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Fyi, Jimbo....Bill "lost his rag" because of what you said, not Dcon comments.

If you read back over your words, they were kind of harsh. Hopefully you and Bill can make peace.
I never said anything wrong other than rebuke him in love..and of course all i did was say evidently which he took as me calling him liar..

i ment in his favor he is allowed to kick off ,,, and that i would accept this as an apology..
 
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Not everyone says easy believism means "do what you want".

But many of them still live in sin. Yep.

It's called disobedience..... not doing what God says. It is also rebellion to disobey. And that's worse than witchcraft.:rolleyes:

Parable of Two Sons

28“But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, ‘Son, go work today in the vineyard.’ 29“And he answered, ‘I will not’; but afterward he regretted it and went.30“The man came to the second and said the same thing; and he answered, ‘I will, sir’; but he did not go. 31Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you.32“For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.
 
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AMEN...and I knew when I had seen what Jimmy said about Bill, that it would cut like a knife and cause wounds.....and my post about his character in saying such a thing (to quote the English or the Aussies) was SPOT ON......

You just do not cut someone like that who is having difficulties already and then they have the guts to openly post it, and then get hammered in such a heartless way....
no mate i read my post and ralised it could upset him the wrong way but posted it anyway coz i kinda hoped that bluntness would shine a light... you however saw the bad in it and didnt even bother to ask what i ment because if you look again you could seee some light in there..
 

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just to clarify have you had your real faith given too and some of us here havent ??
Romans 12:3 - For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.

1 Corinthians 12:9 - to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit.

God has granted a differing measure of faith to His children. I don't see this as faith that all Christians have in Christ, since Paul implies that some in the body of Christ have it and others don't. I see it as a special endowment of faith to accomplish certain tasks in ministry.
 
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freshly edited absolute rubish billy lad all i can say is your brain washed... billy you need to wake up ... sin is sin no matter what you say to me the proof in the pudding is when one becomes welll mannered...........


which is evidently hard for you to maintain when you suffer with anxiety ,,


this is truth i suffer the same. freshly edited to show my intent...),,,



how ever billy mate you dont know the stuff ive seen and what i know people can still be cursed from God in this day... which i can show you if you want
tell me whats wrong with this ?
 
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1John 3:4Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7Little children, make sure no one deceives you;the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

No difference between those who left Christ & sinners.
 
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I never said anything wrong other than rebuke him in love..and of course all i did was say evidently which he took as me calling him liar..

i ment in his favor he is allowed to kick off ,,, and that i would accept this as an apology..
Seriously you don't get it?

I could find the post and recreate it into an arrow to sound you as you wounded him, but what purpose would it serve?

You owe him an apology Jimbo. I hope you are man enough to give him one.
 
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Just to clarify are you saying real faith can be given instead of a diffrent faith ? are you saying some peoples faiths that are given are diffrent ?? or are you saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!! that the only faith that gets given is a real faith that will never perish..




and of course are you saying youve had yours given ?

Greetings JIMBO,

I am not answering for Stephan, but I would like to comment on your question if i might..

All men/women are endowed by God with a measure of faith. Jesus said all one needs is a mustard seed of faith. Of course that's just the beginning, because He also said IF ye continue in my word ye shall be free indeed. ( a big IF is implied). And the apostle Peter instructs us to add virtuous qualities to our faith (via good works) as we grow in the Spirit, (note: this is not growth in sanctification, but rather growth in the Spirit, because at the new birth the cup is always full/sanctified/justified no matter it's size, and remains so IF one is walking after the Spirit, and not after the flesh)...

Because the influence and consequences of sin entered into the world, God also determines ability based on capacity as well. (to whomsoever much is given much is required)..The bible says love God with all YOUR heart, and soul, not all of Paul's' heart and soul, nor all of Jesus heart and sou, but all of YOUR heart, soul, mind, and strength...This capacity varies based on many different circumstances and developments...

