Sabbath

[DiscipleDave]

IN the Old Testament. Keeping the Sabbath was crucial. You were stoned to death if you broke it. It was said over and over and over and over again to "Keep the Sabbath". People were killed because they broke it. Anyone who has read the Old Testament can clearly and plainly see, how important it was to keep the Commandment "Keep the Sabbath Day Holy to the Lord" And because this was so important of a commandment Jesus told Christians to keep the Sabbath Day Holy how many times? NONE. really? Oh than it must have been instructed by the Apostles. So how many Apostles instructed us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath Day Holy? NONE. really? Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to keep the Sabbath.

Look at the answer of Jesus Christ Himself when a man asking Jesus what he must do to be Saved. Jesus could not say "Believe I am the Son of God, and that I died for you, and rose from the dead" That is what it takes to be SAVED under the New Covenant, which has not yet started until Jesus is resurrected. So when the man asked Jesus (While Jesus was yet alive and walking among them living under the old covenant (the Laws of Moses)) What must I do to be Saved. Listen to Jesus response:

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Did you catch that? When the man asked "Which commandments do I keep to have eternal life" Jesus did not say "All of them" He gave a particular list of which ones, did you notice "Keep the Sabbath" is not one that he mentions, why is that? Did He forget to mention that particular Commandment which was the MOST important one of the Old Testament? Or did He knowingly and purposefully withheld that particular Commandment?

Man "What can I do to have Eternal Life?"
Jesus "Keep the Commandments"
Man "Which ones"
Jesus tells the man which Commandments the man must do to have Eternal Life, and not one of those things listed was to continue to keep the Sabbath Holy. Jesus knew exactly what He was saying when He said it. He knew exactly what He said was going to be read for thousands of years, He left out the Sabbath Keeping because that is what He chose to do, else do you think now He FORGOT to mention that particular commandment?

Here is a fact. Jesus does not instruct us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath. NONE of the Apostle in any of their letters to Christians were instructed to continue to keep the Sabbath, NOT one. So then where is this doctrine coming from, that Christians are to continue to keep the Sabbath, when Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to do so?

i have kept the Sabbath for over 10 years, because that is something that i merely choose to do, NOT that i have to do so, not that i am commanded to do so, NOT that it is one of the 10 commandments. i choose to keep it, because it is something that i want to do, NOT something that i must do, or am required to do.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave.com

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hello Discipledave,

You may be new like I was as well. Did you know that you cannot advertise your website here? It is against forum rules here.
You will need to remove it from your signatures. Anyhow so nice to meet you my friend how are you? Lets share God's Word together in the fruit of God's Spirit with love and patience. I just provided some comments in the sections below in RED for your consideration.

How long will this generation not hear the Apostle John. This man walked with Jesus Christ. This man heard the voice of our Lord teach. This man saw Jesus be killed and saw Him resurrected, but this generation does not hear Him, nor will this generation hearken to his voice.

Every single verse in the New Testament, which teaches "Keep My Commandments" comes from The Apostle John.

The Apostle John and others bare witness to the Word of God all these versus come from God. The are the Words of God himself. Jesus says "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15). You may also want to visit the many other versus in the Word of God (here are a few only; John 15:10; Matt 19:17; Matt 5:19; Matt 5:27-28)

And the Apostle John plainly tells us what His Commandments are. This generation teaches His commandments are the "10 Commandments" Believe it not. The Apostle John plainly and clearly tells us what His Commandments are, but this generation has ears but can't hear his words, because the Truth of Jesus is not in them.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

You seem to have an unusual interpretation of God's Word my friend and they way you share it. You may need to look at the context of the Scripture you quoted above? The commandments that John is talking about in context of verse 22 are the 10 commandments kept through love. Please read 1John 3:3-16 then quote verse 22. Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) It shows us our need of a Savior. Jesus is our Savior (this is why his name was called Jesus Matt 1:21). Without the Law of God we have no knowledge of sin. Without any knowledge of sin we have no need of a Savior. Without our Saviour we have no salvation. If we have no salvation then we are lost my friend. It is only as God changes our hearts to love him and our fellow man as we have complete faith and dependence in his promises that we can follow Jesus. This is the new Covenant and why Jesus says to His followers if you love me keep my commandments. Do you love Jesus Discipledave? I am thinking you do and you want to follow Jesus.

