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IN the Old Testament. Keeping the Sabbath was crucial. You were stoned to death if you broke it. It was said over and over and over and over again to "Keep the Sabbath". People were killed because they broke it. Anyone who has read the Old Testament can clearly and plainly see, how important it was to keep the Commandment "Keep the Sabbath Day Holy to the Lord" And because this was so important of a commandment Jesus told Christians to keep the Sabbath Day Holy how many times? NONE. really? Oh than it must have been instructed by the Apostles. So how many Apostles instructed us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath Day Holy? NONE. really? Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to keep the Sabbath.
There are many verses which plainly teach we are no longer under the Law, you know that right?
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and (ALSO) keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (NO is the answer, shall we continue to sin? NO, NO, NO)
This same logic would mean everyone should walk everywhere they go. Jesus and His Disicples walked everywhere they went, therefore we should do the same and follow their example. They never ate fast food either, should we now not eat at any restaurant? They wore sandals ONLY, should we also follow their example and ONLY wear sandals? But most importantly Jesus lived by ALL the Laws, Rules, Regulations, Statutes, and Ordinances of all of the OLD TESTAMENT else He would have committed sin. Which brings me to this: Jesus also did not commit any sins whatsoever, should YOU not use Him as your example and DO what He does? Or do you only say and teach that we should follow the example of Jesus when it fits into a particular topic? If then you are going to teach that we should keep the Sabbath because Jesus did, then you should also teach that we should not sin, because Jesus didn't sin either. Or are you going to pick and choose which things Jesus is an example for, and which ones He is not an example for?
DiscipleDave said You say that it was towards our neighbor. Let the Word of God stand True, and what men interpret to be in error. The man plainly asked what must I do to be saved. Jesus plainly answered "Keep the Commandments" Then the man asked Him, "WHICH" There is no mention whatsoever what you are implying, what you are interpreting. Let Scriptures be True, and interpretations of men corrupt.
According to Scriptures, Jesus replied this to the man, because the man plainly said "All those I have kept from my youth" NOTHING to do with his neighbors at all. Believe Scriptures, not what men teach.
Do you see here that YOU mention 10 commandments, then proceed to teach what they mean? You miss the point altogether. The man asked what must I do to be Saved. Jesus said "Keep the Commandments" The mans then says "WHICH?" Then Jesus plainly answered the man His question of WHICH commandments he should keep. You are missing the point altogether, in what i was saying, and now are bringing up what you have here to divert what the point actually was. Which point is. Jesus Did NOT say keeping the Sabbath was one of the commandments that man should keep to be SAVED, That is the whole point. NOT what the first 4 commandments are for, or the what the next 6 commandments are for.
Know you not that Jesus already knew that the man kept all the commandments that He was going to mention to answer the mans question? Yet Jesus listed specific commandments anyways, knowing that the man would say, he has kept them from his youth. You are still missing the point. The man asks Jesus what must I do to be Saved, Jesus says "Keep the Commandments" {Jesus knows that the man keeps ALL the commandments} The man replies "Which?" Jesus replies with specific LIST of commandments for the man to follow to be Saved. NOW Jesus already knows that the man keeps them all, Jesus could have just as easily listed the 10 commandments, and the man would have responded the same way "I have kept them from my youth" Jesus could have said "Keep All the commandments" knowing full well the man would say "I have kept them ALL from my youth" So then, which is my point, what did Jesus actually say as an answer to the mans question "Which commandments should he keep to be Saved" He gave a specific LIST of commandments for the man to keep, which DID NOT include the keeping of the Sabbath.
Exo_34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
THAT covenant is the OLD Covenant, NOT the New Covenant that we have under the Authority of Jesus Christ.
Old Covenant = 10 Commandments. Hope that is helpful.
DiscipleDave says You do error not knowing or understanding the Word of God. You say that i am in need to study the Word of God, when you do not even know what the Word of God says about keeping His Commandments.