Along with natural endowed faith, we also have a natural endowed reasoning and conscience capabilities. Again, according to the measure given and the consequences invoked...From the light of reason and conscience "logos", we are made in His image to be logical beings, John 1-1, 1-9. (note: i might add here also that rebellious sin is not of sound reasoning faculties, therefore sin is illogical)...That being said, the bible speaks of the half-hearted and double minded, who desire part of God and in many cases most of the world, (this is the seed sown among thorns), the cares of this world chokes the faith and it becomes a half-hearted faith lacking works of sincerity and righteous motives, whereas the apostle James said faith without works is dead. If so, we can then place our God given faith in the things of this world which is all wood, hay, and stubble....This is why James told them to purify their hearts in repentance, and eradicate the double-mindedness, for one cant serve two masters...without the zeal found in 2 Cor. 7-11, one will always remain the Romans wretch with a half-hearted faith that cant be proven by deeds, trying to serve two masters...hope this helps, be blessed
 
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The Death of the Passover Lamb Was NOT Enough
When the Lord was going to pass over Egypt and destroy the firstborn, he said to Moses and Aaron in Exodus 12:13...
"And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and WHEN I SEE THE BLOOD, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt."
The death of the lamb wasn't enough, the blood had to be applied Mr. MacArthur. God wasn't looking for a dead lamb in the backyard; No, rather, God was looking for the APPLIED BLOOD on the doorposts and lintel (doorplate) above the door. The blood had to be applied. John MacArthur's entire ministry is flawed, and he is a false prophet, simply because he is WRONG on the most important Christian doctrine of all—Jesus precious, literal, liquid, blood! No genuinely saved person would ever deny the redemptive power of Jesus' physical blood!
“Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” —Hebrews 9:12It's The Blood Of Jesus!


This is the basis of our salvation. The blood that is applied to the mercy seat in heaven. MrArthur states it's not the blood, but the death of Jesus.

There is where I stopped reading. And I remember reading that apostasy starts with denying the blood. I think it was a prophetic article. Was long ago that I read this.

He sounds good, but if one has not faith in the shed blood of Jesus...what is his/her salvation based on? It does become ones' own work.
 
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tell me whats wrong with this ?
If I told you that you were brain washed and that your anxiety causes you to react and say things that hurt people?

What would you say?
 
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no mate i read my post and ralised it could upset him the wrong way but posted it anyway coz i kinda hoped that bluntness would shine a light... you however saw the bad in it and didnt even bother to ask what i ment because if you look again you could seee some light in there..
So now you add insult to injury by calling Bill a liar....HE HAS SAID THAT WHAT I POSTED had no bearing on him GETTING angry.....This is a serious question....CAN YOU READ, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH and or DO YOU NEED GLASSES??
 
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Seriously you don't get it?

I could find the post and recreate it into an arrow to sound you as you wounded him, but what purpose would it serve?

You owe him an apology Jimbo. I hope you are man enough to give him one.
I just recreated the post i made ,,,,,,,,,,,thats how i ment t hat post now tell me if this is wrong ? see post 17325
 
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So now you add insult to injury by calling Bill a liar....HE HAS SAID THAT WHAT I POSTED had no bearing on him GETTING angry.....This is a serious question....CAN YOU READ, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH and or DO YOU NEED GLASSES??
see i told you ,,,,, your mouthy...
 
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Greetings JIMBO,

I am not answering for Stephan, but I would like to comment on your question if i might..

All men/women are endowed by God with a measure of faith. Jesus said all one needs is a mustard seed of faith. Of course that's just the beginning, because He also said IF ye continue in my word ye shall be free indeed. ( a big IF is implied). And the apostle Peter instructs us to add virtuous qualities to our faith (via good works) as we grow in the Spirit, (note: this is not growth in sanctification, but rather growth in the Spirit, because at the new birth the cup is always full/sanctified/justified no matter it's size, and remains so IF one is walking after the Spirit, and not after the flesh)...

Because the influence and consequences of sin entered into the world, God also determines ability based on capacity as well. (to whomsoever much is given much is required)..The bible says love God with all YOUR heart, and soul, not all of Paul's' heart and soul, nor all of Jesus heart and sou, but all of YOUR heart, soul, mind, and strength...This capacity varies based on many different circumstances and developments...

