The truth behind the Law
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Yet it seems that one more Salvation by faith has been over looked, May I ask why?
As for what Laws, I have answered this more times that I can or want to count. The Torah, (Books of Moses as some call it) is set up so that anyone can read it, and know what Laws are for them and what ones are not. I am not going spend a week placing them all out there, as I know that many on here will only wish to turn into something it is not. Besides with 613 laws in the OT and then 1050 in the NT, The Law becomes a study all it's own. One that I would be happy to undertake, if not for the kind of response I know would come from it.
As for what Laws, I have answered this more times that I can or want to count. The Torah, (Books of Moses as some call it) is set up so that anyone can read it, and know what Laws are for them and what ones are not. I am not going spend a week placing them all out there, as I know that many on here will only wish to turn into something it is not. Besides with 613 laws in the OT and then 1050 in the NT, The Law becomes a study all it's own. One that I would be happy to undertake, if not for the kind of response I know would come from it.
I have not done this so you need to ask those that have, because I cannot answer for them and actually hardly know what you are even talking about.
I don't recall asking you before. Have you told me before? If not, why do you complain to me about it?
You are being ridiculous. The laws you speak about were not given to us, they were nailed to the cross and proclaimed a burden nobody was ever able to bear, which you have overlooked for whatever reason. The law we accept is fulfilled in one word. No wonder you are frustrated. You are pushing a dead theology. Your fig tree is dead, sir. Jesus killed it and replaced it with a new covenant with better promises. I suggest you look into it
I don't recall asking you before. Have you told me before? If not, why do you complain to me about it?
You are being ridiculous. The laws you speak about were not given to us, they were nailed to the cross and proclaimed a burden nobody was ever able to bear, which you have overlooked for whatever reason. The law we accept is fulfilled in one word. No wonder you are frustrated. You are pushing a dead theology. Your fig tree is dead, sir. Jesus killed it and replaced it with a new covenant with better promises. I suggest you look into it
I have not done this so you need to ask those that have, because I cannot answer for them and actually hardly know what you are even talking about.
I don't recall asking you before. Have you told me before? If not, why do you complain to me about it?
You are being ridiculous. The laws you speak about were not given to us, they were nailed to the cross and proclaimed a burden nobody was ever able to bear, which you have overlooked for whatever reason. The law we accept is fulfilled in one word. No wonder you are frustrated. You are pushing a dead theology. Your fig tree is dead, sir. Jesus killed it and replaced it with a new covenant with better promises. I suggest you look into it
I don't recall asking you before. Have you told me before? If not, why do you complain to me about it?
You are being ridiculous. The laws you speak about were not given to us, they were nailed to the cross and proclaimed a burden nobody was ever able to bear, which you have overlooked for whatever reason. The law we accept is fulfilled in one word. No wonder you are frustrated. You are pushing a dead theology. Your fig tree is dead, sir. Jesus killed it and replaced it with a new covenant with better promises. I suggest you look into it
I have looked into the idea of Salvation by faith, with out obedience, Lived it even. Yet that seemed an empty kind of faith in my heart.
So once more, why is it over looked that I can say salvation by followed by obedience? Ids it that their is way to use this as a means to bash the belief of others, or just that it so much easier to keep up an argument that holds no merit?
As we know, to over look even one point that makes it clear my salvation is by faith, makes it seem as though some simply don't wish to acknowledge it. So once more I ask WHY?
As you wish. Just keep in mind that you nor anyone can change my understanding of The Word.
If you really wish to, then please explain,
Mat 7:22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
Mat 7:23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’
There is no post number six thousand, maybe you mean six hundred? You spoke about the law there and I asked what you meant so stop pretending I jumped to something as if you did not mention it. You mentioned it fairly quickly, and this whole thread is about the law.
I am not obliged to respond to every single word of every single post you make. In fact I find talking to you fairly useless because you pretend I do things I do not, since I do not deny salvation by faith nor do I overlook it, so your accusation is false and you are being ridiculously demanding.
You speak of faith and then say it is pointless without the law using Abraham as an example, and then castigate me because I use Jesus as an example for HE is the One Who told us how to fulfill the law. You further ignore other Scriptures and pretend they do not exist because YOU had a dead faith, well guess what? Your dead faith is not everybody's experience; my faith has never been dead and obedience follows salvation. Salvation does not come from following the letter of the law.
You probably were not even saved then and were just confused. I see that a lot. So now you project your confusion onto everyone else. It is not necessary and is not appreciated either. If you want to follow thousands of dead useless laws go ahead. You are not fulfilling them, and it is impossible to fulfill them so you are lying to yourself and everybody else if you think you are.
The law was fulfilled by Jesus and will be used to condemn those who are under it. If you want to put yourself under the law you will be condemned for you cannot fulfill the law.
I am not obliged to respond to every single word of every single post you make. In fact I find talking to you fairly useless because you pretend I do things I do not, since I do not deny salvation by faith nor do I overlook it, so your accusation is false and you are being ridiculously demanding.
You speak of faith and then say it is pointless without the law using Abraham as an example, and then castigate me because I use Jesus as an example for HE is the One Who told us how to fulfill the law. You further ignore other Scriptures and pretend they do not exist because YOU had a dead faith, well guess what? Your dead faith is not everybody's experience; my faith has never been dead and obedience follows salvation. Salvation does not come from following the letter of the law.
You probably were not even saved then and were just confused. I see that a lot. So now you project your confusion onto everyone else. It is not necessary and is not appreciated either. If you want to follow thousands of dead useless laws go ahead. You are not fulfilling them, and it is impossible to fulfill them so you are lying to yourself and everybody else if you think you are.
The law was fulfilled by Jesus and will be used to condemn those who are under it. If you want to put yourself under the law you will be condemned for you cannot fulfill the law.
So faith is only good if we think the same way do? Funny how I still know my name is in the Book of life, and That ,
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[TD] Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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[TD] Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Why don't you try Magenta's advice and go and read your Bible and get to know it.
Quoting one line verses completely out of context may suit your purposes but try putting them back where they belong and reading the whole book or Epistle - you may be surprised to learn that your current understandings are not tenable.
Quoting one line verses completely out of context may suit your purposes but try putting them back where they belong and reading the whole book or Epistle - you may be surprised to learn that your current understandings are not tenable.
This whole post has been more about being attacked for my faith. So if I do become somewhat apprehensive, it should be expected.
As I said in another post, I once followed the idea of faith alone, it just didn't set right i my heart. So yes I studied, and I found that it is not right, and I will not be moved to abandon what is right in my own heart. So If I am be beat down over my faith, I would that in of it's self speak loudly of the true heart of some. Not once will you find me bashing others for what they wish to follow. I have done my best to get them to hear me out, yet they seem to want no part of trying to understand others, justy push what they think on everyone.
As I said in another post, I once followed the idea of faith alone, it just didn't set right i my heart. So yes I studied, and I found that it is not right, and I will not be moved to abandon what is right in my own heart. So If I am be beat down over my faith, I would that in of it's self speak loudly of the true heart of some. Not once will you find me bashing others for what they wish to follow. I have done my best to get them to hear me out, yet they seem to want no part of trying to understand others, justy push what they think on everyone.
