimes I just have to have fun with things.

WOW...........!!!!

 

[FranC]

what they dont like Fran is that you have the love of God, not the fluffy love of puppy dogs, kittens, loli-pops, roses, cup cakes,, and roman catholic hearts.......how mean you are they must think to themselves..
w

Yeah.
Tough Love.

I DO love kittens, though.

 

[graceNpeace]

hope somebody will read this with "patience".

Joe a block of text like that may as well be written in Sanskrit for all the reading it will get here on this forum!

Try paragraphs and formatting...

 

[FranC]

WOW indeed!!

Well it would seem we have a resident psychologist here, who does not even need to administer any IQ tests, she can tell just from few posts on a discussion board.

Well, I think whatever the source of this amazing ability perhaps it could be bottled like perfume, and sold at the next convention of the American Psychological Association.

It could be called Arrogance by FranC


Sometimes I just have to have fun with things.

LOL.
Very good undergrace.

However, it's true nonetheless.
Yes Ma'am.

 

[Ariel82]

Excuse me, but if you don't understand about the Kingdom, how could you unerstand how to stay in it?
Do you realize that Jesus spoke more about the Kingdome than of salvation?

Not everything is learned by reading the bible.
Some things are learned by studying theology.

Take it as you will.

Cuz...the Holy spirit teaches us using the Bible.

I have studied theologicans but God teaches all His Kids about His kingdom..even ones who don't have a written Bible. his holy spirit teaches us.

 

[Ariel82]

LOL.
Very good undergrace.

However, it's true nonetheless.
Yes Ma'am.

Will it smell like roses and cupcakes?

 

[stonesoffire]

Lady Bird Johnson Biography :: National First Ladies' Library

I have an excuse too...I wasn't born for another 20 years.

So your eldest child is 20 years older than me?

Thanks Ariel...glad you understood.

That's my oldest. My truest baby would 13 years older than you. Are you single? lol

 

[dcontroversal]

Joe a block of text like that may as well be written in Sanskrit for all the reading it will get here on this forum!

Try paragraphs and formatting...

Does not matter.....I started reading it and got to one must have works and needed not go any further....it is faith alone that saves....end of story...faith plus works FOR=false gospel with no power and double cursed.....end of story.....

 

[FranC]

hope somebody will read this with "patience".

Hey, JF, try using paragraphs next time. This time I'll do it for you...
Only because you're new to the thread !


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ok back to what this thread was originally about

,being saved is about humbly asking God to save your soul and accepting Jesus as your saviour,sincerely in your own words to God,

as for salvation it self,salvation still requires good works for are we to say that the idle who are saved obtain heaven seeing as that they are sluggards,nay for one must be hot or cold for God not luke warm,

and of a certainty you know whom is"truly" saved by their fruits(works)people take it too often to their heads in this world that just because you are saved that you no longer have to do anything for God or worse yet they believe that they can do sin all they want and somehow still receive heaven,

well if there be any so foolish here is a little scripture to set you straight...Jesus said,"not all who say unto me lord lord shall enter unto heaven" many people believe this to be just for the lost and sin sick nay this is for the saved as well for if you do nothing with what knowledge God has given you out of appreciation for God saving your soul then how can you enter heaven,

seeing as that if you are saved and do nothing that all that is evident is that you have not done anything for God,mere faith is not enough for if one believes that they are saved and will go to heaven,this doesn't make their statement true,we are indeed to be vigilant of Jesus's return,but if we are to sit around waiting and do nothing for God then why is there this scipture?..

."Ye men of Galilee,why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus,which is taken up from you into heaven,shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven"Acts chapter 1 verse 11,so you see though we be saved we are not to be idle or merely gazing into heaven waiting on Jesus

for when he does come he expects that "We" will have led as many souls to God as possible,being saved is not some run of the mill"guarantee" that you will enter into heaven,it is a means to start learning God's word through the holy spirit and eventually leading others to God,do not be fooled,being saved is not a free pass to sin nor to be idle,if you believe this then Satan is whom is telling you this,for since when has God ever been glad of the idle?

or when has God ever said in his word that salvation is all that is required for heaven? God is long suffering that all are to be led to repentance,if salvation is all we need then here is a bigger question,what use are we then to God? if we take what God gives us and we do not seek to add unto God then we have failed him but our pride gets us to believe we have done right for God by doing so

,being saved is not the end of your work for God it is the beginning,when you are done for God is when you take your final breathe after working righteous ly for God, plain and simple!

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[stonesoffire]

Fran

Paul learned by revelation...two ways that I can see. One when he was caught up...at least it's my belief that he was speaking of himself in that scripture, and by the gift of knowledge and wisdom..or prophetically..or hearing the Voice of God. There's four.


I seriously doubt he was writing a thesis.

 

[Ariel82]

Thanks Ariel...glad you understood.

That's my oldest. My truest baby would 13 years older than you. Are you single? lol

Nope. Happily married with two kids 11 and 9.