Every verse that the Apostle John (which is the only one who teaches "Keep His Commandments") Does not say what you have just said above. You say "Keep ALL of God's Commandments" Jesus never taught that, the Apostles never taught that. That is what you teach and the Word of God does not teach that. The Word of God teaches us to "Keep His Commandments" And the Apostle John who is the one who teaches that over and over again, also plainly teaches us what His Commandments are. But since you do not understanding what "Keep His Commandments" actually means, Because apparently you have not did a study of the Entire Bible concerning what "Keep His Commandments" means. i will reveal to you what Scriptures PLAINLY teaches what His Commandments are:
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is His commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, AND 2) love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
There you have it. Scriptures PLAINLY AND CLEARLY tells us what His Commandments are, SO simple that even children can understand and grasp this TRUTH: But leave it to this generation to say and teach His Commandments are something other that what it says above like saying "His Commandments" are the 10 Commandments, altogether making the above verses void and moot. Believe Scriptures and what they plainly teach, NOT what men teach.
If you want to be helpful to me, then i would suggest using more Scriptures, and not things that come from your own thinking. Scriptures is TRUTH, what men believe, think, and teach can and usually is corrupted. Even if what i teach, (if it comes from me and my own thinking), can and usually is corrupted.
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You teach to keep the Sabbath.
Jesus did not teach anyone to keep it.
Disciples did not teach anyone to keep it.
New Testament does not teach anyone to continue to keep the Sabbath.
How are you not trying to put a burden upon the sheep of Jesus Christ?
Know you not what the Apostle told the Gentiles (new Christians)?
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Notice that even new Christians were NOT instructed to continue to keep the Sabbath. Matters of fact they were only told to abstain from meats offered to idols, abstain from blood, abstain from things strangles, abstain from fornication. NOPE, not one word for them to add the burden for them to keep the 4th commandment and keep the Sabbath.
Didn't the pharisees ADD to the Word of God? Did they ADD you must do this, you must do that, you should not do this, you should not do that, you must wash your hands, you must ________. All things NOT found in the Word of God for them to do? how is this generation any different, if they go about teaching "You must keep the Sabbath" Which thing Jesus nor any Apostle of God instructed us to keep. What? are you better then they? Should we obey you, when even Jesus nor any of His Apostle ever instructed Christians to keep the Sabbath? Who are you to say you must, or must not?
Wake up from your sleeping and open your eyes and ears to the TRUTH. Obey the Word of God, not what men teach.
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DiscipleDave.com
Jesus did not teach anyone to keep it.
Disciples did not teach anyone to keep it.
New Testament does not teach anyone to continue to keep the Sabbath.
How are you not trying to put a burden upon the sheep of Jesus Christ?
Know you not what the Apostle told the Gentiles (new Christians)?
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Notice that even new Christians were NOT instructed to continue to keep the Sabbath. Matters of fact they were only told to abstain from meats offered to idols, abstain from blood, abstain from things strangles, abstain from fornication. NOPE, not one word for them to add the burden for them to keep the 4th commandment and keep the Sabbath.
Didn't the pharisees ADD to the Word of God? Did they ADD you must do this, you must do that, you should not do this, you should not do that, you must wash your hands, you must ________. All things NOT found in the Word of God for them to do? how is this generation any different, if they go about teaching "You must keep the Sabbath" Which thing Jesus nor any Apostle of God instructed us to keep. What? are you better then they? Should we obey you, when even Jesus nor any of His Apostle ever instructed Christians to keep the Sabbath? Who are you to say you must, or must not?
Wake up from your sleeping and open your eyes and ears to the TRUTH. Obey the Word of God, not what men teach.
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DiscipleDave.com
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Do you reject or accept, that "His Commandments" are to Believe on Jesus and Love one another, EXACTLY like the Apostle John teaches us in the above verses? Or do you believe "Keep His Commandments" means the 10 Commandments CONTRARY to what the Apostle John just says above? Humility would be to accept HIS teaching, and not your own thinking on that matter.
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Do you reject or accept, that "His Commandments" are to Believe on Jesus and Love one another, EXACTLY like the Apostle John teaches us in the above verses? Or do you believe "Keep His Commandments" means the 10 Commandments CONTRARY to what the Apostle John just says above? Humility would be to accept HIS teaching, and not your own thinking on that matter.
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Jesus followed all the customs of the Jews.
