Not By Works

[Ariel82]

Yes, there is a list in your bible. One of God's promises is eternal life/security, so if someone doesn't believe in eternal life, how is it possible for them to have God's love in them?

I think if we can hold onto the major promise, we can eventually learn the rest.

The one I hold onto is that we are beloved children of God, wonderfully and beautifully made, washed clean of our inquities by the blood of the Lamb for a divine purpose that He will reveal to us as we walk this earth as Ambassodors for our Father King with the powers and responsibility that comes with both titles, clothed in spiritual armor and gifted with everything we need to live godly lives.

I believe God teaches us what we need to know and helps us overcome false doctrines the world may have taught us...

For example "God helps those who help themselves" is not found in the Bible. "God helps those who help others in need for His glory" is.

 

[Stephen63]

Can you not read? Go ahead and show me if you can, where I said that God's elect can be destroyed. Will you say the same to Jesus because He said that the gates of Hades will not overcome the church? But it sure does try. Do you not know, see, or understand the difference?

Oh, yeah, I can read, between the lines, even.

Let's look at it again.....

Right, just like I am free to say I did not ask you. What names did I call you???

You say the us and them mentality saddens your soul but you have your own breakdowns of us and them, I have seen it, so get sad all you want, defend the liars and pretenders all you want, pretend they do not do the same things over and over again and then act innocent or pretend it does not exist 1 when their blatant lies are pointed out to them, 2where their exegetical errors are made clear to them, nothing changes them, 3 they are hell bent on trying to destroying God's elect, 4they work for Satan, us and them, hmm, yeah, I stand with those on the side of God, there is a decided division, pick your side carefully, or pretend there are no sides, if you prefer.

Are you gonna say you never said those things? Inquiring readers want to know....

 

[Ariel82]

The mods have level heads, so get rid of most of the sleasy people. I figured if they are still here maybe God has a purpose.

We were all lost at one point and Jesus said to love our enemies.

Why do people not put that into practice?

 

[Ariel82]

Oh, yeah, I can read, between the lines, even.

Let's look at it again.....



Are you gonna say you never said those things? Inquiring readers want to know....

She isn't gonna deny she thinks you're a minion of Satan or doing his work.

.she is gonna deny that she thinks God's elect can be destroyed.

What is it that you want from her?

An apology? I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Stephen63]

The world can't destroy a person's salvation or separate God's children from Him. Nothing can snatch us from His hand.

However, Satan seeks to destroy our lives and testimony and this is by tempting us to sin. Then enslaving us by either being unrepentant (not admiring its a sin to cause contention, lie, teach a false gospel, etc.) or feel so condemned and defeated we hide (like Adam and Eve did).

Yeah you didn't ask me, but figured some one should state the truth.

Who is "we"?

I notice many times folks will cry all day long what they believe, then they will make a post like that as if they don't believe it at all.

That's one of the reasons I believe they're getting paid to post that poison..... They post like they're trying to sell their wares, not like they live & believe it.

Like a car salesman.

 

[PeterJens]

I have seen it, so get sad all you want, defend the liars and pretenders all you want, pretend they do not do the same things over and over again and then act innocent or pretend it does not exist when

their blatant lies are pointed out to them, where their exegetical errors are made clear to them, nothing changes them,

they are hell bent on trying todestroying God's elect,

they work for Satan, us and them, hmm, yeah,

I stand with those on the side of God,

there is a decided division, pick your side carefully, or pretend there are no sides, if you prefer.

This is a very heavy load of statements.
Now people who just accept blanket theology, and want to label a group who do not agree
with these blanket statements, just have a different interpretation of theology, and may
equally be following God as the other group.

You can only tell who is doing what by talking about actually ideas and consequences,
foundations realities.

The sad thing is when the pharisees faced Jesus and His points, they knew He represented
something different so they started saying He was demon possessed and evil.
The truth was they were slaves to sin, hypocrites and liars, and had no problem escalating
a theological discussion up into the personal and thereby forcing physical violence.

Jesus says this about who is with Him and who is not

Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
John 14:23

Do you obey Jesus? If the answer is no, you are not on His side.

You are my friends if you do what I command.
John 15:14

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven.
Matt 5:43

If you can love people, you have begun to know the heart of Christ.

 

[Ariel82]

I notice many times folks will cry all day long what they believe, then they will make a post like that as if they don't believe it at all.

That's one of the reasons I believe they're getting paid to post that poison..... They post like they're trying to sell their wares, not like they live & believe it.

Like a car salesman.

Most people don't examine their own actions. I know I can be guilty of it too at times. That is when God convicts me and shows me that what I SAY I believe doesn't line up with how I live my life.

WHEN God shows you your sin, you either admit to it and ask for forgiveness or you deny it and walk further away from God.

I dont believe the name calling on either side really helps the conversation.

Calling someone a "car salesman" is like saying they are a hypocrite, right?

Selling what they don't want to buy themselves?

 

[Magenta]

Oh, yeah, I can read, between the lines, even.