Woe to this generation who can't grasp the simplicity in these three verses, and the meaning thereof slips their understanding. What are HIS Commandments? 1) Believe on Jesus AND 2) Love One Another. Do those two things and you fulfill the whole LAW. Do those two things and you ARE KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS. Woe to those who teach things contrary to what the Apostle John plainly told us was His Commandments. Believe the Word of God, not when others try to teach you.

Well this section it seems is a bit of a rant, Who are you accusing of not believing on Jesus are their personal Lord and Saviour?

WHO dwells in Jesus Christ according to the above inspired by God verses, given to us directly from Apostle John? Those who are keeping His Commandments. Woe unto those who are NOT Loving one another and take thought they are still dwelling in Jesus Christ. Those who dwell in Jesus Christ are they that DO Love One another. God is Love. Those who are not Loving one another do not have God in them, nor does He dwell in those, no matter how much that person thinks they are dwelling in Jesus Christ, they are NOT, if they are not Loving One Another. You will know those who dwell in Christ by the many fruits they will have toward others, they will be Loving much, even as Christ Loves much. But who to them who think Christ is in them but these have no fruits of Loving one another in them, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth, on the Day of the Lord, when they realize they are not taken up with Him, because they were NOT keeping His commandments, which is to 1) Believe on Jesus AND Love one another. Believe on Jesus (FAITH) AND Love One Another (WORKS) Woe to this generation indeed. Not saying or implying anyone on CC is of this sort.

I do not have any problem with the last section because God fulfills His Law (10 commandments) as he changes us to love him and our neighbor (Heb 8:10-12)
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave.com

Thanks for sharing Discipledave

God bless you

 

[Grandpa]

Hello Grandpa, you know I love all the Words of God you quoted right? They are in harmony with everything I believe and have been sharing with you. Your eyes have been closed because the scriptures that have been shared with you go against your interpretation of God's Word. I believe I only have salvation by faith in the wonderful promises of God's Word because I am a sinner and Jesus saves me from my sin. If I love Jesus and by faith do what he asks me to do you accuse me and others of being under the works of the Law? Jesus tells me if I love him I must follow him. (John 14:15). You are not fighting against anyone here my friend. Your fighting against God's Word because it conflicts with your interpretation of it. Do you love Jesus Grandpa?

May God help you my friend.

You don't know what you are talking about. Or, if you do, you are purposely trying to deceive people.

Galatians 5:1 [FONT=&quot]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

[/FONT]Do you have any idea what this even means?

Galatians 5:4 [FONT=&quot]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

[/FONT]The law is not of faith. Don't keep pretending that it is.


You can't work at the law and then say the reason why you work at the law is because of faith in Christ. As I've already shown you in quite a few different ways and different verses, if you choose your own work at the law by your own understanding you have necessarily made Christ of no effect to you. Because those who have faith in Christ are dead to the law.

It was already settled 2000yrs ago. Christians don't work at the law. We don't look back to it to work at it in our understanding or anyone elses.

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[/FONT]We come to Christ by faith.

Galatians 3:12 [FONT=&quot]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Hebrews 4:10-11
[/FONT]10 [FONT=&quot]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You're not going to get there by your work at the law.

Galatians 3:2-3
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Shheeesh... I don't know if there's really anything left to say. Either the scriptures are open to you or they are not. And if they are not there's nothing I can do or say to make them otherwise.[/FONT]

 

[gotime]

The only thing that comes out clearly in your posting is that you ignore anything in the NT that does not say what you want it to.
Your credentials are well known on this forum so it is not a surprise that you would do this!
My guess is that at least some of your supporting cast are also SDA and their views are all like peas in a pod too.

