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I would suggest the idea salvation is free in this definition is actually heresy.
The subtle lie is one is saved despite ones response. But this is clearly absurd,
as has been agreed, faith shows itself through a transformed life.
The whole point of faith and the need for Jesus is to be transformed, and only
in Him is transformation possible through the word and following.
You can be given a free ticket to ride on a train, but you still have to turn up,
abide by the rules of being carried, and get on the train. Doing this fulfills the
promise and free ticket, denying this response is just denying the gift itself.
But I know because this is the foundation of peoples lives, emotionally, they
will see me as evil and wrong, and dream up excuses as long as their arm as to
why I am deluded and they have reached heaven. The fact scripture disagrees,
shows how empty this position is.
And pride? I wish there was something to boast about, but it is just dependency
on Christ all the way, and sharing He provides everything, and gives life to the blind,
light in the darkness, love and hope to the lost. We do though have to take responsibility
for the gift and honour the privilege He has given us and bring praise to His name.
But if you remain in darkness, and sin still dominates all you do, little wonder you do not
see the problem or see the sin that continues to fester.
The subtle lie is one is saved despite ones response. But this is clearly absurd,
as has been agreed, faith shows itself through a transformed life.
The whole point of faith and the need for Jesus is to be transformed, and only
in Him is transformation possible through the word and following.
You can be given a free ticket to ride on a train, but you still have to turn up,
abide by the rules of being carried, and get on the train. Doing this fulfills the
promise and free ticket, denying this response is just denying the gift itself.
But I know because this is the foundation of peoples lives, emotionally, they
will see me as evil and wrong, and dream up excuses as long as their arm as to
why I am deluded and they have reached heaven. The fact scripture disagrees,
shows how empty this position is.
And pride? I wish there was something to boast about, but it is just dependency
on Christ all the way, and sharing He provides everything, and gives life to the blind,
light in the darkness, love and hope to the lost. We do though have to take responsibility
for the gift and honour the privilege He has given us and bring praise to His name.
But if you remain in darkness, and sin still dominates all you do, little wonder you do not
see the problem or see the sin that continues to fester.
It simply means that the life of Christ is what our true life is and His life is what produces the fruit in our lives. The branch does not manufacture the fruit - it get's it's life from the "sap" of the vine and the Vine bears It's fruit on the branches.
Of course it causes us to obey moral laws. Love doesn't kill someone to steal from them. But "not killing someone or not stealing from someone " does not create love. Love is the "horse" that is before the cart of manifesting godliness towards others.
Of course the life of Christ produces good fruit when people walk in it. This is one area of walking by the spirit.
I really don't care if people appreciate being called kindergarteners or not.. If they get offended, it's because they feel they're acting like one but don't want to admit it.. 
If the shoe fits.... LOL
If the shoe fits.... LOL
Probably explains my problem since I never went to kindergarten.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
no, see here is where you are soooo far off base-those of us who recognize the truth that we are not sinless, we are aware of the areas that need work. we do not overlook sins in ourself, we confess them, ask for forgivness, ask for strength to overcome them.
but the key is recognizing them, and not denying them, not saying" I see no sin " as you have done in the past.
truth will set you free if you tell it. you will have nothing to hide. no deception needed.
trying to convince folks you don't sin ( you do , we all do) plenty of deception and denying needed.
but the key is recognizing them, and not denying them, not saying" I see no sin " as you have done in the past.
truth will set you free if you tell it. you will have nothing to hide. no deception needed.
trying to convince folks you don't sin ( you do , we all do) plenty of deception and denying needed.
Amen. So you agree with obeying the sermon on the mount, and walking in the ways of
Christ, and knowing Holiness and purity flowing through your heart out to others.
So I do not understand why you then support people who do not confront sin and evil
but preach compromise and ignoring walking as Jesus walked.
It seems that emotionally you see the law or morals as the enemy, rather than something
that drives us to the cross which then transforms us into obedience.
I live in hope that the love of Christ which began a gracious work in your heart might bring
it to completion in you. Amen
Christ, and knowing Holiness and purity flowing through your heart out to others.
So I do not understand why you then support people who do not confront sin and evil
but preach compromise and ignoring walking as Jesus walked.
It seems that emotionally you see the law or morals as the enemy, rather than something
that drives us to the cross which then transforms us into obedience.
I live in hope that the love of Christ which began a gracious work in your heart might bring
it to completion in you. Amen
Jesus has not changed.