Let's look at it again.....

Are you gonna say you never said those things? Inquiring readers want to know....

Twist away, I still never said what you asked about. That makes you a pretender, and your conscience should be pricked, for all your obfuscations, but it seems not to be, which really does not surprise me.

 

[Magenta]

She isn't gonna deny she thinks you're a minion of Satan or doing his work.

.she is gonna deny that she thinks God's elect can be destroyed.

What is it that you want from her?

An apology? I wouldn't hold my breath.

What? Stephen is the one who included himself in the scenario I presented. Why are you lying about me? Your behaviour right now is despicable.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

hope somebody will read this with "patience".

Read it, praying for the eternal soul of the person who wrote it, and for him to patiently read all of scripture

 

[Ariel82]

False doctrines have a demonic source.


However we should all pray for God's light and wisdom to show us if any of our believes are false.

Like Dcon said, there is only ONE way to GOD and that is through the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I have stated what I believe the gospel to be.

I am okay with people using different words to express the same ideas.
.however I too stand opposed to people teaching false doctrines ...

The only difference is I believe the enemy is not flesh and blood but the lies and spiritual strongholds that war against God's wisdom. God wants us to set the captives free.

 

[Stephen63]

She isn't gonna deny she thinks you're a minion of Satan or doing his work.

.she is gonna deny that she thinks God's elect can be destroyed.

What is it that you want from her?

An apology? I wouldn't hold my breath.

I'll tell you what I wanted: Honesty, & integrity.

When folks "claim" to be christian, & talk like they don't have to answer to anyone, The fruits don't match the claims.

Here again is one of those scenarios that they claim they don't do.

Now it seems they blatantly lie & lie again saying they didn't say it.

I've caught her & dcon both doing it.

You know what else? their minions won't correct them..... in fact, they BACK them, making them just as sinful & responsible for that sin.

 

[Ariel82]

What? Stephen is the one who included himself in the scenario I presented. Why are you lying about me? Your behaviour right now is despicable.

So you don't think him a minion of Satan?

Who do you think "they" is then?

 

[Magenta]

I answer the question of how Satan can destroy God's elect, because it's a question that needs to be answered.
We should all be warned of Satan's tricks and how he attempts to make us ineffective for God.

Why are you so confrontational?

Cuz I don't agree to judge and condemn folks with false doctrines as Satan's minions?

Because I have hope and FAITH that GOD CAN CHANGE ANY HEART and deliver everyone of His Kids out of false doctrines?

Because I would rather have peace then contention?

Because I see past the harsh words on both sides to hearts that seek God and His truth.

Because I can see how Satan has twisted what is said and what is heard to cause conflict and I stand in prayer that my brothers and sisters see past the lies to what the other person is saying?

Yes we don't agree on everything, but we agree on alot more than the fighting would have you to think.

If asking questions and making observations makes me confrontational, what does that make you, besides a hypocrite? Your pretensions do not go unnoticed by others, you judge people, you have your own versions of us and them, you now say one thing and then turn around and do the very thing you deny doing, ascribing to Satan things you claim you never would.

 

[Magenta]

So you don't think him a minion of Satan?

Who do you think "they" is then?

You are the one that falsely accused me of such, among other things. Why don't you take ownership of that and apologize for that and for pretending I owed Stephen an apology for something I never said nor intended?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Uhhh, M, she's defending you, not lying about you.. You DON'T think God's elect can be destroyed, and you DO think that there are many minions of satan on earth. Right?

What? Stephen is the one who included himself in the scenario I presented. Why are you lying about me? Your behaviour right now is despicable.

 

[Ariel82]

I'll tell you what I wanted: Honesty, & integrity.

When folks "claim" to be christian, & talk like they don't have to answer to anyone, The fruits don't match the claims.

Here again is one of those scenarios that they claim they don't do.

Now it seems they blatantly lie & lie again saying they didn't say it.

I've caught her & dcon both doing it.

You know what else? their minions won't correct them..... in fact, they BACK them, making them just as sinful & responsible for that sin.

What does it mean to you to be Christian Stephen?

What fruit do you expect from others and do you also display it?

People honestly express what they feel.

What do you consider integrity?

It's a loaded word and I hope we all have it, but I have learned not to assume the word means the same thing to me as it does to others.

 

[Stephen63]

If I didn't know any better, I'd think someone got caught & now is trying to get the thread shut down to cover it up.

Doesn't matter..... they'll get caught again.

 

[Magenta]

Uhhh, M, she's defending you, not lying about you.. You DON'T think God's elect can be destroyed, and you DO think that there are many minions of satan on earth. Right?

Blue, you are confused. She just laid a whole slew of false accusations at my doorstep.

 

[blue_ladybug]

She wasn't pretending that you own him an apology, she was pretty much saying you don't owe him one, so he won't get one even if he holds his breath..

You are the one that falsely accused me of such, among other things. Why don't you take ownership of that and apologize for that and for pretending I owed Stephen an apology for something I never said nor intended?