The truth behind the Law

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So Jesus did not showed us love while living and preaching Torah?

JESUS showed us love under the old covenant,and I did say we love because HE first loved us,but In the old covenant HOLY SPIRIT did not live IN them but came and left.

 

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Was the thief on the cross baptized?

The thief on the cross was led captive in HIS train

just as all those who believed JESUS when HE descended and preached by the SPIRIT...those who had died prior to receiving THE PROMISE which would not come until after CHRIST has entered into HIS GLORY (the GLORY which HE had with the FATHER from before the world ever was)

Were any of those who died before THE PROMISE of THE HOLY SPIRIT (which would be poured out upon those who believe) had come....baptized?

none had received THE HOLY SPIRIT up until that point because CHRIST had not yet entered into HIS GLORY ( the Glory which HE had from the beginning and with the FATHER before the world ever was)

 

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Was the thief on the cross baptized?

The thief on the cross was led captive in HIS train

just as all those who believed JESUS when HE descended and preached by the SPIRIT...those who had died prior to receiving THE PROMISE which would not come until after CHRIST has entered into HIS GLORY (the GLORY which HE had with the FATHER from before the world ever was)

JESUS showed us love under the old covenant,and I did say we love because HE first loved us,but In the old covenant HOLY SPIRIT did not live IN them but came and left.

Because THE PROMISE which was clearly prophecied to those under THW LAW had not yet come and could not and would not come by any man's doing


it is GOD's call alone


do you know any man who can by his own doings change his stony heart?

 

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We are justified before GOD by faith In HIS WORD that HE sent to this world manifested In the flesh.

JESUS

Just as Romans 3 clearly states

 

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As you wish. Just keep in mind that you nor anyone can change my understanding of The Word.
If you really wish to, then please explain,

Mat 7:22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
Mat 7:23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

Can you explain john 3 or John 5?

 

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Who are being addressed in Hebrews? The Jews.

What did/does the Jews believe about the law? It will bring you to salvation.

Why is the law unprofitable for them? Because they believe that salvation can be earned by keeping the law and not a living relationship with God (works).

Why should we keep God's covenant? Because He is God and we want to obey Him.

A better H. O. P. E.
What us that better H. O. P. E. ?

 

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Paul at Athens

that they should seek the Lord

if perhaps they might reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live, and move, and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his offspring.’ 29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man. 30

The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked.

But now he commands that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because he has appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he has ordained; of which

he has given assurance to all men,
in that he has raised him from the dead.”


when Paul preached this, there were people in India who hadn't heard,
and didn't have that assurance.

so they were still in ignorance, but God overlooked that.

Paul preached CHRIST. That is who is preached
GOD does not desire that any should perish but that all should come to repentence and the knowledge of HIS SON

But not all have grown up into THE HEAD and SOURCE of THEIR SALVATION

some think they have "grown up" but don't understand that they have actually "progressed above" THE HEAD

 

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God didn't change. The way we relate to God has changed.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 7:15-16
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Hebrews 7:18-19

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

This is pretty simple for a Christian. But for people who wish to pervert Christianity I suppose it gets real complicated.

Yes THAT BETTER HOPE
And we have that HOPE as an anchor for the soul...

HEBREWS 6

19Which hopewe have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

 

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Paul at Athens

that they should seek the Lord

if perhaps they might reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live, and move, and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his offspring.’ 29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man. 30

The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked.

But now he commands that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because he has appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he has ordained; of which

he has given assurance to all men,
in that he has raised him from the dead.”


when Paul preached this, there were people in India who hadn't heard,
and didn't have that assurance.

so they were still in ignorance, but God overlooked that.

GOD overlooked men's sins but today calls all men to repentence and the kniwledgenodbthe TRUTH

You are disgusting men in india
Dont you think GOD can do HIS WORK?

john 5, after CHRIST revealed HIMSELF to the Samaritan woman, tells HIS disciples that the fields are ripe for the harvest. Ask the father to send out more workers

what "work" did you think CHRIST was referring to but to preach THE GOSPEL as witnesses of HIM before all mwn

Romans 10 tells us that though we are not to say who will ascend or who will descend, we are to preach to all men

Ans what are we to preach?

 

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But the lawyer asked Jesus, “Who is my neighbor?”

Jesus said, “A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers.


36 Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbor to him who fell among the robbers?”

37 He said, “He who showed mercy on him.”

Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

Do you think JESUS' disciples did this and more?
do you think they healed the outer man but did not do anything to reveal the TRUTH of the inner condition of all men and that all are in need of a "physician" who heals the whole man?

