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Opps. You seem to have a group consensus here. Trouble is, I do not answer to any of
you so it is all a bit pointless. And secondly if you know the meaning of farce, this is it.
Turning on the light is simple. Doctrinally I have answered all the issues in a few posts.
So everything else is just personal. And if EG wants to play silent, that is fine by me.
I am only interested in one thing, following Jesus. If anyone can help me do this amen,
if they get in the way, I will just walk around. Now any child can cause a trantrum, but
I do wonder when people as so slow to learn different personalities and how they express
themselves. Some will for the rest of their life go through various patterns, it is who they
are and how they process life. We spiritualise it, like I over analyse and will jump to
conclusions as a path to truth, test them out and see how it goes.
Now if you cannot cope with this, then do not interact. Some will come in and want to hug
everyone, others remain silent, some be master of the room etc. cc tests how far our love
will stretch. For some obviously not that far, before twang. God bless you.
you so it is all a bit pointless. And secondly if you know the meaning of farce, this is it.
Turning on the light is simple. Doctrinally I have answered all the issues in a few posts.
So everything else is just personal. And if EG wants to play silent, that is fine by me.
I am only interested in one thing, following Jesus. If anyone can help me do this amen,
if they get in the way, I will just walk around. Now any child can cause a trantrum, but
I do wonder when people as so slow to learn different personalities and how they express
themselves. Some will for the rest of their life go through various patterns, it is who they
are and how they process life. We spiritualise it, like I over analyse and will jump to
conclusions as a path to truth, test them out and see how it goes.
Now if you cannot cope with this, then do not interact. Some will come in and want to hug
everyone, others remain silent, some be master of the room etc. cc tests how far our love
will stretch. For some obviously not that far, before twang. God bless you.
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I have spit spit it out so many times I have lost count, all you do is ignore it, blame shift, for r deny it.
i got got an idea, I will open a new thread, and every time you and one of your buddies states a slanderous thing about what you THINK someone else believes that has already been hashed out, I will copy it t that thread, that way we do not have to wonder what the ins are, we will always be able to go see it.
what do you think?
EG - I think this might help you see that you read in things that are not intended or you see
differently than others.
I remember you trying to do something similar and it was not obvious. I have also suffered
the same problem, reading too much into something for instance the term "beetle juice" and
got it wrong though it gave an opportunity to share about horror movies.
Objectives are also important. Are you actually going to do something or is it just another
threat to justify innocence and victimhood. I would love to see your list of incidents, so please
do document this, it might actually help you, because you are a blessed brother with great
tenacity. And to be honest I do not read everything or know all the interactions, or is it a
role I have, lol.
The police do recommend if you are harressed to make a list, so, please do for your own
peace of mind, it will help you sleep at night, because such notions can lead to ptsd.
differently than others.
I remember you trying to do something similar and it was not obvious. I have also suffered
the same problem, reading too much into something for instance the term "beetle juice" and
got it wrong though it gave an opportunity to share about horror movies.
Objectives are also important. Are you actually going to do something or is it just another
threat to justify innocence and victimhood. I would love to see your list of incidents, so please
do document this, it might actually help you, because you are a blessed brother with great
tenacity. And to be honest I do not read everything or know all the interactions, or is it a
role I have, lol.
The police do recommend if you are harressed to make a list, so, please do for your own
peace of mind, it will help you sleep at night, because such notions can lead to ptsd.
Some people love sinning and boasting about it, like a badge of honour. No shame.
Legalist they shout, hypocrite, you dilute the law down so your sin is acceptable.
Christ is a free gift, where we are saved as long as we believe. All the murders, rapes,
thefts we do not need to work through or confess, just agree with God it was bad, and
rejoice we are forgiven. I mean we could do it all again, no problems and still know we
are forgiven, stride boldly up to God knowing we are the chosen.
