Did Muhammad really see Gabriel or was it just satan posing as an angel of light?

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Burninglight

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What makes you believe that Muhammad really sees the Satan posing as Angel of Light? Any proof?
What makes you ask that? He didn't know it was Satan; we don't know either. The visitation could have just been a demon, but for certain, he wasn't Gabriel the angel.
 
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Yes English is not my native language. Can I ask again, What makes you believe that Muhammad actually saw Satan who disguised as Angel of Light? Any evidence?

Actually, I do not believe that Angel and Satan exist.
What do you believe in?
 
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Even Satan dare not claim that he can offer eternal life,because he cannot prove it or do it. Only God can lay claim to that and he have proved it and have done it. there is no other faith that offers eternal life. And I would go with a God,the only God that does offer it. The question is, will you choose life, through Jesus Christ, or Death by way of Satan.?
So Satan wouldn't lie? Interesting take on The Great Deceiever who comes as an angel of light.
Wasn't it Satan who offered Jesus kingdoms and lands and power, even though God owns it all since it's His creation? And since Jesus is His son, it also belongs to Jesus? So Satan offered something that he didn't have the power to give?
 

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It's up to you to decide what the truth is.

While I may be a Christian, I still accept that not everyone shares my beliefs. I would still pray that the Lord puts people on the right path if they're not on that path already.
I have to STRONGLY disagree with "It's up to you to decide what the truth is". I'm sorry we don't "decide" what's true and what's false. I do understand your point of view though, I felt the same way before I was truly saved while thinking I knew what being a Christian was. Truth is I didn't know and only God could confirm His truth to me.

I am not trying to make any assumptions about you or your salvation. That's between God and you and it's not my place or within my abilities at all. What I do recognize it the thought pattern and it's how I thought before God saved me through the work of His Son Jesus on that cross. I used to think "Who am I to say God didn't reveal Himself in different ways to different people groups?" We can't KNOW that, and it seems arrogant to act as if I do. You know what? I still feel the same way as far as it being arrogant to claim you KNOW the right way before you are saved and God reveals Himself to you. The way I like to sum up my "Christian" attitude before I was truly saved was "I really like the whole idea/store/point of Jesus, but I have bills to pay". Basically it was a nice thought, and if you followed the ideals behind it you would live a decent life, but I also have the "real world" out here to deal with everyday, but I was DEAD wrong.

This all is as REAL as real gets, and I think I dragged my jaw around for a month after my "road to Damascus experience", and God revealing Himself to me, indwelling me, and making me all new in a way that changed me from the inside out overnight. My testimony is here ( My testimony to Gods glory in my life. It's long but worth a read.) if you're interested in the details of who I was, and how this all happen. I am also here and willing to discuss anything else as well. I hope this didn't come across like any kind of judgement or attack and you have a great day.
 
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So Satan wouldn't lie? Interesting take on The Great Deceiever who comes as an angel of light.
Wasn't it Satan who offered Jesus kingdoms and lands and power, even though God owns it all since it's His creation? And since Jesus is His son, it also belongs to Jesus? So Satan offered something that he didn't have the power to give?
Yes, Satan is the ruler of this world; he owns it, because God in His sovereignty allows it to be the case for now. But God owns Satan. Satan cannot do what God doesn't allow.

God was greater than Jesus while Jesus walked on earth; so, Jesus yielded to all of God's will. God was greater than Jesus in function and office, but they were equal in nature and character. Satan had the power to give the kingdoms of this world and Jesus knew it, but we know the story. What good is it to gain the whole world and lose your own soul?
 
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What makes you ask that? He didn't know it was Satan; we don't know either. The visitation could have just been a demon, but for certain, he wasn't Gabriel the angel.
It's like you believe that Alien exists, though it does not exist at all.
 
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It's like you believe that Alien exists, though it does not exist at all.
What makes you say that? Nothing could be further from the truth. Demons can impersonated aliens. What is so strange about that? They do it to get your mind off of Christ.
 
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Burninglight

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Satan is the father of lies, but he doesn't always lie! I mean he wasn't lying about being able to give Jesus the kingdoms of the world.
 
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I believe what I see with the naked eye, but not the invisible being.
So you cannot see God; therefore you don't believe in God? The eye can deceive you. Jesus said the eye is like a window if it is clear it gives light to your soul but if the light in you is darkness, then how great is the darkness?
 
