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Greetings Huckleberry,
It is important to differentiate between the trials and tribulations that Jesus said believers would experience vs. God's coming, unprecedented wrath.
That said, those Christians in Syria, China, Iran, Egypt, and all around the world who are suffering is a result of the trials and tribulations that Jesus said believers would experience, which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. In opposition, the tribulation/great tribulation will come directly from God upon a Christ rejecting world.
In conclusion, those Christians in Syria and elsewhere are not suffering God's great tribulation, but the trials and tribulations that Jesus said believers would have as a result of faith in him. The great tribulation, which is God's coming wrath is completely different and should not be confused with those that Jesus said believers would suffer.
It is important to differentiate between the trials and tribulations that Jesus said believers would experience vs. God's coming, unprecedented wrath.
That said, those Christians in Syria, China, Iran, Egypt, and all around the world who are suffering is a result of the trials and tribulations that Jesus said believers would experience, which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. In opposition, the tribulation/great tribulation will come directly from God upon a Christ rejecting world.
In conclusion, those Christians in Syria and elsewhere are not suffering God's great tribulation, but the trials and tribulations that Jesus said believers would have as a result of faith in him. The great tribulation, which is God's coming wrath is completely different and should not be confused with those that Jesus said believers would suffer.
that word been around longer than ive been alive so i didnt come up with it, just because u dont know the words dont mean the word is a fairytale, u can google it in 5seconds its a view point on prophecy, just like u have a futuristic one............ these words are usually invented by some scholars somewhere and its kind of like having a label on your food........ u dont want it to just read food u wanna know what food it is and its a lot easier to just make a name for a doctrine than to explain all the details away in every convo......... im so tired of hearing that "what does the Word say" thing...... the Word says whatever u want it to say thats what it says, everyone is saying they go by the bible yet we have a billion different doctrines and interpretations so obviously that hasnt helped us one bit....... the bible is such a big book u can make it say whatever u want it to say i think the only things u cant twist are the direct 10 commandments and maybe sermon on the mount......... but i bet if i did a google search i would find that too lol
Enlighten me...
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
[h=1][/h] [h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now to him who by his power working in us is able to do far beyond anything we can ask or imagine, [SUP]21 [/SUP]to him be glory in the Messianic Community and in the Messiah Yeshua from generation to generation forever. Amen.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21Young's Literal Translation (YLT)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]and to Him who is able above all things to do exceeding abundantly what we ask or think, according to the power that is working in us,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]to Him [is] the glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus, to all the generations of the age of the ages. Amen.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, [SUP]21 [/SUP]to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now to him who is able to accomplish far more than all we ask or imagine, by the power at work within us, [SUP]21 [/SUP]to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21Living Bible (TLB)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now glory be to God, who by his mighty power at work within us is able to do far more than we would ever dare to ask or even dream of—infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, or hopes. [SUP]21 [/SUP]May he be given glory forever and ever through endless ages because of his master plan of salvation for the Church through Jesus Christ.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
[h=1][/h] [h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now to him who by his power working in us is able to do far beyond anything we can ask or imagine, [SUP]21 [/SUP]to him be glory in the Messianic Community and in the Messiah Yeshua from generation to generation forever. Amen.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21Young's Literal Translation (YLT)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]and to Him who is able above all things to do exceeding abundantly what we ask or think, according to the power that is working in us,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]to Him [is] the glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus, to all the generations of the age of the ages. Amen.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, [SUP]21 [/SUP]to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now to him who is able to accomplish far more than all we ask or imagine, by the power at work within us, [SUP]21 [/SUP]to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
[h=1]Ephesians 3:20-21Living Bible (TLB)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now glory be to God, who by his mighty power at work within us is able to do far more than we would ever dare to ask or even dream of—infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, or hopes. [SUP]21 [/SUP]May he be given glory forever and ever through endless ages because of his master plan of salvation for the Church through Jesus Christ.
The KJV is misleading in places, I like it as translation, but I'm aware of some of it's short comings - I would recommend Young's Literal Translation as it shows the correct tenses unlike some modern translations:
Such as:
Luke 21:36 New King James Version
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
The literal:
Luk 21:36 (Young's) watch ye, then, in every season, praying that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are about to come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.'
Theological bias is driving some translations.
Such as:
Luke 21:36 New King James Version
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
The literal:
Luk 21:36 (Young's) watch ye, then, in every season, praying that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are about to come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.'
Theological bias is driving some translations.
Both these versions say the same thing. Your problem is that you have trouble with that Elizabethan English. With a bit of practice you can see through it.
