Not By Works

[FranC]

Now I feel bad for saying that. Fran's ok...none of us are perfect. Maybe she's just saying things to stir us up and then laughs about us falling for them?

Don't feel bad Stone.
I feel like I'm being attacked by a gang instead of having a nice conversation.
That's the problem. It let's me become very defensive.

I don't laugh AT anybody.
I actually love everyone here as a Christian Brother/sister.

Re Dcon. He knows very well that I'm just kidding around.
And, BTW, I DO NOT have a crush on YOU!!!

 

[Stephen63]

how about this- you are here to push a denominational doctrine, and you appear to try to force everything into that belief system, while at the same time not wanting to actually discuss anything about that belief system.

so what is the point of answering a question that you will probably use to push that agenda..

Well..... how about people being honest & manning up?

IF he ISN"T saying "only mental assent", there's nothing to hide & no need to be afraid, right?

No harm, no foul, right?

Let him tell me he doesn't mean that, & I'll stop, fair enuff?

 

[dcontroversal]

Point made

Exactly....a Marine sleeps with his weapon at all times hahaha peace bro

 

[dcontroversal]

Don't feel bad Stone.
I feel like I'm being attacked by a gang instead of having a nice conversation.
That's the problem. It let's me become very defensive.

I don't laugh AT anybody.
I actually love everyone here as a Christian Brother/sister.

Re Dcon. He knows very well that I'm just kidding around.
And, BTW, I DO NOT have a crush on YOU!!!

I never said you did........hah

 

[BillG]

Exactly....a Marine sleeps with his weapon at all times hahaha peace bro

I sleep with my mrs.

And the bichon frisé when he sneaks in

 

[stonesoffire]

Don't feel bad Stone.
I feel like I'm being attacked by a gang instead of having a nice conversation.
That's the problem. It let's me become very defensive.

I don't laugh AT anybody.
I actually love everyone here as a Christian Brother/sister.

Re Dcon. He knows very well that I'm just kidding around.
And, BTW, I DO NOT have a crush on YOU!!!

Actually I never thought you did. I didn't even see Stone at the end of your sentence in that post until someone pointed it out.

I think I know you by the way, from another site. Am I right?

That was addressed to Dcon? Well, see how things get misconstrued so easily!

 

[blue_ladybug]

Dcon belongs to his wife, and you aren't her.. lol

Why?
You're my competition?
With Dcon, I mean.
I think he's all mine...

 

[stonesoffire]

Exactly....a Marine sleeps with his weapon at all times hahaha peace bro

Mine is called "husband".

 

[dcontroversal]

I sleep with my mrs.

And the bichon frisé when he sneaks in

As an American and a Marine (80s) I always jave from 1 to 5 or 6 weapons within reach...even now...I sit in a hospital in St. Louis (my mother having a cat scan) and am armed with a Ruger 9 with 2 magazines and 35 rounds of ammo....haahah You just never know....!

 

[BillG]

As an American and a Marine (80s) I always jave from 1 to 5 or 6 weapons within reach...even now...I sit in a hospital in St. Louis (my mother having a cat scan) and am armed with a Ruger 9 with 2 magazines and 35 rounds of ammo....haahah You just never know....!

Never owned a gun.

Its interesting how our laws are different.

Over here if you have a weapon within reach whether it be a gun or knife and use it then you can be charged with murder.

So if I went to bed with a gun on bedside table and someone broke in, even if they had weapon and used mine in self defence and shot the intruder then the CPS would look at pressing charges.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen...I have stopped interacting with those that deal deceitfully and slander others in the body of Christ. It's a waste of time and serves no purpose.

I am sticking with this statement above and no amount of "baiting" is going to deter me.....as this just becomes another merry-go-round and I know the real purpose behind some behaviors.

I have said this over 20x times at the very least but I will say it again for those that view the thread with the intent it'll help them to trust in their Lord.

I do love it when I get to proclaim Christ and His finished work of grace and love for all of us so for that - I am thankful.

True faith will have a corresponding action of some kind and it is not just giving mental assent and true faith originates from the heart of man and not the head.

Let's look at what James says about faith & it's corresponding "work" in relation to having eternal life now and forever because we heard the message of Christ and believed on Him - then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Eph. 1:13

It is very interesting that in James's examples of faith "being made alive" by a work or a corresponding action. Both Rahab and Abraham each did a one time corresponding action to demonstrate their faith.

Abraham believed God and offered up Isaac on the alter. Rahab received the spies. Both one time events in their life - God calls this faith in action.


James 2:20-25 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

[SUP]21 [/SUP] Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?

[SUP]22[/SUP]You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;

[SUP]23 [/SUP] and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

[SUP]25 [/SUP] In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?