Along with natural endowed faith, we also have a natural endowed reasoning and conscience capabilities. Again, according to the measure given and the consequences invoked...From the light of reason and conscience "logos", we are made in His image to be logical beings, John 1-1, 1-9. (note: i might add here also that rebellious sin is not of sound reasoning faculties, therefore sin is illogical)...That being said, the bible speaks of the half-hearted and double minded, who desire part of God and in many cases most of the world, (this is the seed sown among thorns), the cares of this world chokes the faith and it becomes a half-hearted faith lacking works of sincerity and righteous motives, whereas the apostle James said faith without works is dead. If so, we can then place our God given faith in the things of this world which is all wood, hay, and stubble....This is why James told them to purify their hearts in repentance, and eradicate the double-mindedness, for one cant serve two masters...without the zeal found in 2 Cor. 7-11, one will always remain the Romans wretch with a half-hearted faith that cant be proven by deeds, trying to serve two masters...hope this helps, be blessed
Of course pal but your also forgetting that evil spirits can change your thought proccess...
 
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Ariel82

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I love you Jimbo. I really do, but some days you really remind me of the disagreements I had with my brothers growing up.

I am not sure what to say..how about we share a song?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lu5udXEZI
 
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Greetings JIMBO,

I am not answering for Stephan, but I would like to comment on your question if i might..

All men/women are endowed by God with a measure of faith. Jesus said all one needs is a mustard seed of faith. Of course that's just the beginning, because He also said IF ye continue in my word ye shall be free indeed. ( a big IF is implied). And the apostle Peter instructs us to add virtuous qualities to our faith (via good works) as we grow in the Spirit, (note: this is not growth in sanctification, but rather growth in the Spirit, because at the new birth the cup is always full/sanctified/justified no matter it's size, and remains so IF one is walking after the Spirit, and not after the flesh)...

Because the influence and consequences of sin entered into the world, God also determines ability based on capacity as well. (to whomsoever much is given much is required)..The bible says love God with all YOUR heart, and soul, not all of Paul's' heart and soul, nor all of Jesus heart and sou, but all of YOUR heart, soul, mind, and strength...This capacity varies based on many different circumstances and developments...

Along with natural endowed faith, we also have a natural endowed reasoning and conscience capabilities. Again, according to the measure given and the consequences invoked...From the light of reason and conscience "logos", we are made in His image to be logical beings, John 1-1, 1-9. (note: i might add here also that rebellious sin is not of sound reasoning faculties, therefore sin is illogical)...That being said, the bible speaks of the half-hearted and double minded, who desire part of God and in many cases most of the world, (this is the seed sown among thorns), the cares of this world chokes the faith and it becomes a half-hearted faith lacking works of sincerity and righteous motives, whereas the apostle James said faith without works is dead. If so, we can then place our God given faith in the things of this world which is all wood, hay, and stubble....This is why James told them to purify their hearts in repentance, and eradicate the double-mindedness, for one cant serve two masters...without the zeal found in 2 Cor. 7-11, one will always remain the Romans wretch with a half-hearted faith that cant be proven by deeds, trying to serve two masters...hope this helps, be blessed

I was going to address this, but to no avail...It would do no good to quote verses and correct one who leaves words out, verbiage off, twists context and denies scripture and verb tense......

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Disciple does not equal son.....it means a learner and practitioner of one's doctrine....and in so doing they would be set FREE from the religious hypocrites that pushed a law keeping, working for, sister bertha better than thou, I don't hardly sin and am better than that sinner over their dogma that can be lost and or gained or maintained by religious works....

You should know....you push the same dogma that the Pharisees pushed......maybe with a lemon twist and whip cream on top....still the same nonetheless....!

 
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Of course pal but your also forgetting that evil spirits can change your thought proccess...
You don't have to let them. Read 2 Peter 1 Jimbo. God gave us EVERYTHING we need.

Remember He gave us the spirit of love, power and a sound mind....not a spirit of fear.

I heard a song on the radio that reminded me of you and your warrior talk...let me see if I can find it.
 
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Bill, I understand your anger, but you've got to calm down, take a breath, stop swearing and PUT JIMBO ON IGNORE...
absolute hatred hey well done fot making someone hate me even more ... congractualations sister...
 
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You don't have to let them. Read 2 Peter 1 Jimbo. God gave us EVERYTHING we need.

Remember He gave us the spirit of love, power and a sound mind....not a spirit of fear.

I heard a song on the radio that reminded me of you and your warrior talk...let me see if I can find it.
you cant stop spirits tempting you into being upset