Jesus followed all 600+ commandments of the Old Testament.
Jesus followed ALL the Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ordinances, and Statutes of the Old Testament.
Know you not that if Jesus did not obey the 10 Commandments, then sin would have been found in Him, and He would not have been a perfect sacrifice for US Christians.
Know you not that Jesus lived under the Law.
KNOW you not that Jesus obeyed the Laws of Moses Perfectly.
While Jesus lived, the New Covenant was not yet started.
The New Covenant started immediately after the first person saw Jesus alive after being raised from the dead. Know you not that to be a Christian you must believe that Jesus rose from the dead. The first TRUE Christian was the first person to see Jesus alive after being crucified. It was only at that moment that Christianity actually began.
Before the Resurrection of Christ, EVERYONE was under the Law of Moses, under the 10 Commandments. Have you ears but can't hear these things? Are you so blind to the TRUTH, that you can't comprehend the TRUTH when it is presented to you?
This entire post was not written to JohnTalmid, but to everyone.
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Jesus followed all 600+ commandments of the Old Testament.
Jesus followed ALL the Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ordinances, and Statutes of the Old Testament.
Know you not that if Jesus did not obey the 10 Commandments, then sin would have been found in Him, and He would not have been a perfect sacrifice for US Christians.
Know you not that Jesus lived under the Law.
KNOW you not that Jesus obeyed the Laws of Moses Perfectly.
While Jesus lived, the New Covenant was not yet started.
The New Covenant started immediately after the first person saw Jesus alive after being raised from the dead. Know you not that to be a Christian you must believe that Jesus rose from the dead. The first TRUE Christian was the first person to see Jesus alive after being crucified. It was only at that moment that Christianity actually began.
Before the Resurrection of Christ, EVERYONE was under the Law of Moses, under the 10 Commandments. Have you ears but can't hear these things? Are you so blind to the TRUTH, that you can't comprehend the TRUTH when it is presented to you?
This entire post was not written to JohnTalmid, but to everyone.
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DiscipleDave.com
Yes, God IS pleased with what I have said!
Anytime I can point out that the New Covenant is NOT about bondage to the law is time for celebration in heaven!
I also never said anything about new laws - that is your false impression - and proof you have no concept of the New Covenant!
I can see that you are wedded to your legalistic beliefs - to your eternal detriment.
My posts do help those who might be tempted to follow legalistic heresy...
Anytime I can point out that the New Covenant is NOT about bondage to the law is time for celebration in heaven!
I also never said anything about new laws - that is your false impression - and proof you have no concept of the New Covenant!
I can see that you are wedded to your legalistic beliefs - to your eternal detriment.
My posts do help those who might be tempted to follow legalistic heresy...
we all must learn to not fall - those who are the 'brides' of Christ...
you mustn't play along to long, or your song will be a dirge...
His call is always real, and our desire must be willing to hear and obey...
there has been such a bomb of 'hatred' lately,
have you all felt it? it seems much more intense and harmful in
a new-but old way..
it's very, very, grievous...Let's pray harder, saints...
you mustn't play along to long, or your song will be a dirge...
His call is always real, and our desire must be willing to hear and obey...
there has been such a bomb of 'hatred' lately,
have you all felt it? it seems much more intense and harmful in
a new-but old way..
it's very, very, grievous...Let's pray harder, saints...
The Sabath still stands, it was written in stone on mount Sinai, by god himself twice! The first time when they where broken and then the replacements! It is a day Sanctified made holy from creation. Isaiah speaks of it on chapter 56. Jesus practiced the sabath, so did all the apostles, and followers even after Jesus died. It will be observed in the new world and god calls all foreigners to come to it, it should be a delight. I truly beleive it is what revelation refers to as the devil fooled the whole world...
Another bit of misinformation!
The fact (and it is) that the Sabbath commandment (along with the other nine commandments) were recorded on stone does NOT change the fact that they were part (in fact the essence) of the Mosaic covenant.
This covenant is no longer in force for New Covenant believers - it is that simple!
The fact (and it is) that the Sabbath commandment (along with the other nine commandments) were recorded on stone does NOT change the fact that they were part (in fact the essence) of the Mosaic covenant.