But hey those righteous hypocrites who believe walking in Jesus ways is Gods will are
going to Hell, because they are earning salvation by obedience. Fools, blind sinners,
they are not clothed in Jesus's righteousness like us. Oddly satan gets to me about
my sin I cannot throw off, but I know I am safe, no need to sort it out, just look to
Jesus for His victory for me.
Jesus came to show His way of walking, His heart, to become one with Him in everything.
Now His heart is love would drive us in all we do, because God is love.
The gate is difficult to find and the way narrow. The price of entry is your life and the way
you live in the world needs to go, and the way of the Spirit come to life.
Listen to Jesus and let Him guide you.
Legalist they shout, hypocrite, you dilute the law down so your sin is acceptable.
Christ is a free gift, where we are saved as long as we believe. All the murders, rapes,
thefts we do not need to work through or confess, just agree with God it was bad, and
rejoice we are forgiven. I mean we could do it all again, no problems and still know we
are forgiven, stride boldly up to God knowing we are the chosen.
But hey those righteous hypocrites who believe walking in Jesus ways is Gods will are
going to Hell, because they are earning salvation by obedience. Fools, blind sinners,
they are not clothed in Jesus's righteousness like us. Oddly satan gets to me about
my sin I cannot throw off, but I know I am safe, no need to sort it out, just look to
Jesus for His victory for me.
Jesus came to show His way of walking, His heart, to become one with Him in everything.
Now His heart is love would drive us in all we do, because God is love.
The gate is difficult to find and the way narrow. The price of entry is your life and the way
you live in the world needs to go, and the way of the Spirit come to life.
Listen to Jesus and let Him guide you.
Ignored realities.
Sin is defined by the law to tell sinners they sin. If you take the law away you lose the
mirror. Sin does not disappear but condemnation does.
We are called to live Holy, pure lives, in love, but the sinners who carry the name of
Christ want to steal it away, because they cannot walk in the Spirit but do not know
why. It is just too hard for them to repent, confess and believe, they want to storm
heaven in anger and violence, because how dare the self righteous judge them.
The father of lies works everywhere, just listen to Jesus and walk in His ways.
Sin is defined by the law to tell sinners they sin. If you take the law away you lose the
mirror. Sin does not disappear but condemnation does.
We are called to live Holy, pure lives, in love, but the sinners who carry the name of
Christ want to steal it away, because they cannot walk in the Spirit but do not know
why. It is just too hard for them to repent, confess and believe, they want to storm
heaven in anger and violence, because how dare the self righteous judge them.
The father of lies works everywhere, just listen to Jesus and walk in His ways.
Reminds me of your post#1615 where you said that post #1614 has no bearing on this thread when apparently all there is on that post were verses you refuse to accept or you obviously reject. Now here you are looking for a verse in someones opinion and even calling it accusations.
Another funny thing is that when you keep quoting ..."the foolishness of "PREACHING" TO SAVE THOSE WHO BELIEVE." and then argue that "FAITH ALONE SAVES".
The bible clearly states that believing in the one that the Father has sent is a WORK.(john 6:28-29) And how can anyone believe without HEARING, and how can he hear without someone PREACHING TO HIM thus FAITH COMES FROM HEARING.(rom 10: 8-17)These only prove that FAITH AND ACTIONS WORK TOGETHER UNTO SALVATION(james 2:14-26) for it is God who works IN & THROUGH a believer who is IN Christ(body/church)(1cor12:6-11, rom 12:6-8, eph 4:11-16)
We are the fellow workers of God,(1cor 3:9, mat 9:37-38) the good and faithful servants worthy to dine with our Master(mat 25:21, luke 17:7-10)
Can faith without works save you?(james2:14-26)
Can faith without love save you?(1cor13:2, 1john5:2-3)
Can faith without hope save you?(rom8:24,heb11:1)
Can faith without God's grace & mercy save you?(eph2:8-9, titus3:5)
Are the mentally retarded/sick, little children who died young without knowing what faith is, not saved?