 

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I will have to disagree with this because if we look at Moses, David, Samuel etc folks that were under the law and they loved in Spirit and in Truth.

The corrupt understanding of the Torah is the problem. Jesus is the living Torah. He showed us the way before He was crucified. He lived in Spirit and in Truth by obeying Torah. There was no spot or blemish to be found in Him.

Jesus loved us so much that He willing laid down His life for us. He was under Torah. He loved us while keeping Torah my dear friend.

the flesh was what was the problem

rans 8 very clearly explains that what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by sinful flesh GOD did by through and in HIS SON

 

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All has not yet been accomplished and the law will remain


But it is not because there are still enemies of the law

It is because there are still enemies of THE CROSS

 

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So Jesus did not showed us love while living and preaching Torah?

Yes HE did
However HE didn't preach Torah


HE preached HIMSELF as the ONE who has the power and authority to save all those who believe in HIM for ETERNAL LIFE


HE did say Ye seek scripture thinking that by this you have LIFE
But it is these that testify of ME and you refuse to come to ME

HE did say that your hope is in Moses but it is Moses who spoke of ME


HE said all this in John 5

 

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How many GOSPELS are there?
we were called to preach ONE GOSPEL as witnesses testifying of CHRIST

and hwre we sre offering "another way" to salvation?

if one is not IN CHRIST, first and foremost, born of and led of HIS SPIRIT, through and only through and by and because of faith in HIM...one can't do anything

No flesh will boast before HIM
No man will be able to exalt himself by what he has done
and any man who says, lord lord didn't (((((I)))))

Doesn't know as he should know

 

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The law will not pass until all has been accomplished and any man who teaches another to disobey even the least of the laws will be considered the least

IN THE KINGDOM

but the key understanding is first and foremost those IN from those still outside THE DOOR unto THE KINGDOM


CHRIST did not pray for the world but only for those whom THE FATHER had given HIM out of the eptld


those called to "go" should first and foremost point all men to THE DOOR
Otherwise they dare still outside and apart from CHRIST

Can do


N. O. T. H. I. N. G.

 

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Is anyone willing to discuss naaman and gehazzi.

because for all fleshly carnal appearances before fleshly carnal eyes naaman appeared to be unclean and gehazzi appeared to be clean

 

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I will have to disagree with this because if we look at Moses, David, Samuel etc folks that were under the law and they loved in Spirit and in Truth.

The corrupt understanding of the Torah is the problem. Jesus is the living Torah. He showed us the way before He was crucified. He lived in Spirit and in Truth by obeying Torah. There was no spot or blemish to be found in Him.

Jesus loved us so much that He willing laid down His life for us. He was under Torah. He loved us while keeping Torah my dear friend.

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the flesh was what was the problem

rans 8 very clearly explains that what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by sinful flesh GOD did by through and in HIS SON[/QUOTE]
Romans 8 clearly states:

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


flesh gives birth to flesh
spirit gives birth to spirit


Ye must be born again

 

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How many GOSPELS are there?
we were called to preach ONE GOSPEL as witnesses testifying of CHRIST

and hwre we sre offering "another way" to salvation?

if one is not IN CHRIST, first and foremost, born of and led of HIS SPIRIT, through and only through and by and because of faith in HIM...one can't do anything

No flesh will boast before HIM
No man will be able to exalt himself by what he has done
and any man who says, lord lord didn't (((((I)))))

Doesn't know as he should know

Hi miknik5
I was looking at post#609 and I was wondering what Is your Interpretation on those verses In Matthew 7:22-23 .I mean how would a person be able to prophesy,cast out demons and do many miracles In JESUS name If GOD was not with them?

I'm not trying to stump you,I sent an email to a ministry that I trust to get some clarification.

Matthew 7:22-23
King James Version(KJV)

22.)Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23.)And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

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Hi miknik5
I was looking at post#609 and I was wondering what Is your Interpretation on those verses In Matthew 7:22-23 .I mean how would a person be able to prophesy,cast out demons and do many miracles In JESUS name If GOD was not with them?

I'm not trying to stump you,I sent an email to a ministry that I trust to get some clarification.

Matthew 7:22-23
King James Version(KJV)

22.)Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23.)And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

sir....how can anyone born of HIS SPIRIT even dare to stand before HIM
and say:

didn't ((((I))))

 

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When JESUS cast out demons and those in disbelief said by beelzebub HE does these things

what did CHRIST say?

if I cast them out be beelzebub , by whom do the sons (of the kingdom) cast them out?
...they shall be your judges


what do you think the "sons of the kingdom" are going to testify to?


that they did these things?

or that CHRIST...by the POWER of HIS NAME these things were done