This covenant is no longer in force for New Covenant believers - it is that simple!
Walking with Jesus from the time of His ministry is not teaching what men say and do but 'to do what HE teaches us spiritually.
You mention 'circumcision and carnal commandments which are contained in ordinances that would very soon be abolished on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14; and were never part of the 10 spiritual Commandments of GOD in any case, as OBVIOUS from Ex 20 and Deut 5, when GOD personally gave the 10 and ''added no more'...God giving all the 'works law through Moses.
It is evident that you put no difference between holy and unholy Lev 10v10 and thus abolish all. No point in further discussion as we speak from a different spirit !
You mention 'circumcision and carnal commandments which are contained in ordinances that would very soon be abolished on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14; and were never part of the 10 spiritual Commandments of GOD in any case, as OBVIOUS from Ex 20 and Deut 5, when GOD personally gave the 10 and ''added no more'...God giving all the 'works law through Moses.
It is evident that you put no difference between holy and unholy Lev 10v10 and thus abolish all. No point in further discussion as we speak from a different spirit !
Sure if you want to stay with 'believing only that is your choice....
'the demons also believe - and where is that going to get them ?
We have to become 'Doers of the Word and not hearers only deceiving ourselves (as if hearing and believing is enough).
It is high time to awake from sleep and move up and away from that level of beginning !
'the demons also believe - and where is that going to get them ?
We have to become 'Doers of the Word and not hearers only deceiving ourselves (as if hearing and believing is enough).
It is high time to awake from sleep and move up and away from that level of beginning !
Yes JESUS kept ALL commandments and all the customs of the Jews but things were changing dramatically from the time He started His ministry Joh 7v1.
He focused entirely on pleasing His Father and observing the Sabbath to keep it holy was never an issue with Him....why would it be to any of His TRUE disciples ?
and you making His Commandments a 'burden are speaking against scripture that says otherwise 1Joh 5v3.
He focused entirely on pleasing His Father and observing the Sabbath to keep it holy was never an issue with Him....why would it be to any of His TRUE disciples ?
and you making His Commandments a 'burden are speaking against scripture that says otherwise 1Joh 5v3.
The first person to see Jesus was AFTER He had been resurrected and that is what christianity is built on - Fact and not Faith ! Is something you see of FAITH ?
what did Jesus say to Thomas ? 'because you have seen you believe'....then WHO are the BLESSED who believe and have not seen ? THOSE are they of FAITH.
what did Jesus say to Thomas ? 'because you have seen you believe'....then WHO are the BLESSED who believe and have not seen ? THOSE are they of FAITH.
You know what is hard is this, I read what people like Grandpa writes on here and I can see very clearly that he does not get my position. Maybe he sees the same thing when He sees what I write.
I most clearly do not agree with Grandpa on this issue. However that being said, I do not have reason to believe he is being deliberately dishonest. At this point in time I only see a man who loves God and desires to free me from bondage. While I don't believe I am in bondage, I can accept the good will he has towards me.
Do I think he is wrong? Yes of course I do. But My understanding of God allows me to believe that being wrong does not automatically disqualify you from heaven. It is not so much what you know but rather being honest in heart towards God. We are all on a journey and I would hate to think that one could lose salvation based simply on getting everything right in time. Rather God reads the heart and accepts the true in heart.
That means I might have to be corrected on some things when I get to heaven, so might you but that will be ok, because your heart is open to correction.
You might say, well is there no standard? Yes the standard is faith in God to save. The thief on the cross did not know everything surely but salvation was his in Christ. Martian Luther started some good stuff for God but I am sure he had much to learn and error to unlearn when he died. but he gave himself to the work of God and I hope to meet him in heaven.
I am not saying we should not teach truth or not obey God. I myself believe wholeheartedly that the Sabbath day still matters. and that God's people should keep it even today. I believe Isaiah that we will keep it even in heaven.
I believe anyone who knows that it still matters in scripture and does not keep it will be lost. But I don't see people like Grandpa in that boat so to speak. Many have been taught in such ways that they truly can not see what is so plain to some of us.
