Not By Works
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Lived US side for over 30 years now!! And I like cake especially Icecream cake.Scripture teaches us this:
please read all of James 2.. this is part for posting here.
James 2
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c]21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
please read all of James 2.. this is part for posting here.
James 2
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c]21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Scripture teaches that we are saved by grace through faith. You said you agreed but then you turn around and say YOUR works save you. We are saved by Christ's works. HE gives us a new heart. HE works through us. We co-operate with the working of the Holy Spirit of God in our life. This is what moved us to faith in the first place, and delivered us unto salvation. Until then we were in rebellion against God and in need of repentance. If people could save themselves apart from God's grace and the love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ through the shedding of His righteous blood, which is as a covering for us for all time, unlike the blood of bulls and goats... they would. But, they cannot. That is the testimony of Scripture.
Would you not say that works without faith are dead works as well?
I think that's where goats fall foul.
Yes works will follow faith as a result of faith.
DC is passionately opposed to the doctrine that people teach works save and being sinless and if we don't then we have no faith. He has also said that genuine believers will produce fruit, some a lot and others not so much but there is fruit.
I am sure DC will correct me if I am wrong.
I think that's where goats fall foul.
Yes works will follow faith as a result of faith.
DC is passionately opposed to the doctrine that people teach works save and being sinless and if we don't then we have no faith. He has also said that genuine believers will produce fruit, some a lot and others not so much but there is fruit.
I am sure DC will correct me if I am wrong.
