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No, it started before that, with your attitude. You still have it. Like pretending you have the right to make observations and ask questions but when others do they are being confrontational. I realize you will make excuses for yourself and pretend you are different but it dos not change the facts.
Haha okay you play the victim. You're good at it.
The people you defend. Do you not even know who they are? No, I do not mean all of them. Is there anyone you don't defend? Oh, besides me. Me you attack and falsely accuse and then pretend I owe others apologies when they attack and falsely accuse me of things I did not do. Telling you the truth upset you and make you want to blame me by pretending I am playing the victim. You behavior is detestable and you accuse me again because I point it out to you. You have no idea.
That is much closer, though not a bulls eye. Instead of falsely accusing and then demanding I answer you, perhaps you could acknowledge that apologizing or at least admitting to me that you were mistaken would have gone a long way to helping me be amenable to answering your unreasonable demands. Instead you apologized to the person who inserted himself into a scenario and then pretends others are to blame for what he did, while you pile more false accusations onto me... and pretend you haven't. Are you done yet?
Well, I see myself more as defending against your attacks, while you falsely accuse me repeatedly and pretend you have not, as you pretend innocence and elevate yourself above others for the very same things you do. Your double standard is duly noted. I am sorry you don't like having it pointed out to you.
Haha okay you play the victim. You're good at it.
The people you defend. Do you not even know who they are? No, I do not mean all of them. Is there anyone you don't defend? Oh, besides me. Me you attack and falsely accuse and then pretend I owe others apologies when they attack and falsely accuse me of things I did not do. Telling you the truth upset you and make you want to blame me by pretending I am playing the victim. You behavior is detestable and you accuse me again because I point it out to you. You have no idea.
That is much closer, though not a bulls eye. Instead of falsely accusing and then demanding I answer you, perhaps you could acknowledge that apologizing or at least admitting to me that you were mistaken would have gone a long way to helping me be amenable to answering your unreasonable demands. Instead you apologized to the person who inserted himself into a scenario and then pretends others are to blame for what he did, while you pile more false accusations onto me... and pretend you haven't. Are you done yet?
Well, I see myself more as defending against your attacks, while you falsely accuse me repeatedly and pretend you have not, as you pretend innocence and elevate yourself above others for the very same things you do. Your double standard is duly noted. I am sorry you don't like having it pointed out to you.
Wow, is that really how you attempt to make peace? I am sorry but after everything you said and the attitude you displayed I cannot believe you. Or Stephen for that matter, really. He inserted himself into what I said and acted as if I was talking about him when I was not, but if he saw himself then the shoe must have fit; he certainly put it on and tromped around in it.
There was another thread a little while ago where some member came in and started throwing all kinds of false accusations and lies around and then made excuses and tried to justify what they had done, and strong arm me into accepting their excuses for their reprehensible behavior as if the rationalizations and outraged demands presented were some kind of apology that I as a Christian was somehow required to accept. But you know, accepting what they said as an apology would be dishonest. They had not offered an apology any more than Stephen has offered any kind of apology to me for inserting himself and repeatedly pretending I said something I did not.
There was another thread a little while ago where some member came in and started throwing all kinds of false accusations and lies around and then made excuses and tried to justify what they had done, and strong arm me into accepting their excuses for their reprehensible behavior as if the rationalizations and outraged demands presented were some kind of apology that I as a Christian was somehow required to accept. But you know, accepting what they said as an apology would be dishonest. They had not offered an apology any more than Stephen has offered any kind of apology to me for inserting himself and repeatedly pretending I said something I did not.
How did I "insert myself" into this convo of yours when at the time, I was the only one of the other group posting?
Besides, whether I did or not, you still claimed others were trying to destroy the righteous, something according to YOUR doctrine can't be done!
I just called it out on the carpet..... the rest is your fault.
Besides, whether I did or not, you still claimed others were trying to destroy the righteous, something according to YOUR doctrine can't be done!
I just called it out on the carpet..... the rest is your fault.
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What you "called on the carpet" was something I did not even say and you keep pretending otherwise. I made a post to somebody else about other people and you jumped in and included yourself and now you keep trying to pin that on me, but that is dishonest of you Stephen. I was not talking to you and I was not talking about you, YOU inserted yourself and YOU need to take responsibility for that, but I doubt you will.
