The TRUE grace of God isn't what most people think!

LoveGodForever · Jul 11, 2017

Hello graceNpeace,

If any man does not tell the truth it is a lie. Now my friend, did I really say what you are accusing me of saying above? To knowingly lie or bare false witness against another, is a sin against your fellow man and God. Could you please show me this message that I have supposedly posted that says what you have said above? Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite and a deceiver? Let God judge between us...

"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47)

"He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judges: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemns thyself; for thou that judges does the same things." (Rom 2:1)

Magenta · Jul 11, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Jesus said that all the law and the prophets was fulfilled by loving God and your neighbor as yourself. How you can get killing people and committing adultery etc out of what was said is quite a stretch. And quite an offensive one at that. Nobody says we are free to sin. Get a grip.

LoveGodForever · Jul 11, 2017

Magenta said:

Absolutely Magenta, on these two commandments hangs all the Law and the prophets (Matt 22:40) and are fulfilled in those that walk not after the flesh (sinful mind) but after the Spirit (new mind) (Heb 8:10-12;Rom 8:4) This is the fact that the Law of God has never been done away with. It is the central theme in both the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, accept in the New it is fulfilled in us if we believe and have faith in God's Word

God bless you

Grace777x70 · Jul 11, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

I too am worried that your Judaizing spirit and anti-Christ beliefs will continue to mis-lead others into following this Sabbath day and if we don't follow it as in is in the Old Testament - you say we are sinning and dis-obeying God. This is a definite Judaizing spirit which is why people have been coming against you.

You have been told many times about the life of Christ will not lead us to steal or murder so your argument again is based on nonsense.

Here is a link below that shows this Judaizing spirit and the Sabbath Day keepers that say Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God which is a distortion of the gospel - if they don't "observe it like in the Old Testament".

If anyone comes with the message that "You must now follow the law of Moses as in observing the Sabbath or feasts days - if you do not - then you are dis-obeying God and sinning."....

..if you hear this - run from it because it is an anti-Christ belief system just like the Judaizers that came in to the Galatians and tried to get them to follow the law of Moses only their route was by circumcision. Some do it by eating certain foods only which is a sign of the those falling away from the faith ( 1 Tim. 4:1-5 )

Paul said that he did not stand for the Judaizers message for one hour so that the truth would remain with them. Gal. 2:5

Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

Question: "Who were the Judaizers?"

There are many groups today with beliefs/practices very similar to the Judaizers of the New Testament. The two most prominent would be the Hebrew Roots Movement and the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of the Hebrew Roots Movement are virtually identical to those of the Judaizers whom Paul rebuked in Galatians. A primary focus of the Hebrew Roots Movement is to put followers of Christ back under the bondage of the Old Testament Law.

The issues for the 1st-century Judaizers were circumcision and Sabbath-keeping.

Here is the link.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Judaizers.html

My personal view is that I do not look at all Hebrew Roots adherents as all the same. As I have said before - there are many that are of authentic Jewish descent and they like their traditions but they do not say that others need to observe the Sabbath or feasts as in the law of Moses or you are dis-obeying God and sinning.

They observe these things to see Christ as the fulfillment of them - not as something they "need" to do now.

This group has excellent teachings on how Christ has fulfilled the Law and show Christ in every part of the Old Testament. Jesus said that all the scriptures speak about Him.

This group of believers are a major blessing to us in the body of Christ and are not Judaizers such as Paul encountered and that are also in the extreme sects of Hebrew Roots/Sabbath day/Feasts keepers that say believers in Christ must "observe the Sabbath and the feasts like in the law of Moses - or they are dis-obeying God and sinning".

Those - run away from as fast as you can! - but do not put all Hebrew Roots people in the same boat as the extreme sects because they are not the same.

You my friend unfortunately fall into the Judaizing group because you have said yourself that Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't follow the Sabbath day as in the Old Testament way.

Unfortunately again - graceNpeace was right in post #51 about you and your continued distortion of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

LoveGodForever · Jul 11, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Then prove it? All you have posted are opinions that have no basis in truth.

"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47)

"He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judges: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemns thyself; for thou that judges does the same things." (Rom 2:1)

LoveGodForever · Jul 11, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I am not interested in the teachings of men. I follow God's Word. Jesus is my teacher. If we follow the teachings my men over the Word of God we are not following God. (Mark 7:7)

Show me from God's Word the scriptures that say....

1. Jesus is our Sabbath?

2. Where does it say in the Bible (God's Word) we no longer need to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath a holy day?

3. Where in the Bible (God's Word) does it say we are commanded to keep Sunday as God's new Sabbath?

God bless you

Grace777x70 · Jul 11, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

I invite all to view the "Sabbath" thread and see this in action.

