God's Commandment For Women Not To Speak In Church

[Denadii]

Oh..so u can't find a scripture as evidence? Then it would be reasonable to leave the verse as it is.QUOTE=Denadii;3178072]I don't know if there is a verse that says women could not read. The education system of the time though was not unclear.

Learning at Home​

From birth, to around thirteen years of age, you're life would have been focused on education during the time of Jesus. Like today, as soon as you are born you start to learn the language that is spoken around you. In this case, it was Aramaic; a combination of Hebrew and Babylonian. In addition to learning their first language at home, children also learned how to read and write at home.

This part would allow girls I would think. but...

Formal Education​

Formal education was only allowed for boys, and began formally at the age of five in a local synogague, where they were taught by rabbis. Synogagues had an equivalent of both elementary and secondary school, and they had a student teacher ratio of about 1:25. Starting at five years old in "elementary school," students studied the written Torah. Students wrote on papyrus scrolls, which were no longer than around thirty feet each. People also learned Hebrew, the language of the scriptures. Students studied seven days a week, and even went to school insead of synogague.The reason people were allowed to do this wasn't because they considered biblical education more importan than worship. It was because they didn't seperate education of the Torah from worship. In fact, education of the Torah was considered the highest form of worship. Studying scripture was very tedious and often times consisted of memorization, repetition and reading out loud. In order to memorize all this information, people often times made mnemonic devices, and repeated information to themselves outloud throughout the day.

When you turned ten, you entered "secondary school," in which you studied oral Torah, and learned Greek, which was considered the language of business and politics in the Roman world. During this time students would also find a teacher to "follow", and in a way become their apprentince. When Jesus was a student he chose to follow John the Baptist.

Further Education​

Once you were around thirteen years old you either stopped your education and started working in your father's trade which would have been taught to you at home, or you continued your studies at Bet Midrash, the House of Study. Here you would study Halachot, or rabbinic law. Also, the library was located at he Bet Midrash. At around thirty years old if you HAD continued your studies, you would enter your full ministry of work.

So, Yes its possible that some girls could read. And why not?

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[/QUOTE]

Which verse and why are you fighting? You asked a question and I tried to answer it.

 

[Zen]

@Zen, The more you speak, the more you sound like a teenage boy sitting on the back of a pickup tailgate, boasting to his buddies.

This isn't true. You've just lied.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[MavundaB]

Hahaha..who is fighting???
Which verse and why are you fighting? You asked a question and I tried to answer it.[/QUOTE]

 

[Denadii]

This isn't true. You've just lied.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Zen why are you being so stubborn? Why not apologize and leave it? You blew it by saying what you did. You don't even need a ten step plan to regain people good graces. Just use a three point plan. Its more efficient and easier....Three points..Admit it, quit it and forget it. Easy.

 

[kaylagrl]

Zen why are you being so stubborn? Why not apologize and leave it? You blew it by saying what you did. You don't even need a ten step plan to regain people good graces. Just use a three point plan. Its more efficient and easier....Three points..Admit it, quit it and forget it. Easy.

Its not possible for a boy to be a man. Someone has to teach them and to be taught you have to have a teachable spirit.

 

[Denadii]

Its not possible for a boy to be a man. Someone has to teach them and to be taught you have to have a teachable spirit.

Hmmm One can always hope.

I had a friend say one time. "If a fool did all the things that a wise man does, what result would he get?" Well, he would get a wise mans results obviously. But what would happen if a wise man did all the things only a fool does? What results would he get?
Yup.

It seems like Zen has a choice.

 

[Billyd]

This isn't true. You've just lied.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I rest my case.

I apologize to the teenagers.

 

[proverbs35]

I just want to say thank you to each and every man on this thread who has taken a stand against wife beating. I don't speak for all the women on this thread nor could I. However, I believe that a lot of the women on this thread will agree with me.

THANK YOU for standing for truth. You are appreciated. It buttress the fact that decent Christian men still exist.

 

[hopesprings]

If God can't put words in your closed ears, I certainly couldn't put them in your open mouth.

Oh...
wow...
this comment

so cringe worthy
lol

 

[hopesprings]

Interesting topic. Maybe am a stereotype. Personally I can't tolerate a woman preaching in a Church."the so called lady pastors"...Jesus said I am not hear to change the law but to fulfill it. So if it's written that women should be silent in a church so be it,irrespective of what the constitutional rights states. No law is more supreme than God's law.