Ellen White has made it very hard to ACTUALLY go with the plain meaning of the Word since you have to account for her heresies since you count her a prophetess - well that is your burden I suppose....

Well Please then produce a NT scripture that I ignore and I will address that scripture. Or is this an empty accusation?

 

[graceNpeace]

Well Please then produce a NT scripture that I ignore and I will address that scripture. Or is this an empty accusation?

There is no empty accusation - it is based on what you posted, nothing more and nothing less...

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi discipledave, few more comments in RED I hope will be helpfull.

IN the Old Testament. Keeping the Sabbath was crucial. You were stoned to death if you broke it. It was said over and over and over and over again to "Keep the Sabbath". People were killed because they broke it. Anyone who has read the Old Testament can clearly and plainly see, how important it was to keep the Commandment "Keep the Sabbath Day Holy to the Lord" And because this was so important of a commandment Jesus told Christians to keep the Sabbath Day Holy how many times? NONE. really? Oh than it must have been instructed by the Apostles. So how many Apostles instructed us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath Day Holy? NONE. really? Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to keep the Sabbath.

You do know my friend that Jesus and all the disciples always kept the 7th Day Sabbath according to the commandments right? You do also know that there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says that we are to mo longer keep the 7th Day Sabbath holy right? Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of mankind in place of the commandments of God. Now if Jesus kept the 7th Day Sabbath holy according to the commandments of God and all the disciples did the same and Jesus is our example, don't you think we should follow him? (Luke 4:16; John 15:10)

Look at the answer of Jesus Christ Himself when a man asking Jesus what he must do to be Saved. Jesus could not say "Believe I am the Son of God, and that I died for you, and rose from the dead" That is what it takes to be SAVED under the New Covenant, which has not yet started until Jesus is resurrected. So when the man asked Jesus (While Jesus was yet alive and walking among them living under the old covenant (the Laws of Moses)) What must I do to be Saved. Listen to Jesus response:

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Did you catch that? When the man asked "Which commandments do I keep to have eternal life" Jesus did not say "All of them" He gave a particular list of which ones, did you notice "Keep the Sabbath" is not one that he mentions, why is that? Did He forget to mention that particular Commandment which was the MOST important one of the Old Testament? Or did He knowingly and purposefully withheld that particular Commandment?

Man "What can I do to have Eternal Life?"
Jesus "Keep the Commandments"
Man "Which ones"
Jesus tells the man which Commandments the man must do to have Eternal Life, and not one of those things listed was to continue to keep the Sabbath Holy. Jesus knew exactly what He was saying when He said it. He knew exactly what He said was going to be read for thousands of years, He left out the Sabbath Keeping because that is what He chose to do, else do you think now He FORGOT to mention that particular commandment?

You may need to read God's Word further my friend. Did you notice the question of Rich young Ruler? Jesus only quoted the commandments that are our duty towards our neighbor because he was not really keeping these commandments. Hence he finished with go sell everything you have and give it to the poor and come and follow me (Matt 19:21). The first 4 commandments are our duty towards God and the next 6 commandments are our duty towards our neighbor. Jesus already knew this mans was keeping the first 4 commandments of Gods Law. This is why these commandments he did not mention. According to your reasoning above with the 7th Day Sabbath we no longer need to also keep the commandments that show our duty towards God? (Ex 20:3-7). Hope this is helpful.

Here is a fact. Jesus does not instruct us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath. NONE of the Apostle in any of their letters to Christians were instructed to continue to keep the Sabbath, NOT one. So then where is this doctrine coming from, that Christians are to continue to keep the Sabbath, when Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to do so?

i have kept the Sabbath for over 10 years, because that is something that i merely choose to do, NOT that i have to do so, not that i am commanded to do so, NOT that it is one of the 10 commandments. i choose to keep it, because it is something that i want to do, NOT something that i must do, or am required to do.