Harping on Lordship salvation is not the answer. Trusting the Lord to do as He has promised, trusting the word of God, is the answer.
We cannot prevent false professors from invading religion. We can know who is falsely professing by their works and not the words of their mouths.
Acts 5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Harping on Lordship salvation is not the answer. Trusting the Lord to do as He has promised, trusting the word of God, is the answer.
We cannot prevent false professors from invading religion. We can know who is falsely professing by their works and not the words of their mouths.
Acts 5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Here is an interesting quote below that rings true to me.
We are forever trying to achieve by what we do or don't do - what Christ has already done. This is the "why" behind all works-based belief systems. it is eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that this world system lives from to this day still.
There is a tree of Life which is Christ Himself that we are to eat from.
"Satan's great device is to drive earnest souls back to beseeching God for what God says has already been done!" - William R. Newell
We are forever trying to achieve by what we do or don't do - what Christ has already done. This is the "why" behind all works-based belief systems. it is eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that this world system lives from to this day still.
There is a tree of Life which is Christ Himself that we are to eat from.
"Satan's great device is to drive earnest souls back to beseeching God for what God says has already been done!" - William R. Newell
I do believe in confronting sinning and often talk about it as being destructive. I often speak about some of the behavior of some those that say we are to walk in righteousness and in purity of heart - in their hypocrisy and deceit - do the complete opposite.
These very same ones have slandered others in the body of Christ - have called them every name in the book from satanic, heretic, lovers of sinning, haters of God's word and a hater of the words of Jesus, delusional..etc.
This is why I don't interact with them - just like Paul said to do in Rom. 16:17
Once they stop being deceitful and stop twisting what is being said and exhibiting good behavior - then I'll see the repentance and interact with them again.
These very same ones have slandered others in the body of Christ - have called them every name in the book from satanic, heretic, lovers of sinning, haters of God's word and a hater of the words of Jesus, delusional..etc.
This is why I don't interact with them - just like Paul said to do in Rom. 16:17
Once they stop being deceitful and stop twisting what is being said and exhibiting good behavior - then I'll see the repentance and interact with them again.
gb9 - You can deal with these ideas forever and prove nothing.
Sin are actions that show rebellion, distortions, evil at work in our hearts.
You need to talk about real sin, something definable, to then understand what
Jesus is talking about. You want to stay a sinner, failed, broken, incapable of
a holy walk. It is a safe place for you, because talking about walking in love,
being a light, something worthy of the King is just too much for you.
Jesus said this about His people
You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden
Matt 5:14
What are you so ashamed of you want to stay hidden? Has Christ not done
a glorious work in your life that will bring praise to His name?
Now let me come to your proposition. "we are not sinless"
Let me break this down. We are sinners, saved, forgiven, redeemed, made holy.
As saints are we called to walk in sin or righteousness? Righteousness.
So if you know of sin you continue to walk in, please tell me specifically, because
it is absurd this continual condemnation and self flagulation as if this is the actual
state expected of Gods people. If you cannot resist sin, it does not mean others
are not walking in love and righteousness, just you do not know the power of the
Holy Spirit.
Sin are actions that show rebellion, distortions, evil at work in our hearts.
You need to talk about real sin, something definable, to then understand what
Jesus is talking about. You want to stay a sinner, failed, broken, incapable of
a holy walk. It is a safe place for you, because talking about walking in love,
being a light, something worthy of the King is just too much for you.
Jesus said this about His people
You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden
Matt 5:14
What are you so ashamed of you want to stay hidden? Has Christ not done
a glorious work in your life that will bring praise to His name?
Now let me come to your proposition. "we are not sinless"
Let me break this down. We are sinners, saved, forgiven, redeemed, made holy.
As saints are we called to walk in sin or righteousness? Righteousness.
So if you know of sin you continue to walk in, please tell me specifically, because
it is absurd this continual condemnation and self flagulation as if this is the actual
state expected of Gods people. If you cannot resist sin, it does not mean others
are not walking in love and righteousness, just you do not know the power of the
Holy Spirit.
This has a total contradiction. Sinning here is defined as not agreeing with a certain theology,
so thereby sinning and denying righteousness and purity.
This is a logical leap from evil behaviour, damaging others through actions, evil intent, to views
of faith. This is cognitive dissonance.
Look at the ten commandments and the two greatest commandments. Sin is not defined in belief
but in attitude to God and others, reflected in our actions.