I can only hope and pray for them the same thing i hope an pray for myself. That I will be honest enough when I approach scripture that one day If I am in error I will see it by the Spirit of God.
I do not know who will be saved in the end, that is Gods position to judge that. I will continue to teach obedience to the law of God. At least the parts that are not shadows. Because I can see their importance.
But I will not judge my brethren who love the Lord. I have in the past and I am sorry for my ignorance in that. And if they are dishonest then God will be their judge. As for me I will continue to obey the Lord as I am convicted by the Word of God.
Blessings.
I most clearly do not agree with Grandpa on this issue. However that being said, I do not have reason to believe he is being deliberately dishonest. At this point in time I only see a man who loves God and desires to free me from bondage. While I don't believe I am in bondage, I can accept the good will he has towards me.
Do I think he is wrong? Yes of course I do. But My understanding of God allows me to believe that being wrong does not automatically disqualify you from heaven. It is not so much what you know but rather being honest in heart towards God. We are all on a journey and I would hate to think that one could lose salvation based simply on getting everything right in time. Rather God reads the heart and accepts the true in heart.
That means I might have to be corrected on some things when I get to heaven, so might you but that will be ok, because your heart is open to correction.
You might say, well is there no standard? Yes the standard is faith in God to save. The thief on the cross did not know everything surely but salvation was his in Christ. Martian Luther started some good stuff for God but I am sure he had much to learn and error to unlearn when he died. but he gave himself to the work of God and I hope to meet him in heaven.
I am not saying we should not teach truth or not obey God. I myself believe wholeheartedly that the Sabbath day still matters. and that God's people should keep it even today. I believe Isaiah that we will keep it even in heaven.
I believe anyone who knows that it still matters in scripture and does not keep it will be lost. But I don't see people like Grandpa in that boat so to speak. Many have been taught in such ways that they truly can not see what is so plain to some of us.
I can only hope and pray for them the same thing i hope an pray for myself. That I will be honest enough when I approach scripture that one day If I am in error I will see it by the Spirit of God.
I do not know who will be saved in the end, that is Gods position to judge that. I will continue to teach obedience to the law of God. At least the parts that are not shadows. Because I can see their importance.
But I will not judge my brethren who love the Lord. I have in the past and I am sorry for my ignorance in that. And if they are dishonest then God will be their judge. As for me I will continue to obey the Lord as I am convicted by the Word of God.
Blessings.
Hello DiscipleDave,
Welcome back my friend. Let’s have a look at what you’re saying. Yes you are correct, In the Old covenant and Old Testament scriptures they took the Law of God (10 commandments) very seriously. If someone was caught openly breaking any of God’s commandments there was a death penalty. Gods 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Commandments (Ex 20:8-11) they were indeed stoned to death. This was part of the civil laws of Moses and similar punishments where given to other commandments of God that were openly broken. For example; Not honouring your mother and farther (Lev 20:9), Blaspheming or using God’s name in vain (Lev 24:10-17), Idolatry ((Deut 27:15; Deut 7:25-26), serving other God (Deut 13:6-18; 1Sam 26:19), coveting and adultery (2Pet 2:14; John 8:5)), most evil towards your neighbour ((Deut 27:15-26) and yes as the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is one of God’s 10 commandments it was also included and if it was openly broken just like adultery (John 8:5) people were put to death. Breaking God’s Law (10 commandments) is sin (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Nothing has changed and this is also recorded in the New Testament scriptures as well, although we are no longer under the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws of Moses.
That is a little of the background. Now as to your other questions. So you can imagine that over the many generations of God’s people, from the time of Moses to the time of Jesus, having all of God’s Laws (God’s Law and the laws of Moses), you would imagine that God’s people would by now have understood the importance of ALL of God’s Laws (10 commandments) don’t you think? Especially with all the death penalties involved for openly breaking God’s Laws? Can you imagine how many people over the generations would have been openly put to death because they openly broke God’s Laws? So I am wondering why you would think Jesus needed to teach people about the Sabbath all over again when it was already clearly taught to God’s people and they had already been practicing them over many generations since Moses? God’s people were already keeping God’s Sabbath and His Laws and had by this time known about God’s Laws for many generations (although not the way Jesus wanted them to know them). It would make no sense for Jesus to teach anyone about God’s Laws when His people already know them would it?