You need to study the Word of God further my friend as we all do. Jesus says if you love me you will keep all of God's Commandments
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave.com

God bless you

 

[beta]

IN the Old Testament. Keeping the Sabbath was crucial. You were stoned to death if you broke it. It was said over and over and over and over again to "Keep the Sabbath". People were killed because they broke it. Anyone who has read the Old Testament can clearly and plainly see, how important it was to keep the Commandment "Keep the Sabbath Day Holy to the Lord" And because this was so important of a commandment Jesus told Christians to keep the Sabbath Day Holy how many times? NONE. really? Oh than it must have been instructed by the Apostles. So how many Apostles instructed us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath Day Holy? NONE. really? Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to keep the Sabbath.

Look at the answer of Jesus Christ Himself when a man asking Jesus what he must do to be Saved. Jesus could not say "Believe I am the Son of God, and that I died for you, and rose from the dead" That is what it takes to be SAVED under the New Covenant, which has not yet started until Jesus is resurrected. So when the man asked Jesus (While Jesus was yet alive and walking among them living under the old covenant (the Laws of Moses)) What must I do to be Saved. Listen to Jesus response:

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Did you catch that? When the man asked "Which commandments do I keep to have eternal life" Jesus did not say "All of them" He gave a particular list of which ones, did you notice "Keep the Sabbath" is not one that he mentions, why is that? Did He forget to mention that particular Commandment which was the MOST important one of the Old Testament? Or did He knowingly and purposefully withheld that particular Commandment?

Man "What can I do to have Eternal Life?"
Jesus "Keep the Commandments"
Man "Which ones"
Jesus tells the man which Commandments the man must do to have Eternal Life, and not one of those things listed was to continue to keep the Sabbath Holy. Jesus knew exactly what He was saying when He said it. He knew exactly what He said was going to be read for thousands of years, He left out the Sabbath Keeping because that is what He chose to do, else do you think now He FORGOT to mention that particular commandment?

Here is a fact. Jesus does not instruct us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath. NONE of the Apostle in any of their letters to Christians were instructed to continue to keep the Sabbath, NOT one. So then where is this doctrine coming from, that Christians are to continue to keep the Sabbath, when Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to do so?

i have kept the Sabbath for over 10 years, because that is something that i merely choose to do, NOT that i have to do so, not that i am commanded to do so, NOT that it is one of the 10 commandments. i choose to keep it, because it is something that i want to do, NOT something that i must do, or am required to do.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave.com

Hi DiscipleDave,


As you say yourself, God spent A LOT of time in the OT telling people to keep the sabbath day holy. Did it do any good ? Obviously not !! why do you think He would continue to 'flog a dead horse in the NT ? God did something much better !
HE sent His SON 'to SHOW us...to be our living walking Example...that we should walk 'in HIS steps !!!
Did Jesus keep the sabbath day holy ? Did His disciples keep Sabbath ? you bet !!! IF we are disciples we will do the same without having to be TOLD !!! To be 'IN Christ' is to go where HE goes !!!
Does a Baby in the womb of his/her mother go a different place from her ?

 

[LoveGodForever]

You don't know what you are talking about. Or, if you do, you are purposely trying to deceive people. Shheeesh... I don't know if there's really anything left to say. Either the scriptures are open to you or they are not. And if they are not there's nothing I can do or say to make them otherwise.

Hi Grandpa,

Thanks again for your post. Love the scriptures you sent. They are in harmony with everything I believe in. I believe God's Word, how about you? The thing is I do not have any problems with the scriptures you send me. You are only having problems with the scriptures I send you. This is because of the interpretation you have on what the Word of God says. The Old Testament is in Harmony with the New. They witness to each other. If you have nothing else to add maybe you need to read your bible further to see why certain scriptures in the Word of God seem to be against what you believe.

May God help you my friend

 

[gotime]

You don't know what you are talking about. Or, if you do, you are purposely trying to deceive people. I am sure it seems that way from your perspective but try to see things from their view. You might find that you are arguing against points that they are not really making.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Do you have any idea what this even means?