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So you cannot see God; therefore you don't believe in God? The eye can deceive you. Jesus said the eye is like a window if it is clear it gives light to your soul but if the light in you is darkness, then how great is the darkness?
I do not think so. I believe your own eyes can not deceive you, unless your brain can confuse and make you believe blindly.
 
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I do not think so. I believe your own eyes can not deceive you, unless your brain can confuse and make you believe blindly.
Well, that is easily proved incorrect. I can fool your eye with slight of hand.
 
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I believe what I see with the naked eye, but not the invisible being.
There's a saying I heard once that goes, never believe what you hear and only half believe what you can see. But as a Christian, we believe in the things that you cannot see with the human eye. That's what true faith is. It's why they call it "blind faith". Not because you are blinded. But because you are walking in the dark by faith. That is the penultimate lesson we bozos need to learn. It's all about Faith. That and love, right from wrong. Come reason with me saith the Lord God. But through faith, through the sheer believing of it. Even the faith that's as small as mustard seed. Can cast mountains into the sea. Can exercise spirits and cure diseases, reformatories and ailments through nothing more than the command in Jesus' name and simple faith it will happen. The faith in the truth and it's that truth that sets us free and free indeed!

The way I see it. And as a Christian I'll die to the death to say it. There are many different ways to finding God. But they all mostly try to get you in through the back door. There's only one right way in through the pearly gates. And that's through... "Faith". Faith in His Son and Faith that all scripture is written by man that were inspired by God to make the Holy Bible come about in such a way that it would serve as a living word of God that will outlive generation after generation, nations and kingdoms. And for reasons that we can't fully understand right now. But one day, we shall know in full, even as we are all known in full right now. Right now we see through a darkened misty glass, but then we shall see in full. But I thought that was the main reason we are all gathered here in the first place can I get an Amen!? :)
 
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Burninglight

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Really, sounds like you're using sorcery.
Sorcery deals with the supernatural. Slight of hand is not sorcery. If you think your eye cannot be fooled, you are naïve and or ignorant. You prove it by calling slight of hand sorcery.
 
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Sorcery deals with the supernatural. Slight of hand is not sorcery. If you think your eye cannot be fooled, you are naïve and or ignorant. You prove it by calling slight of hand sorcery.
I have read according to the Talmud, the source of power and authority that Jesus performed miraculous or supernatural was from the Satan or Demon, after Jesus performed a miracles. They also claim that Jesus used powers of sorcery and learned the arts of sorcery in Egypt.

This means all miracles, sorcery or supernatural performed by Jesus can not deceive the eyes of the Pharisees and Jews.
 
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I have read according to the Talmud, the source of power and authority that Jesus performed miraculous or supernatural was from the Satan or Demon, after Jesus performed a miracles. They also claim that Jesus used powers of sorcery and learned the arts of sorcery in Egypt.

This means all miracles, sorcery or supernatural performed by Jesus can not deceive the eyes of the Pharisees and Jews.

There were many Jews who believed Jesus and followed Him,even on punishment of death. All his disciples were murdered but one. Why would satan want to heal the sick? In Matthew Jesus asked the Pharisees "[FONT=&quot]And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. [/FONT]
 
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I have read according to the Talmud, the source of power and authority that Jesus performed miraculous or supernatural was from the Satan or Demon, after Jesus performed a miracles. They also claim that Jesus used powers of sorcery and learned the arts of sorcery in Egypt.

This means all miracles, sorcery or supernatural performed by Jesus can not deceive the eyes of the Pharisees and Jews.
Miracles are always supernatural, but not all supernatural occurrences are miracles. What you are saying here sounds and looks demonic, but your ear cannot hear or your eye see it.
 
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I see. Like I said, please read this thread from start to finish. And or please do some research on it for yourself. Use Google to search and research it and come to your own conclusion! The facts are that Muhammad say or was said to have been visited by an angel but he was mistreated by that angel. Even strangled by it. And angels of God don't strangle people....
That is correct Muhammad was pushed. Satan pushes God's Spirit leads; there is a big difference.
 
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I have read according to the Talmud, the source of power and authority that Jesus performed miraculous or supernatural was from the Satan or Demon, after Jesus performed a miracles. They also claim that Jesus used powers of sorcery and learned the arts of sorcery in Egypt.

This means all miracles, sorcery or supernatural performed by Jesus can not deceive the eyes of the Pharisees and Jews.
Or it means that they were wrong. It's called blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Smh.