Here is where we show what is really happening. Why there is antagonism against the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-43.html#post3144386

Here the question about whether a Christian is dis-obeying God and sinning if they don't observe the Sabbath Day as in the Old Testament - this was the 3rd attempt.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-44.html#post3144736

Which then you proceed to take a scripture out of context to say that we are sinning willfully and thus there is no more sacrifice of sins.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-44.html#post3144840

Here is another attempt.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-44.html#post3144867

Here is where I have tried again to get you to act truthfully and yet you continued to be deceitful.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-44.html#post3144941

And this goes on for a few more posts so what graceNpeace has said about you in post #51 in this thread is dead on.

We are confronting this Judaizing spirit because it is a distortion of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work and we will boldly proclaim Christ in the face of this - just like Paul did against the Judaizers of his day.

Enough has been said to bring to light the deceitfulness and distortion of the gospel of Christ so I'll leave it in the hands of the Lord.

The Holy Spirit within the Christians will reveal the truth of Christ as our true Sabbath rest and that we are not sinning or dis-obeying God because we don't follow the Old testament way of the Sabbath from Friday until Saturday - nor is Sunday the true Sabbath either.

Grace777x70 · Jul 11, 2017

Here I am addressing your attempts to spiritually manipulate me and others because I don't fall for the Judaizing attempts.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-48.html#post3148002

LoveGodForever · Jul 11, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I invite all to view the "Sabbath" thread and see this in action.

Here is where we show what is really happening. Why there is antagonism against the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-43.html#post3144386
Here the question about whether a Christian is dis-obeying God and sinning if they don't observe the Sabbath Day as in the Old Testament - this was the 3rd attempt.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-44.html#post3144736
Which then you proceed to take a scripture out of context to say that we are sinning willfully and thus there is no more sacrifice of sins.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-44.html#post3144840
Here is another attempt.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-44.html#post3144867
Here is where I have tried again to get you to act truthfully and yet you continued to be deceitful.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149862-sabbath-44.html#post3144941
And this goes on for a few more posts so what graceNpeace has said about you in post #51 in this thread is dead on.

We are confronting this Judaizing spirit because it is a distortion of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work and we will boldly proclaim Christ in the face of this - just like Paul did against the Judaizers of his day.
Enough has been said to bring to light the deceitfulness and distortion of the gospel of Christ so I'll leave it in the hands of the Lord. The Holy Spirit within the Christians will reveal the truth of Christ as our true Sabbath rest and that we are not sinning or dis-obeying God because we don't follow the Old testament way of the Sabbath from Friday until Saturday - nor is Sunday the true Sabbath either.

You are a funny one Grace777. None of those posts say what graceNpeace says in post 51 maybe you need to read it again. Everyone should go to the Sabbath thread and read everything in context it is a good read. The truth is there (if you search for it). You are not upset with me my friend but God's Word because it conflicts with what you believe in following the teachings of men. I must follow Jesus because I love him.

Do you love Jesus Grace 777?

graceNpeace · Jul 12, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Grace777, I am worried about you my friend. You clearly do not know the Word of God and close your eyes to it when it comes to you because it is not in harmony with what you choose to believe. It seems by all the things you say, that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? If I try to keep God's 10 commandments as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer and a Law keeper. All I am doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal because I believe God's Word and I love God. Do you know about the New Covenant? Jesus says “If you love me keep my commandments.” (John 14:15). It’s always been about Jesus with me my friend because I love him. What about you?

Utterly stupid straw-man argument!

Obviously never heard of the fruit of the Spirit...

Grace777x70 · Jul 12, 2017

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

Grace777, I am worried about you my friend. You clearly do not know the Word of God and close your eyes to it when it comes to you because it is not in harmony with what you choose to believe. It seems by all the things you say, that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? If I try to keep God's 10 commandments as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer and a Law keeper. All I am doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal because I believe God's Word and I love God. Do you know about the New Covenant? Jesus says “If you love me keep my commandments.” (John 14:15). It’s always been about Jesus with me my friend because I love him. What about you?

graceNpeace said:

The same garbage is being said all the time. As we both have said - " people are free in Christ to observe the Sabbath as they choose" but when they say that Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't follow the Old Testament way - this is a Judaizing spirit that is distorting the grace of God in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.

It is obvious that in the New Covenant that it is the life of Christ in us that we live by - the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will not have us murder people or steal from them.

I also don't fall for this spiritual manipulation and witchcraft which is of the flesh when the attempt is being made by saying "Don't you love Jesus?"