It is why this religious group who wish to talk about evil and sin, but change its definition fail to
walk in the way of Jesus, and deny His words and intention. They will sound christian, up to this
break point, and then it all goes to pot.
It also demonstrates how we view truth is emotional and not factual. Their bias is due to a legalistic
background, which then rejects rules or conformity for a kind of lawlessness, which is driven by love
or an emotional desire to follow God because He has forgiven you, though the following is without
rules of principles, because that would be legalism.
So for them to expound as Paul does would be death to them.
It is why it is impossible for them to respond to Pauls call to a Holy, pure life.
so thereby sinning and denying righteousness and purity.
This is a logical leap from evil behaviour, damaging others through actions, evil intent, to views
of faith. This is cognitive dissonance.
Look at the ten commandments and the two greatest commandments. Sin is not defined in belief
but in attitude to God and others, reflected in our actions.
It is why this religious group who wish to talk about evil and sin, but change its definition fail to
walk in the way of Jesus, and deny His words and intention. They will sound christian, up to this
break point, and then it all goes to pot.
It also demonstrates how we view truth is emotional and not factual. Their bias is due to a legalistic
background, which then rejects rules or conformity for a kind of lawlessness, which is driven by love
or an emotional desire to follow God because He has forgiven you, though the following is without
rules of principles, because that would be legalism.
So for them to expound as Paul does would be death to them.
It is why it is impossible for them to respond to Pauls call to a Holy, pure life.
"Don't worry about sin". That's exactly what the Lord spoke to me Stephen. And you know what happened? The fears of condemnation, the self-loathing, THE SINS I COMMITTED REGULARLY, that I struggled with for years were finally greatly diminished!
Sin is ugly. It is destructive. To yourself, and everyone in your life. And I would NEVER council someone with saying sinning is ok.
But understanding who we are in Christ, because of who He is, and what He has done, WILL free us to walk in the Spirit, and deny the dead flesh.
Sin is ugly. It is destructive. To yourself, and everyone in your life. And I would NEVER council someone with saying sinning is ok.
But understanding who we are in Christ, because of who He is, and what He has done, WILL free us to walk in the Spirit, and deny the dead flesh.
Amen...the dynamic that God uses by the Holy Spirit for true transformation of the renewing of the mind is "beholding Christ and His goodness/glory as in a mirror" 2 Cor. 3:17-18
When we see Him as He truly is and what He has done - we see our true selves reflected back in that mirror. We are one spirit with the Lord forever joined as one with Him.
Works-based belief systems always get the gospel and the things of Christ backwards and try to "dictate" the fruit of the spirit by their own self-effort and righteousness.
The ways of God are higher than the ways of our natural minds - just as far away and different then the stars are above the earth.
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Amen, the sin issue between us and God was resolved on the cross over 2000 years ago, yet here we are. You would have thought by now that we would have all gotten past it so we can focus on Him.
The bible teaches that there is NO condemnation in Christ Jesus. I believe that, and as a result I am truly thankful and focus on Him and walking in His love.
The bible teaches that there is NO condemnation in Christ Jesus. I believe that, and as a result I am truly thankful and focus on Him and walking in His love.
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Nothing is impossible with God. I believe His power is stronger than Satan's influence and that there is demonic doctrines being enspousrd by people who are deceived.
However I believe Jesus came to set them free if the lies.
All it takes is an ember to start a fire in the soul.
We don't have the power to make others be born again, only God can. However we can fan the flames until all the lies and chains Satan tried and bound us with burn up with our dead flesh and anything that wars against God's wisdom.
I believe in accepting people where they are and as much as God has blessed me...help them to grow into the person God means them become in Him.
God has blessed me with many who have helped me grow
I am not blind to the evil in the world. I just hope to the faith that God is powerful and loving brought to change hearts and defeat the evil currently present.
However I believe Jesus came to set them free if the lies.
All it takes is an ember to start a fire in the soul.
We don't have the power to make others be born again, only God can. However we can fan the flames until all the lies and chains Satan tried and bound us with burn up with our dead flesh and anything that wars against God's wisdom.
I believe in accepting people where they are and as much as God has blessed me...help them to grow into the person God means them become in Him.
God has blessed me with many who have helped me grow
I am not blind to the evil in the world. I just hope to the faith that God is powerful and loving brought to change hearts and defeat the evil currently present.