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

The law is not of faith. Don't keep pretending that it is. Here is the problem, you are not hearing what they say but rather what you think they are saying. One must learn to listen and ask questions to better understand what the other is actually saying. It took me a long time to get that but it is enlightening. For example I am sure that some of the accusations we make to you, you think why did they say that, that is not what I am saying. The problem is and both sides are guilty of this they assume the meaning of the other instead of spending time trying to better understand what the other is trying to say.


You can't work at the law and then say the reason why you work at the law is because of faith in Christ. As I've already shown you in quite a few different ways and different verses, if you choose your own work at the law by your own understanding you have necessarily made Christ of no effect to you. Because those who have faith in Christ are dead to the law. That is what you see no doubt but that is not what they are saying not even close.

It was already settled 2000yrs ago. Christians don't work at the law. We don't look back to it to work at it in our understanding or anyone elses.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

We come to Christ by faith. I think you will find no argument there from anyone. What you need to do is find out if your interested. What you are missing about their argument that allows them to believe that and still keep the law.

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Hebrews 4:10-11
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You're not going to get there by your work at the law. No one thinks they will get there by the works of the law. Maybe the problem is you think their reasoning is the same as the Pharisees. If so that would be a big part of the reason you have misunderstood them.

Galatians 3:2-3

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Shheeesh... I don't know if there's really anything left to say. Either the scriptures are open to you or they are not. And if they are not there's nothing I can do or say to make them otherwise.

I said those things to make a point and hopefully I have succeeded. The problem here is simple, we need to hear each other. We spend to much time arguing against points that the other is not making.

I think the reason is that we take one part of what the other says and then compare it to our own view and assume that they are thinking and meaning what we would think and mean had we taken that point along with the rest of what we believe. In other words we are mixing theirs and our beliefs and arguing against a point that is not being made.

At very least at the end we may agree to disagree but we would have a truer understanding of the other position. I think both sides do this and I have been guilty of it myself.

 

[gotime]

There is no empty accusation - it is based on what you posted, nothing more and nothing less...

Yet you have not demonstrated any of what you have said and seem to not be interested in doing so. That is your choice i guess.

 

[oldethennew]

somebody, anybody, please, please call me out when I revert to grade and high school vocabulary
and thought process...

 

[graceNpeace]

Yet you have not demonstrated any of what you have said and seem to not be interested in doing so. That is your choice i guess.

The only thing I need to do is to quote your post.

 

[gotime]

how do we proceed?

can we reboot and try to get at the centre of the problem.

What are the assumptions? where does one start?

For me it seems that if we are going to talk about the Sabbath we need to go right back and discover everything we can about it from the OT and then progress through to the NT so that our foundation is solid.

It makes sense to start in the OT as that is where the Sabbath comes from. The NT speaks of the Sabbath and Sabbaths but they come from the OT. So it stands to reason that we start where it starts and go step by step.

 

[oldethennew]

 

[gotime]

Being that clearly it is the Law that is being talked about, may we start there and see where it leads us as we discover all we can about this Sabbath from the OT and then bring it to the NT.

For those who want to lets keep it focused and not assume but take only what we can get from the texts and contexts. and let is grow as we move along.

So here is the command:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What can we glean from this staying within the text but allowing of course context.

 

[gotime]

Here is what I see to start the conversation, Its ok to disagree and bring in options but lets try to keep it within what is written.

So here is what I see:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Israel was asked to Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. This to me says that it is already holy, God does not ask them to make it Holy but to keep it Holy. Two possible reasons for this that stand out are Exodus 16 and Genesis 2. However verse 11 tells us clearly that Gen 2 is the reason. So we don't have to guess. That tells us that the Sabbath points back to a finished work of God in creation.

how does one keep it holy? well according to these verses one simply does their work for 6 days and rests from that work on the 7th.

Interesting that it is called: "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God" what does this indicate, Its Gods Sabbath. The Sabbath is Gods Sabbath which he made Holy. we can explore that later in Gen 2.

We see also that it is for everyone even the stranger/Gentile who is with them. It is not exclusive but inclusive.

Other contexts to take into account:

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

God himself spoke this, what does that contribute?