Will you be saved without forgiveness, obedience, repentance, confession that Jesus is Lord,humility, etc.?(mat6:14-15, rom6:16, 2john1:6, rom10:9, 2cor7:10, 1pet5:5)
Almost a year passed but you still insist on doctrines which are not in the bible but are clearly man-made doctrines and you only cause division in the church.
I urge you to stop this deception and repent. I ask for forgiveness to whoever i may have done wrong as i forgive those who sinned against me. May God forgive us of our sins.
Ephesians 4:13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Another funny thing is that when you keep quoting ..."the foolishness of "PREACHING" TO SAVE THOSE WHO BELIEVE." and then argue that "FAITH ALONE SAVES".
The bible clearly states that believing in the one that the Father has sent is a WORK.(john 6:28-29) And how can anyone believe without HEARING, and how can he hear without someone PREACHING TO HIM thus FAITH COMES FROM HEARING.(rom 10: 8-17)These only prove that FAITH AND ACTIONS WORK TOGETHER UNTO SALVATION(james 2:14-26) for it is God who works IN & THROUGH a believer who is IN Christ(body/church)(1cor12:6-11, rom 12:6-8, eph 4:11-16)
We are the fellow workers of God,(1cor 3:9, mat 9:37-38) the good and faithful servants worthy to dine with our Master(mat 25:21, luke 17:7-10)
Can faith without works save you?(james2:14-26)
Can faith without love save you?(1cor13:2, 1john5:2-3)
Can faith without hope save you?(rom8:24,heb11:1)
Can faith without God's grace & mercy save you?(eph2:8-9, titus3:5)
Are the mentally retarded/sick, little children who died young without knowing what faith is, not saved?
Will you be saved without forgiveness, obedience, repentance, confession that Jesus is Lord,humility, etc.?(mat6:14-15, rom6:16, 2john1:6, rom10:9, 2cor7:10, 1pet5:5)
Almost a year passed but you still insist on doctrines which are not in the bible but are clearly man-made doctrines and you only cause division in the church.
I urge you to stop this deception and repent. I ask for forgiveness to whoever i may have done wrong as i forgive those who sinned against me. May God forgive us of our sins.
Ephesians 4:13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine.....
The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
1 tim 1:3-5
I am struck by this one verse, Paul talking to Timothy.
Go and deal with the people who are preaching error.
I am speaking from a pure heart, a good conscience and a sincere faith, and it is aimed
to bring about the same.
But many, and I mean many, have never reached the place of believing they have a pure
heart, and a good conscience. But if one has not reached this place then everything will
be distorted and the emphasis wrong. Sin, unrepented of, unconfessed, not worked through
rots the soul, destroys the emotional responses which should bring life and love, and makes
everything so tough.
And this is all we are talking about. Listen to their hearts. You self righteous hypocrites you
cannot have achieved anything, because I have not. It is impossible.
It is not impossible if you humble yourself and admit guilt, admit you deserve all the bad stuff
in life that has happened because you are a sinner like everyone else, with no rights, no justification
no abilities. It is not our fault, we are lost in sin, it is our fate, we are the way we are, but now
a light has dawned, a hope, a new life to gain, a new promise to be fulfilled.
Will we work it through, and accept the way of new life, or still hang on to who we are?
The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
1 tim 1:3-5
I am struck by this one verse, Paul talking to Timothy.
Go and deal with the people who are preaching error.
I am speaking from a pure heart, a good conscience and a sincere faith, and it is aimed
to bring about the same.
But many, and I mean many, have never reached the place of believing they have a pure
heart, and a good conscience. But if one has not reached this place then everything will
be distorted and the emphasis wrong. Sin, unrepented of, unconfessed, not worked through
rots the soul, destroys the emotional responses which should bring life and love, and makes
everything so tough.
And this is all we are talking about. Listen to their hearts. You self righteous hypocrites you
cannot have achieved anything, because I have not. It is impossible.
