Pax Romana

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Locutus

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The "futurist" "theologies" claim the "end is near" by alluding to Jesus' statement about wars and rumours of wars among other bogus "signs":

Mat 24:6 KJV And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Since the Pax Roman ended there have been continual wars and rumours of wars.

From wiki:


Pax Romana (Latin for "Romanpeace") was the long period of relative peacefulness and minimal expansion by the Roman military force experienced by the Roman Empire after the end of the Final War of the Roman Republic and before the beginning of the Crisis of the Third Century. During this time, the Roman empire reached its peak land mass area and its population grew up to 70 million people.[1] Since it was established by Augustus, it is sometimes called Pax Augusta. Its span was approximately 206 years (27 BC to AD 180), from the time of Augustus becoming emperor to the death of Emperor Marcus Aurelius.[2]

In fact, the "Pax Romana" was broken by the First Jewish–Roman War, the Kitos War (also in Judea, 115–117), the Bar Kokhba Revolt (also known as the Third Jewish–Roman War), the Roman–Parthian War of 58–63, Trajan's Roman–Parthian War of 113, and Boudica's war in Britain in AD 60 or 61.


Full text at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Romana

The facts are that the Pax Romana was broken by one of the very things that Jesus stated would happen, the destruction of the temple and the sack of Judea and Jerusalem in the war of 66-70 AD:

Note Jesus' words:

Luke 23:29 KJV For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Luke 23:30 KJV Then shall they begin to say to the mountains,
Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

Luke 23:31 KJV For
if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

The "green tree" represented the relative calm of the Pax Romana, the "dry", the period of war in 66-70 AD.

It also has to be noted that prior to the above statement by Jesus he also said:

Luke 21:20 KJV And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:21 KJV Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke 21:22 KJV For these be the days of vengeance, that
ALLthings which are written may be fulfilled.

Notice the companion statement in Revelation with Luke:

Rev 6:16 KJV
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide usfrom the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Luke 23:30 KJV Then shall they begin to say to the mountains,
Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

This is no coincidence, this theme is thoroughly "Jewish/Israel" in concept:

Hosea 10:8 KJV The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars;
and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.

Isa 2:19 KJV
And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

There can be no doubt that the scene in the book of revelation is alluding directly to Jesus' prophecy of the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in the 1st century AD
 
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The "futurist" "theologies" claim the "end is near" by alluding to Jesus' statement about wars and rumours of wars among other bogus "signs":

Mat 24:6 KJV And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Since the Pax Roman ended there have been continual wars and rumours of wars.

From wiki:


Pax Romana (Latin for "Romanpeace") was the long period of relative peacefulness and minimal expansion by the Roman military force experienced by the Roman Empire after the end of the Final War of the Roman Republic and before the beginning of the Crisis of the Third Century. During this time, the Roman empire reached its peak land mass area and its population grew up to 70 million people.[1] Since it was established by Augustus, it is sometimes called Pax Augusta. Its span was approximately 206 years (27 BC to AD 180), from the time of Augustus becoming emperor to the death of Emperor Marcus Aurelius.[2]

In fact, the "Pax Romana" was broken by the First Jewish–Roman War, the Kitos War (also in Judea, 115–117), the Bar Kokhba Revolt (also known as the Third Jewish–Roman War), the Roman–Parthian War of 58–63, Trajan's Roman–Parthian War of 113, and Boudica's war in Britain in AD 60 or 61.


Full text at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Romana

The facts are that the Pax Romana was broken by one of the very things that Jesus stated would happen, the destruction of the temple and the sack of Judea and Jerusalem in the war of 66-70 AD:

Note Jesus' words:

Luke 23:29 KJV For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Luke 23:30 KJV Then shall they begin to say to the mountains,
Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

Luke 23:31 KJV For
if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

The "green tree" represented the relative calm of the Pax Romana, the "dry", the period of war in 66-70 AD.

It also has to be noted that prior to the above statement by Jesus he also said:

Luke 21:20 KJV And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:21 KJV Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke 21:22 KJV For these be the days of vengeance, that
ALLthings which are written may be fulfilled.

Notice the companion statement in Revelation with Luke:

Rev 6:16 KJV
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide usfrom the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Luke 23:30 KJV Then shall they begin to say to the mountains,
Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

This is no coincidence, this theme is thoroughly "Jewish/Israel" in concept:

Hosea 10:8 KJV The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars;
and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.

Isa 2:19 KJV
And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

There can be no doubt that the scene in the book of revelation is alluding directly to Jesus' prophecy of the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in the 1st century AD
I'm not sure of your point here. Are you saying that the rapture is not for a long time yet? Or What?
 
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I'm not sure of your point here. Are you saying that the rapture is not for a long time yet? Or What?
this mon be saying the rapture came and went friend and we done did miss it lol
 
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Locutus what about the resurrection of damnation when will that take place since the righteous part is done already and why aint u resurrected in a glorified body........... and are u looking forward to anything happening???
 

Locutus

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Locutus what about the resurrection of damnation when will that take place since the righteous part is done already and why aint u resurrected in a glorified body........... and are u looking forward to anything happening???
You need to understand that according to a literal interpretation of scripture that most translation hide from us:

Act 24:15 having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous.

Build your theology on an accurate translation of the Greek and deal with it honestly.
 
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You need to understand that according to a literal interpretation of scripture that most translation hide from us:

Act 24:15 having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous.

Build your theology on an accurate translation of the Greek and deal with it honestly.
yeah ok so it happened lets take it but this is impossible because look around we have people still existing and being born????? so how can the resurrection take place there would have to be a new resurrection every milisecond when people die..........
 

loveme1

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So there is no Great Tribulation? Mark of Beast? I'm asking if that is your belief?
 
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So there is no Great Tribulation? Mark of Beast? I'm asking if that is your belief?
Can you find "THE Great Tribulation" in the Bible? I can't.
 

loveme1

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21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matthew 24
 

Locutus

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yeah ok so it happened lets take it but this is impossible because look around we have people still existing and being born????? so how can the resurrection take place there would have to be a new resurrection every milisecond when people die..........
For Christians there is a resurrection when they die - there is no more "waiting in Hades", at death we receive the spiritual body, forever to be with the Lord.

Willie-T pointed to a good site about the tribulation/rapture, it gave me the idea for this "Pax Romana" thread:

Have a read, it's worth a few minutes of your time:

https://raptureless.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/the-great-tribulation/
 
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21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
lolz he got u good friend it says great tribulation not THE great tribulation
 
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21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
See, you don't seem to be able to find it either. That elusive word, "THE", that we keep throwing in to try and somehow create a specific "EVENT" keeps fouling-up our attempts.
 
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Can you find "THE Great Tribulation" in the Bible? I can't.
The great tribulation is this one....
Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. The world has seen tribulation but NOTHING compared to what is coming.
 

loveme1

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See, you don't seem to be able to find it either. That elusive word, "THE", that we keep throwing in to try and somehow create a specific "EVENT" keeps fouling-up our attempts.
Erm... I said Great Tribulation... if you wish to add a The... then enjoy yourself greatly.
 

loveme1

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See, you don't seem to be able to find it either. That elusive word, "THE", that we keep throwing in to try and somehow create a specific "EVENT" keeps fouling-up our attempts.
The Messiah gives Truth and I shall adhere. You put a The to prove your theology.
 

loveme1

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The great tribulation is this one....
Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. The world has seen tribulation but NOTHING compared to what is coming.
You need to play find the 'The'... if not then Great Tribulation is not to come...