Paul and James completely go together and do not cancel each other out nor contradict the basic truth of believing in Christ brings eternal life when we hear the true message of Christ's work and that we have the forgiveness of sins.

We do the very same thing when we hear the message of Christ and we believe and then God seals us with the Holy Spirit. This is our faith with a corresponding action or a "work".

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Jesus said to do the work of God was to believe in the Son.

Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

[SUP]10[/SUP]for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

This is faith with corresponding action - or a work. This is how we are saved by grace through faith just like Paul said.

James talk about "faith" and "works" is in relation to helping out our fellow man that is in need and has nothing to do with eternal salvation.

Jesus has obtained eternal redemption for us by His blood. Heb. 9:12

 

[Grace777x70]

An interesting fact about Abraham being declared righteous by God Himself is that he was declared to be righteous by God because Abraham "believed God " - 15 years before he "offered up Isaac".

His faith was completed as a result of already being declared righteous by God. Knowing the truth about what God says about us releases true faith to grow and be manifested. There is a false way of trying to create works in order to create and maintain righteousness. This is eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

True righteousness which comes only from God's work in Christ always comes when we believe what God says is true. There are "fruits of righteousness" as James talks about which shows up in helping our fellow man in need but they do not create righteousness.

Being righteous in Christ comes first because of His work on the cross and resurrection. Getting this backwards creates a religion of self-righteousness and actually denies the work of Christ Himself.

Preach and teach the good news that Christ alone is our righteousness and then the fruit of His life will be manifested in "deeds of righteousness" as He bears His fruit in and through us to a hurt and dying world that needs to see the love and grace that our loving Father has for them.

We will see corresponding action or works that glorify God.

 

[Stephen63]

I am sticking with this statement above and no amount of "baiting" is going to deter me.....as this just becomes another merry-go-round and I know the real purpose behind some behaviors.

So much for "The truth shall make you free".

 

[dcontroversal]

Never owned a gun.

Its interesting how our laws are different.

Over here if you have a weapon within reach whether it be a gun or knife and use it then you can be charged with murder.

So if I went to bed with a gun on bedside table and someone broke in, even if they had weapon and used mine in self defence and shot the intruder then the CPS would look at pressing charges.

Same retarded laws as AU.......we have what is called the castle doctrine in Missouri...you can defend your life, property, family, neighbor lethally if they are in imminent danger.....man...you guys gonna have it bad when the Muslims rise up en masse.....bad day

 

[Stephen63]

BTW, I don't go for baiting, either.

 

[Meggido]

Same retarded laws as AU.......we have what is called the castle doctrine in Missouri...you can defend your life, property, family, neighbor lethally if they are in imminent danger.....man...you guys gonna have it bad when the Muslims rise up en masse.....bad day

DCON,
Does MO have CC yet?

 

[dcontroversal]

DCON,
Does MO have CC yet?

Yes without a permit and open carry as well without a permit

 

[Stephen63]

If I recollect correctly, the phrase "The just shall live by faith" speaks of/points to/comes from the Abrahamic Covenant, Where Abraham walked with God by faith, & that daily faith was accounted to him as righteousness.

 

[PeterJens]

True faith will have a corresponding action of some kind and it is not just giving mental assent and true faith originates from the heart of man and not the head.

Let's look at what James says about faith & it's corresponding "work" in relation to having eternal life now and forever because we heard the message of Christ and believed on Him - then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Eph. 1:13

It is very interesting that in James's examples of faith "being made alive" by a work or a corresponding action. Both Rahab and Abraham each did a one time corresponding action to demonstrate their faith.

Abraham believed God and offered up Isaac on the alter. Rahab received the spies. Both one time events in their life - God calls this faith in action.

Now the strange thing is we believe the same, faith is shown through action, the action being
the fruit of the work of Christ in our heart.

So it is strange how though theologically we agree, some want to say we are enemies, evil,
salvation workers. I would suggest there is something different actually going on, which is
demonstrated by attitudes to the sermon on the mount, and abandoning any relation to law
or mark of righteousness.

It is this appearing to agree in one area but deny things in another.
If you cannot say what sin actually is and define a moral compass, how can one hold to
holiness, purity and righteousness.

You end up saying as preachers have done, if you find yourself sinning, see it is the
Father who sees you as righteous and saved, and do not feel condemnation.

This flaw in the line of belief is total. Either one is free to do anything or we are bound
as Paul says as slaves to righteousness, which is our heart.

It appears this concept is too difficult to admit to, because of the fear of legalistic overtones.

 

[JoDel]

I despise anything that devalues and degrades the blood, sacrifice and work of Christ on our behalf.......

Yes! and AMEN!