Those that say we need to keep the Sabbath as from Friday until sauturday as outlined in the Old Testament and if not - we are sinning and dis-obeying- these are Judaizers and it is an anti-Christ belief.

James said that we need to keep the whole law. So I ask these Judaizers - Do you stone others that don't keep the Sabbath as outlined in the Old Testament? It goes with the Sabbath.

Do you know believe the word of God? Do you not want to follow the word of God? Do you not love Jesus? I am only giving you the word of God.

This is all spiritual manipulation and witchcraft that is used by the Judaizing spirit that seeks to manipulate others and it is a distortion of the gospel of Christ.

I don't fall for this type of junk and the Holy Spirit will warn others to stay away from this type of religious spirit that is anti-Christ at it's very core.

Paul said that he wouldn't stand for this for even one hour "so that" the truth of the gospel would remain with the Galatians.

Back then - it was circumcision where the Judaziers were telling Christians they needed to do. It was the sign that God gave to Abraham and if they wanted to be in the covenant - they needed to be circumcised.

This was "before the Law of Moses" so it has a stronger biblical presence but yet - in reality - we have what Christ has done and spiritually circumcised our hearts from the body of flesh and thus it is fulfilled in Christ. Col. 2:11

It's the same for the Sabbath rest - Jesus is our true Sabbath rest and that is to believe in all that Christ has already done for us.

Hebrews 4:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

Colossians 2:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—

[SUP]17 [/SUP] things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

LoveGodForever · Jul 12, 2017

Hello Grace777,

Do you know what the fruits of the spirit are? Did you notice what I underlined in the post of mine you quoted from in post 60? How about you my friend are you demonstrating the fruits of the Spirit in your posts to me?
As said earlier our opinions do not mean anything, it is only God’s Word (rightly divided) that matters ….Further comments under your posts….

Grace777x70 said:

This is where you make your mistake. Be very clear these are not my words my friend, but the Words of Him who sends me… “Sin is the transgression of God’s Law (1John 3:4) and unbelief in His Word (Rom 14:23). If God tells us not to do something and we do it that is sin (Ex 20:1-17). If God tells us to do something and we do not do it that is also sin (Matt 21:28-31). Both of the above is disobedience and not obeying God’s Word or unbelief or not believing what God says and is sin. God says all His Word is important. “Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4). If we break one of God’s commandment we are guilty of breaking all of them and are “Under the Law” guilty of breaking it and guilty of sin. “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10) If we continue to knowingly sin and refuse to hear God’s plea to repent of our sins, God’s Word says the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). It is not God’s will that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and be saved by faith in his Word (2Pet 3:9; 2Pet 1:4; Heb 8:10-12).

Grace777x70 said:

Ok so you’re on the right track there. So you agree that if you are partaking of the New Covenant and you have been born again and are walking in the Spirit. You will not steal right and murder? Great let’s look at what you have just said. These are part of God’s Law right (the 10 commandments). You have just agreed that if you are following God under the New Covenant then you will not murder and steal. So let’s look at all of God’s Law applying the same thinking (Ex 20:1-17). This indeed is the new covenant experience spoken of in Jer 31:31-34; Eze 36:26-27; Heb 8:10-12; 10:16-17.
“[SUP]33[/SUP]I will put my law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. No more shall every man teach his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” This is the law of love to God and to our neighbour.

So now under the new covenant when God changes our heart; we will love God and our neighbour.

if we love God we will not steal
if we love God we will not murder
if we love God we will not commit adultery
if we love God we will not lie
if we love God we will honour our parents
if we love God we will not covet
if we love God we will have no other gods except our God who loves us
if we love God we will not make unto any idols
if we love God we will not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
if we love God we will Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy as he asked us to!

God’s Law has always been central to both the Old and the New Covenant. It is only by the operation of God as we have Faith in His Word that God changes our hearts so that we can love him and love our neighbour that we can walk in his ways. This is why Jesus says its only if you love me we can keep hid commandments (John 14:15)
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
Love is the fulfilling of the God’s Law. I love Jesus and want to follow Him how about you?

Grace777x70 said:

The problem with your interpretation above is that you do not understand the difference between God’s Law and the laws of Moses. God’s Law is forever (Ecc 3:14) and is the very foundation of both the Old Covenant (Ex 20:1-17) and the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34; Eze 36:26-27; Heb 8:10-12; 10:16-17). In the Old Covenant according to the civil laws of Moses people were stoned for openly breaking the Sabbath is correct. Did you know that the same punishment applied for breaking other laws of God during this time? If someone was caught in adultery they were also put to death according to the laws of Moses (Lev 20:10; John 8:4-5). Now you just agreed above that we do not commit adultery if we are in the New Covenant right? So how does that argument work for you? The only statement you said above that is correct is that if we break one of God’s we are guilty of all (James 2:8-12). Another words if we keep 9 commandments and break 1 we are Under the Law as sinners.