I found this at Apostasy | Reformed Bible Studies & Devotionals at Ligonier.org
Apostasy is the sad reality that can cause difficulties for the doctrine of perseverance. We all know people who have fallen away after making a profession of faith and, at least from what we can see, have never returned to the fold.
This falling away from the faith is the very definition of apostasy, and it has been a problem for ages. For example, we have already considered Hymenaeus and Alexander, two men who made shipwreck of their faith during apostolic times (1 Tim. 1:18–20).
Clearly, it is possible for professing Christians to abandon the Lord. Determining whether faith-possessing Christians can commit final apostasy, however, requires that we answer two questions.
First, is the falling away temporary or final? Someone who appears to have denied Jesus has not necessarily fallen permanently. Just as we all know people who apparently never returned to Christ, all of us have also known people who were restored to faith after falling away for a season. Peter is perhaps the best-known New Testament example of this phenomenon (John 18:15–27; 21:15–19). When we look at the Old Testament, we see that it was many months before David repented over his sins of murder and adultery (2 Sam. 11:1–12:15a). Both individuals demonstrate how a person who seems to have fallen away may not have actually become an apostate.
Second, is the person who seems to have fallen permanently someone who possessed faith or someone who only professed faith? Remember that many people claim to be saved without really being one of the Lord’s people. Several New Testament passages indicate that those persons who commit final apostasy professed faith without possessing it. First John 2:19 is clear that members of God’s family do not fall away permanently.
These questions should remind us of our limitations. Only God can truly see the heart. Some people profess faith falsely. Others who seem to have fallen away will eventually be restored. At Jesus’ return there will likely be some surprises when we see who really trusted Him and who did not (Matt. 7:21–23).
Apostasy is the sad reality that can cause difficulties for the doctrine of perseverance. We all know people who have fallen away after making a profession of faith and, at least from what we can see, have never returned to the fold.
This falling away from the faith is the very definition of apostasy, and it has been a problem for ages. For example, we have already considered Hymenaeus and Alexander, two men who made shipwreck of their faith during apostolic times (1 Tim. 1:18–20).
Clearly, it is possible for professing Christians to abandon the Lord. Determining whether faith-possessing Christians can commit final apostasy, however, requires that we answer two questions.
First, is the falling away temporary or final? Someone who appears to have denied Jesus has not necessarily fallen permanently. Just as we all know people who apparently never returned to Christ, all of us have also known people who were restored to faith after falling away for a season. Peter is perhaps the best-known New Testament example of this phenomenon (John 18:15–27; 21:15–19). When we look at the Old Testament, we see that it was many months before David repented over his sins of murder and adultery (2 Sam. 11:1–12:15a). Both individuals demonstrate how a person who seems to have fallen away may not have actually become an apostate.
Second, is the person who seems to have fallen permanently someone who possessed faith or someone who only professed faith? Remember that many people claim to be saved without really being one of the Lord’s people. Several New Testament passages indicate that those persons who commit final apostasy professed faith without possessing it. First John 2:19 is clear that members of God’s family do not fall away permanently.
These questions should remind us of our limitations. Only God can truly see the heart. Some people profess faith falsely. Others who seem to have fallen away will eventually be restored. At Jesus’ return there will likely be some surprises when we see who really trusted Him and who did not (Matt. 7:21–23).
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Since we cannot see the hearts of others, we cannot assume that those who now repudiate the faith they once professed have actually left the fold permanently. This means that we should pray for those who appear to be apostate, asking the Lord to work in their hearts and bring them back to Himself. Consider today those in your life who seem to have repudiated Jesus and pray that they would yet return to the faith they once professed.
Since we cannot see the hearts of others, we cannot assume that those who now repudiate the faith they once professed have actually left the fold permanently. This means that we should pray for those who appear to be apostate, asking the Lord to work in their hearts and bring them back to Himself. Consider today those in your life who seem to have repudiated Jesus and pray that they would yet return to the faith they once professed.
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At work we have a certain people who stir the pot, then when things get good and hot they like to come in and be the peacemaker. It took me a while to really see what was happening,
We have the prickly type at work too but at least
there is no mistaking who they are.
At work I stay away from both because I have learned I become just like them.
We have the prickly type at work too but at least
there is no mistaking who they are.
At work I stay away from both because I have learned I become just like them.