God's law is supreme.
Your interpretation of God's law is not.

 

[hopesprings]

This isn't true. You've just lied.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

actually, you just lied in saying he lied. He never said you were a teenager blah blah...he said that's what you sound like.
So...
there....

 

[GaryA]

Junia was an apostle (Rom 16:7).

Romans 16:7 is actually a good argument I checked it out, its a female name it seems. I'll pray and think about this for sure. Thanks.

Romans 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Adronicus and Junia, kinsmen of Paul, were noted among the apostles. The apostles gave them notice because of their faithfulness in Christ.

Admittedly, that would be another way to understand the verse. But note the verse does not say "The apostles gave them notice because of their faithfulness in Christ." You are inserting your opinion into the text.

Romans 16:7 does not in any way indicate that Junia was an apostle. That is not what the verse is saying.

The phrase "who are of note among the apostles" [ only ] indicates that Andronicus and Junia "had been given notable recognition" by the apostles.


You are inserting your opinion into the text.

 

[shrume]

Romans 16:7 does not in any way indicate that Junia was an apostle. That is not what the verse is saying.

The phrase "who are of note among the apostles" [ only ] indicates that Andronicus and Junia "had been given notable recognition" by the apostles.

But that's not what the verse says, is it...

(KJV) Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

(NIV) Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.

^^ note the NIV changed Junia to Junias.

(ESV) Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me.

^^ The ESV translators apparently hold your belief that Andronicus and Junia were not apostles.

(NKJV) Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

(NRSV) Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives who were in prison with me; they are prominent among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.

(ASV) Salute Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also have been in Christ before me.

^^ note the ASV changed Junia to Junias.

(YLT) salute Andronicus and Junias, my kindred, and my fellow-captives, who are of note among the apostles, who also have been in Christ before me.

How did you determine that "who are of note among the apostles" [ only ] indicates that Andronicus and Junia "had been given notable recognition" by the apostles.?

Your opinion, perhaps?

You are inserting your opinion into the text.

 

[GaryA]

LOL

A perfect example of the 'temperament' of the discussion in this thread!

( hahahaha )

 

[OneFaith]

Well our society is decaying quickly and much of it is to do with the relationship between men and women.

The first problem regarding women is the belief that they can do well without men and raise children on their own. Why does God mention widows and fatherless a lot? Why does He insist those people to be taken care of?

Deuteronomy 10:18
He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

Fatherless is found 43 times in the bible. Widow is found 82 times in the bible.

Genesis 38:8
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

Almost as if... God is telling people that women should have a man and they should raise children together.

It was God's statute for Israelite men to marry their brother's widow and raise their children. Why? To make sure everybody had a loving family. A man over a woman, not the other way around.

The enemy has given priority to females in society and made men 2nd class and that's why it's crumbling.

Women get preference of custody of children in divorce court.
Women are just as likely to abuse a child as a man and yet people aren't cautious to leave women alone with children.
Women can have a child and put anyone's name on the legal document and if that man doesn't refute it within a certain time they become the legal parent of a child and be required to pay child support.

The rise of feminism is creating further rifts and pushing men in to avoiding women completely (MGTOW).

Fatherless children grow up to be more likely to be suicidal, criminal, maladjusted and do less well in education.

Proverbs 29:15
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

I don't care how good a woman thinks she is at being a mother, if the child does not have a father figure in their life they are being stolen from as far as I'm concerned.

Women have gone from being delightful, respectful and quiet to "we are just as good as men!" and now are above men in status in the world. Women can pick and choose whoever they want because of their status.

"Handsome guy over there, and he's rich, got a good career and a Ferrari".
"Yeah but he's only 5'9 LOL what a loser"

Biblical figures would be shocked if they could see the world today.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I agree many (not all) women are disrespectful, but guys are to blame too. Many men leave their families to find women to live off of. A lot of men today are not taking their role properly either. But wife-beating has never been part of the proper male role model- and how dare you say that!!!

Not all women dis men. I threw away Bearinstain bear books, and wouldn't let my kids read them because the bear family laughed at the dad and always put him down. They've changed those books since then, but I want to note that I have a great realspect for men (though it's hard to find any genuine ones anymore).