Grace777x70 said:

Well this above is quite judgemental and full of false accusations so I will not comment there it is between you and God…. "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47) "He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48) "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judges: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemns thyself; for thou that judges does the same things." (Rom 2:1)

Grace777x70 said:

Lets take a look at Heb 4:1-10 in context to all the Chapter of Hebrews 4.
Hebrews 4 is a great chapter. Did you know however that this chapter is referring to God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath rest? Heb 4:1-4 is the context of this chapter. It says this also in verse 9 that you left. Let’s look at the context….
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (If you do not believe God's Word you do not have rest)
9 There remaineth therefore a "rest" to the people of God.

Please go and look at the Greek meaning of the word "rest" used in Heb 4:9 it its meaning is keeping of a Sabbath or Sabbath observance.
“There remaineth therefore a [Sabbath] rest [SUP]4520[/SUP] to the people of God.” (NAS; Heb 4:9)
The Greek word literally means “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.”
Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Englishman's Concordance

Strong's Greek 4520
σαββατισμὸς — 1 Occ.
Hebrews 4:9 N-NMS
GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ
NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people
KJV: therefore a rest to the people
INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people

Those that did not enter into God’s rest (7th Day Sabbath) did not enter in because of their unbelief and disobedience (sins). God did not give them His rest. This is the same warning for those that disobey Him and do not follow His Word.

Grace777x70 said:

Lets take a look at Colossians 2:16-17 and what Sabbaths are a shadow pointing to Christ.
1. Do you know what a High Sabbath day is? (John 19:31)
2. What is an annual Sabbaths that is connected to feast days that do not even fall on the 7th Day of the week?
3. Did you know the annual Sabbaths ("High Sabbath days") can fall on any day of the week so are not the same as the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day weekly Sabbath of God’s commandments? Answers 1- 3

“Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31)

What is the "high-day Sabbath" mentioned in this verse? Is it the same as a weekly Sabbath? The answer is no. A high day is technically an annual holy day, or annual Sabbath, as commanded in Leviticus 23. Certainly, the weekly Sabbath is a day to keep holy, but these annual holy days take precedence if they occur on the seventh-day Sabbath.

There are 7 annual Sabbaths (High days): connected to feasts in the laws of Moses. The first and seventh days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah in Hebrew), Atonement (Yom Kippur), the first day of Tabernacles (Succoth), and the Last Great Day. The first three occur in the spring, and the last four in the fall. Thus, the high day of which John 19:31 was speaking was one of the three spring holy days, and since Jesus crucifixion took place on the day of Passover (Nisan 14 on the Hebrew calendar), the high day of which he speaks was the first day of Unleavened Bread, which falls the day after the Passover (Nisan 15).

These are ceremonial Sabbaths connected to Feast Days. These annual feast day Sabbaths are described in Leviticus 23 and also in other parts of Deuteronomy and are not the normal weekly 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath as they can occur on any day of the week. They are different from the weekly 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath as they begin on the New Moon and can start on any day of the week. These annual or “High” Sabbath days in many of these festival feast or Holy days start at the first sign of the full moon at certain times of the year. The beginning and the end of these festivals are the “High days” or annual Sabbaths in the laws of Moses. No work was to be conducted but in some cases lessor amounts of work were to be done as described in Lev 23. Also, point of interest these “High days” or annual ceremonial Sabbaths connected to these feasts or Holy days can start at any day of the week the New Moon falls on. These Feast days or Holy days included Meat (food), Drink and burnt offering which started on New Moons at certain times of the year (Lev 23:36-37; 39;24).

These “High days” or Full Moon festival Sabbaths are no longer kept today as well as the meat and drink offerings and holy days as they are parts of the ceremonial laws of Moses that were pointing to Jesus and nailed to the cross with our sins (Old covenant) Col 2:14. These annual Sabbaths (high days) connected to feast days from the laws of Moses were shadows of things to come Col 2:14-16 (more information read Lev 23 also wiki). I can walk you through Lev 23 if you need help. Funny how Lev 23 and Ezekiel 46:3-7 describe exactly what Col chapter 2 is talking about.... Here is a short example of what Col 2 is talking about here;

"And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten." (Eze 45:17-21 see also Eze 46:3-7) These are the annual Sabbaths that were connected to feast days that are no longer required because they were done away when Jesus died; New Moons, Meat and Drink, Holy day and Sabbath day(s) (Col 2:16-17). These are not the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day weekly Sabbath of God’s Law.