Exo_31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

God wrote them with his own finger. He did not leave it to man like the rest of the law. what does this contribute?

What else is there that I have missed? lets talk.

 

[beta]

gotime....have you perhaps missed the fact that the people refused to hear God anymore after He had only given 10 of His Commandments ? Ex 20v19; Deut 5v22-25;and were only going to hear Moses. This refusal/rejection seems to have lasted down to our day and is a real 'stumbling stone for some. It's an attitude that needs to be repented of to overcome this hurdle....takes humility !

 

[slave]

In adding to my previous post, of:

What is the scriptural teaching concerning the keeping of days? The Bible has not commanded Christians to "observe" any day. No, absolutely none. According to the example and teaching of the Bible, on the Lord's Day (i.e., Sunday), Christians should:

1). Rejoice and be glad (Psa. 118:24),
2). Meet and break bread (Acts 20:7), and
3). Make offerings (1 Cor. 16:2).

These are the things that Christians should do. This day is the "Lord's Day" (Rev. 1:10).

I want to add, as I am going thru Hebrews in study, what moved me in (Hebrews 4:10), in regards to this sabbath discussion. "He that is entered into His rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from His."

At his creation man stood in a highly significant relation to God's rest. Adam, we are told, was created on the sixth day. Clearly then, he had no part in God's first six days of work, for only at their end did he exist. Thus, God's seventh day was Adam's first. Whereas God worked six days to enjoy His sabbath rest, Adam began life with the sabbath. God works before He rests. Man, to be in harmony with God must first enter into God's rest; then alone can he work.

This principle underlies all Christian service; all human life in Christ. Moreover, it was because God's first creation was so truly complete that Adam's life could have this satisfying starting point. And here is the gospel: that for us sinners God has taken one further necessary step and has completed also the entire work of Salvation. We need do nothing whatsoever to merit it. At once, by an act of simple faith, we can enter into the sabbath rest of His finished work.

This sabbath principle goes on in many facets as well in our lives outside of just the Church life of observing the Lord's day, for we are to sit in things already accomplished in Christ before any journey thru-out the work week as well prayerfully. So, this basis of oasis in biblical resting in Christ brings our activity into productivity as we live in Christ daily serving His purposes and intentions. Sabbath is not a ritual of sacrificing our important time, it is an investment in time spent wisely, even prospectively in peace and confidence in Him over our agenda an reasonings.

We have prayer, and we have quiet still moments of rest and fellowship with Him, in His Word and in being still in front of Him; simply restful, even family vacations are apart of God's economy as we remain in His will. God knew of the value of His sabbath in restful productivity for man, and in the necessity of the chain of command between us and Him; and as such it is not a waist of time, nor an Old Testament "has-been," it is a vital relational aspect for man's walk in the world thru righteousness as He refills us with His grace day-to-day, and week-to-week, and year-to-year. Sabbath begetting sabbath, begetting sabbath. In our Church life (the cooperate extension of the individual spiritual life encompassed in the body of Christ), and in our spiritual life.

 

[LoveGodForever]

In adding to my previous post, of: I want to add, as I am going thru Hebrews in study, what moved me in (Hebrews 4:10), in regards to this sabbath discussion. "He that is entered into His rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from His."
At his creation man stood in a highly significant relation to God's rest. Adam, we are told, was created on the sixth day. Clearly then, he had no part in God's first six days of work, for only at their end did he exist. Thus, God's seventh day was Adam's first. Whereas God worked six days to enjoy His sabbath rest, Adam began life with the sabbath. God works before He rests. Man, to be in harmony with God must first enter into God's rest; then alone can he work.

This principle underlies all Christian service; all human life in Christ. Moreover, it was because God's first creation was o truly complete that Adam's life could have this satisfying starting point. And here is the gospel: that for us sinners God has taken one further necessary step and has completed also the entire work of Salvation. We need do nothing whatsoever to merit it. At once, by an act of simple faith, we can enter into the sabbath rest of His finished work.