Look Where one says 'always' the other uses 'in all seasons' same thing. All through it its only the use of different words Not different saying
Look Where one says 'always' the other uses 'in all seasons' same thing. All through it its only the use of different words Not different saying
There is no difference. I think someone is trying to justify why they use a certain version. The fact of the matter is that God can use any version to reach and teach the reader. Do people think God is locked into a certain version?
The problem is that people try to learn the Word through intellect rather than trust the Holy Spirit to teach them
The problem is that people try to learn the Word through intellect rather than trust the Holy Spirit to teach them
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
The end of the world did not happen in the first century.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Why is Jesus warning them about spiritual deception,for that is not the concern of the Roman Empire,and Israel rejected Christ,and it is a physical overthrow of Jerusalem.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Back in Jesus' time,no advanced travel,no advanced technology,and if there was none today,go outside and look around,what do you see,and who is going to approach you and tell you of things that happen all around the world from far away.
Jesus said they shall hear of wars,and rumors of wars,and nation shall be against nation,and kingdom against kingdom,and pestilences,and earthquakes,and famines,that occur on different places on earth,and they are supposed to hear,and know these things back at the time of Jesus.
What can you know what occurs on earth without the technology we have today,especially when they dealt with the Roman Empire,but they will know of nation rising against nation,and kingdom and against kingdom,back then,and was not the Roman Empire controlling,for it does not seem like they were controlling too much.
The Bible says the 4th beast shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and the beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,the whole world,and we can see what is going on,and can hear of what is going on today with technology that can view the whole world.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
The saints shall be hated of all nations,not a few,all nations.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
The Gospel shall be preached in to all the world for a witness to all nations,and then shall the end come,which when Jesus delivers up the kingdom to God,the Father,that is when the end comes,but He also puts down all rule,and authority,and power,and rules the world with a rod of iron,but there is still earthy kingdoms ruling,and having power,and authority,but at the end Jesus will have put it all down,so if the end happened back then,why is kingdoms,and nations,still ruling.
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
It is the whole world that attacks Israel,for God turned the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
First attack for rejecting Christ,little itty bitty Roman Empire,for how many people does it actually take to overthrow Jerusalem,especially when God allowed it,and allowed the Jews to be scattered in to the nations.
Second attack for accepting Christ,the whole world,and God defeats the world,and saves Israel.
It happened in the first century is not correct,for it involves the whole world,the time for God to end this sin business on earth,which He did not do in the first century.
The Bible is the most misinterpreted book ever in the history of mankind.
The end of the world did not happen in the first century.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Why is Jesus warning them about spiritual deception,for that is not the concern of the Roman Empire,and Israel rejected Christ,and it is a physical overthrow of Jerusalem.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Back in Jesus' time,no advanced travel,no advanced technology,and if there was none today,go outside and look around,what do you see,and who is going to approach you and tell you of things that happen all around the world from far away.
Jesus said they shall hear of wars,and rumors of wars,and nation shall be against nation,and kingdom against kingdom,and pestilences,and earthquakes,and famines,that occur on different places on earth,and they are supposed to hear,and know these things back at the time of Jesus.
What can you know what occurs on earth without the technology we have today,especially when they dealt with the Roman Empire,but they will know of nation rising against nation,and kingdom and against kingdom,back then,and was not the Roman Empire controlling,for it does not seem like they were controlling too much.
The Bible says the 4th beast shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and the beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,the whole world,and we can see what is going on,and can hear of what is going on today with technology that can view the whole world.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
The saints shall be hated of all nations,not a few,all nations.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
The Gospel shall be preached in to all the world for a witness to all nations,and then shall the end come,which when Jesus delivers up the kingdom to God,the Father,that is when the end comes,but He also puts down all rule,and authority,and power,and rules the world with a rod of iron,but there is still earthy kingdoms ruling,and having power,and authority,but at the end Jesus will have put it all down,so if the end happened back then,why is kingdoms,and nations,still ruling.
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
It is the whole world that attacks Israel,for God turned the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
First attack for rejecting Christ,little itty bitty Roman Empire,for how many people does it actually take to overthrow Jerusalem,especially when God allowed it,and allowed the Jews to be scattered in to the nations.
Second attack for accepting Christ,the whole world,and God defeats the world,and saves Israel.
It happened in the first century is not correct,for it involves the whole world,the time for God to end this sin business on earth,which He did not do in the first century.
The Bible is the most misinterpreted book ever in the history of mankind.