Grace777x70 · Jul 12, 2017

Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?

2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.

3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.

4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).

5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).

6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?

7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.

8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?

9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.

10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).

11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).

12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.

13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?

14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?

15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?

16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?

17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/

Grace777x70 · Jul 12, 2017

We can't be left hanging here about what or rather Who is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ.

What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law.

What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection?

What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?

Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)

What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:

It is not the law of Moses. As we saw in the last post, if God wrote the Ten Commandments on our hearts then Jesus died for nothing.

It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.

It is not the knowledge of right and wrong that was bestowed upon us – against the Lord’s wishes – by Adam.

So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?

It is Christ Himself.

Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.

1. The law of love

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)

Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”

But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.

How does it happen?

God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)

God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?

Under the old, the law was a rule for weak men to obey. Under the new, the Law is the Spirit of Christ given to us, loving us, and loving others through us.

Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment. But under the new, you love because a Lover lives in you and it is his nature to love.

Under the old, you had to make an effort to obey. But under the new you have to make an effort to disobey. It’s a whole new way of life.

2. The law of the Spirit of life

It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:

What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)

Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:

Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)

Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)

Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.

3. The perfect law of liberty

James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6).

What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.

The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.

But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)

Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals His righteousness.

“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.

Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.

The Law written in our hearts is Jesus

Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).

The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus Himself.

How do you know He’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.

Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...on-our-hearts/

LoveGodForever · Jul 12, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

You believe your interpretation of God’s Word is correct please show me a bible verse that says;

Jesus is our Sabbath?

That says the Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

And if you cant answer the above questions and show me the scriptures from God's Word; Why don't you believe God? Something I hope you can pray about for your own sake.

LoveGodForever · Jul 12, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

PS. Cutting and pasting the same doctrines of man over the Word of God over and over does not make them correct. It is vain to worship God if your teaching the traditions or men. Take your time and show me you know the Word of God and answer the questions I sent you.

Grace777x70 · Jul 12, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

These have been answered by many but you refuse to believe them and that is your choice.

I am not wasting my time with you in this endless religious merry-go-round.

The posts about the 10 commandments and the truth that Christ Himself is what is written on our hearts is not for your sake as you have chosen your way - it's for the readers so that they don't get sucked into any Judaizing attempts.

You are free to believe whatever you want. You are free to believe that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation too.

You can keep on exchanging Christ Himself for your Sabbath keeping and telling Christians that they are dis-obeying God and sinning by not following the Sabbath as outlined in the Old testament but all the Old Testament was a mere shadow of the real thing - Christ Himself is our true Sabbath rest. Heb. 4:9-10 and Col.2 :16-17

There will be those that will stand against this Judaizing spirit that says that Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God by not following the Old Testament way of the Sabbath keeping.

Nor will they be swayed by nor fall for the spiritual manipulation and the work of the flesh of witchcraft by trying to tell Christians that know and believe the truth of Christ Himself - that they don't love Jesus or believe the word of God because they don't agree with your Judaizing and perverting of the gospel of Christ.

As I have said over 20x times - people are free to observe the Sabbath however they choose but when one comes to say that Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't follow the Sabbath as in the Old Testament - these run away from and are in fact Judaizers.

I leave it in the hands of the Holy Spirit. He will be faithful to reveal the reality of Christ's finished work.

Titus 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

LoveGodForever · Jul 12, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Really? Show me where those questions I sent you have been answered already. Its because you cant answer those questions and because there is not one verse in the Bible that answers those questions and therefore exposes your interpretation of God's Word.

Do you notice I do not have any problems with the scriptures you send me? This is because the Old Testament bares witness to the New and are in harmony with each other. God's Word does not contradict itself only mans interpretation of it.

All I ask of anyone is if you really want to follow Jesus, ask God to teach you and study His Word for yourself and be like the faithful Bereans.

Ok good night

Muzungu256 · Jul 12, 2017

loool here you are acting all holy and in the other thread u admitted to smoking

this flexing didnt go too good.....
you quote nothing defiles man that goes into the mouth but i betcha if i was doing something u didnt like u would be ready to rebuke me in all types of ways......... how far do people take this nothing defiles me stuff soon errbody going crazy on flakka????come on bro just admit ur a vile rat like me..........

beta · Jul 12, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Friend - there were people in the OT who REFUSED to hear God Ex 20v19; Deut 5v22-27; and there are people in the NT who also REFUSE to hear God or anyone speaking the Word of God and will not repent. They are best left to the Lord !

The TRUE grace of God isn't what most people think!

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