This sabbath principle goes on in many facets as well in our lives outside of just the Church life of observing the Lord's day, for we are to sit in things already accomplished in Christ before any journey thru-out the work week as well prayerfully. So, this basis of oasis in biblical resting in Christ brings our activity into productivity as we live in Christ daily serving His purposes and intentions. Sabbath is not a ritual of sacrificing our important time, it is an investment in time spent wisely, even prospectively in peace and confidence in Him over our agenda an reasonings.

We have prayer, and we have quiet still moments of rest and fellowship with Him, in His Word and in being still in front of Him; simply restful, even family vacations are apart of God's economy as we remain in His will. God knew of the value of His sabbath in restful productivity for man, and in the necessity of the chain of command between us and Him; and as such it is not a waist of time, nor an Old Testament "has-been," it is a vital relational aspect for man's walk in the world thru righteousness as He refills us with His grace day-to-day, and week-to-week, and year-to-year. Sabbath begetting sabbath, begetting sabbath. In our Church life (the cooperate extension of the individual spiritual life encompassed in the body of Christ), and in our spiritual life.

Hi Slave,

In your previous post you claim in your interpretation of God's Word that Sunday is referring to the Lord's Day. I think we showed you there that "The Lords Day" in God's Word is never referred to as Sunday. It is only referred to as the 7th Day Sabbath.....Mar 2:28, "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Lets take a look at Heb 4:1-10 in context to all the Chapter of Hebrews 4.

Hebrews 4 is a great chapter. Did you know however that this chapter is referring to God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath rest? Heb 4:1-4 is the context of this chapter. It says this also in verse 9 that you left. Let’s look at the context….

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (If you do not believe God's Word you do not have rest)
9 There remaineth therefore a "rest" to the people of God.

Please go and look at the Greek meaning of the word "rest" used in Heb 4:9 it its meaning is keeping of a Sabbath or Sabbath observance.

“There remaineth therefore a [Sabbath] rest [SUP]4520[/SUP] to the people of God.” (NAS; Heb 4:9)

The Greek word literally means “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.”

Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Englishman's Concordance

Strong's Greek 4520
σαββατισμὸς — 1 Occ.
Hebrews 4:9 N-NMS
GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ
NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people
KJV: therefore a rest to the people
INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people

Those that did not enter into God’s rest (7th Day Sabbath) did not enter in because of their unbelief and disobedience (sins)

Hope this is helpful.

God bless you

 

[graceNpeace]

Hi Slave,

In your previous post you claim in your interpretation of God's Word that Sunday is referring to the Lord's Day. I think we showed you there that "The Lords Day" in God's Word is never referred to as Sunday. It is only referred to as the 7th Day Sabbath.....Mar 2:28, "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Lets take a look at Heb 4:1-10 in context to all the Chapter of Hebrews 4.

Hebrews 4 is a great chapter. Did you know however that this chapter is referring to God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath rest? Heb 4:1-4 is the context of this chapter. It says this also in verse 9 that you left. Let’s look at the context….

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (If you do not believe God's Word you do not have rest)
9 There remaineth therefore a "rest" to the people of God.

Please go and look at the Greek meaning of the word "rest" used in Heb 4:9 it its meaning is keeping of a Sabbath or Sabbath observance.

“There remaineth therefore a [Sabbath] rest [SUP]4520[/SUP] to the people of God.” (NAS; Heb 4:9)

The Greek word literally means “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.”

Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Englishman's Concordance

Strong's Greek 4520
σαββατισμὸς — 1 Occ.
Hebrews 4:9 N-NMS
GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ
NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people
KJV: therefore a rest to the people
INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people

Those that did not enter into God’s rest (7th Day Sabbath) did not enter in because of their unbelief and disobedience (sins)

Hope this is helpful.

God bless you

None of this faulty exegesis proves anything!
The Sabbath rest spoken of in Hebrews chapter 4 has nothing to do with a day (Saturday) but everything to do with comparing the rest of the Mosaic Covenant (Canaan) with the rest of the New Covenant (Jesus Christ).
Nothing to do with a "day".