It is not impossible if you humble yourself and admit guilt, admit you deserve all the bad stuff
in life that has happened because you are a sinner like everyone else, with no rights, no justification
no abilities. It is not our fault, we are lost in sin, it is our fate, we are the way we are, but now
a light has dawned, a hope, a new life to gain, a new promise to be fulfilled.
Will we work it through, and accept the way of new life, or still hang on to who we are?
1 Timothy 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
We have new hearts now as Christians - it's called the new creation in Christ. The inner man of the heart. Our hearts have been cleansed.
It's the renewing of our mind - the information and ways of finding life and meaning that is in our brains that needs to be renewed to the truth of who we are now in Christ so that we walk out who we already are in Christ. We need to be living from this new heart.
The "good conscience" is one that believes the gospel message that all your sins are forgiven and your sins are as far from you as the east is from the west. The "good conscience" is one that has had this happen. They believe that all sins are taken care of in Christ's work - this doesn't mean we will want to sin all we want. It does the complete opposite of what our humanistic religious minds think.
Hebrews 10:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
A "sincere faith" is total faith in Christ's work alone without "our works" mixed in "in order" to save ourselves. We live by Christ's finished work alone. That is a sincere faith.
All of these truths bring out the love of God that has been poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. Rom. 5:5
Living by faith in Christ's work alone will bring into manifestation His life in and through us and many will see the goodness and grace of our loving Father and Lord towards them.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
We have new hearts now as Christians - it's called the new creation in Christ. The inner man of the heart. Our hearts have been cleansed.
It's the renewing of our mind - the information and ways of finding life and meaning that is in our brains that needs to be renewed to the truth of who we are now in Christ so that we walk out who we already are in Christ. We need to be living from this new heart.
The "good conscience" is one that believes the gospel message that all your sins are forgiven and your sins are as far from you as the east is from the west. The "good conscience" is one that has had this happen. They believe that all sins are taken care of in Christ's work - this doesn't mean we will want to sin all we want. It does the complete opposite of what our humanistic religious minds think.
Hebrews 10:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
A "sincere faith" is total faith in Christ's work alone without "our works" mixed in "in order" to save ourselves. We live by Christ's finished work alone. That is a sincere faith.
All of these truths bring out the love of God that has been poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. Rom. 5:5
Living by faith in Christ's work alone will bring into manifestation His life in and through us and many will see the goodness and grace of our loving Father and Lord towards them.
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2Tim 3:1But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2For men will be
lovers of self, (self-righteous)
lovers of money, boastful, arrogant,
revilers,
disobedient to parents, ungrateful,
unholy,
3unloving,
irreconcilable,
malicious gossips, (verbally destructive on purpose)
without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
4treacherous,
reckless, conceited,
lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, (look at what they joke about)
5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power;
Avoid such men as these. (now we see why)
6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses,
7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I think we need to take a loooong look at this scripture.
lovers of self, (self-righteous)
lovers of money, boastful, arrogant,
revilers,
disobedient to parents, ungrateful,
unholy,
3unloving,
irreconcilable,
malicious gossips, (verbally destructive on purpose)
without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
4treacherous,
reckless, conceited,
lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, (look at what they joke about)
5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power;
Avoid such men as these. (now we see why)
6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses,
7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I think we need to take a loooong look at this scripture.
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He has great control over his tongue. 
But let's not lose the original point. There are two brothers here who do NOT have that control. It is painful to watch and painful that they won't hear us.
If in my defense of Grace7 and the way he is being treated, I lose control over my tongue, have I gained us anything? And I'm assuming we all want gains and growth in the Spirit. (I would be extremely surprised if G7 did not agree with me on this.)
But let's not lose the original point. There are two brothers here who do NOT have that control. It is painful to watch and painful that they won't hear us.
If in my defense of Grace7 and the way he is being treated, I lose control over my tongue, have I gained us anything? And I'm assuming we all want gains and growth in the Spirit. (I would be extremely surprised if G7 did not agree with me on this.
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Yes - you are correct - I do agree with you on this.
And - guess what today is?...
I love this one...lol