This being said and continuing on. You were also NOT correct in suggesting that Jesus did not instruct people in regards to keeping the Sabbath. He taught everyone how to keep the Sabbath as God commanded it to be kept and that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9; Matt 12:1-5; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 1:21; 2:23-24; 3:2-4; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 6:1-9; 13:10; 13:14-16; Luke 14:1-5; 23:54; John 5:9; 16; 7-22-23; John 19:31). Jesus also taught us that the Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27) and that he was the creator and Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is the Lord’s Day the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment of God (Ex 20:8-11 and if you break it you break God’s Law this is how it has always been. This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. (Ps 118:24). Jesus is our example and we should follow Him (1Pet 2:21-22). Now I can show you the scriptures with the apostles also keeping God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath after the death of Jesus if you like but I am sure you know some of these scriptures (e.g. Acts 13:14; 27; 42-44; 15:21; 17:2; 18:4). Well I hope this is enough scripture for you. Now that I have answered your questions and post, I hope you can answer my questions from God’s Word.
Please show me a single bible verse that says;
The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?
Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?
Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?
That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?
That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?
Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?
That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?
From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?
Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?
That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?
That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?
Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?
Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?
Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?
That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?
That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?
That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?
Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?
Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?
Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?
Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?
Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?
I hope these scriptures and questions are helpful to you and bring you closer to Jesus.
God bless
Welcome back my friend. Let’s have a look at what you’re saying. Yes you are correct, In the Old covenant and Old Testament scriptures they took the Law of God (10 commandments) very seriously. If someone was caught openly breaking any of God’s commandments there was a death penalty. Gods 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Commandments (Ex 20:8-11) they were indeed stoned to death. This was part of the civil laws of Moses and similar punishments where given to other commandments of God that were openly broken. For example; Not honouring your mother and farther (Lev 20:9), Blaspheming or using God’s name in vain (Lev 24:10-17), Idolatry ((Deut 27:15; Deut 7:25-26), serving other God (Deut 13:6-18; 1Sam 26:19), coveting and adultery (2Pet 2:14; John 8:5)), most evil towards your neighbour ((Deut 27:15-26) and yes as the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is one of God’s 10 commandments it was also included and if it was openly broken just like adultery (John 8:5) people were put to death. Breaking God’s Law (10 commandments) is sin (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Nothing has changed and this is also recorded in the New Testament scriptures as well, although we are no longer under the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws of Moses.
That is a little of the background. Now as to your other questions. So you can imagine that over the many generations of God’s people, from the time of Moses to the time of Jesus, having all of God’s Laws (God’s Law and the laws of Moses), you would imagine that God’s people would by now have understood the importance of ALL of God’s Laws (10 commandments) don’t you think? Especially with all the death penalties involved for openly breaking God’s Laws? Can you imagine how many people over the generations would have been openly put to death because they openly broke God’s Laws? So I am wondering why you would think Jesus needed to teach people about the Sabbath all over again when it was already clearly taught to God’s people and they had already been practicing them over many generations since Moses? God’s people were already keeping God’s Sabbath and His Laws and had by this time known about God’s Laws for many generations (although not the way Jesus wanted them to know them). It would make no sense for Jesus to teach anyone about God’s Laws when His people already know them would it?
This being said and continuing on. You were also NOT correct in suggesting that Jesus did not instruct people in regards to keeping the Sabbath. He taught everyone how to keep the Sabbath as God commanded it to be kept and that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9; Matt 12:1-5; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 1:21; 2:23-24; 3:2-4; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 6:1-9; 13:10; 13:14-16; Luke 14:1-5; 23:54; John 5:9; 16; 7-22-23; John 19:31). Jesus also taught us that the Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27) and that he was the creator and Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is the Lord’s Day the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment of God (Ex 20:8-11 and if you break it you break God’s Law this is how it has always been. This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. (Ps 118:24). Jesus is our example and we should follow Him (1Pet 2:21-22). Now I can show you the scriptures with the apostles also keeping God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath after the death of Jesus if you like but I am sure you know some of these scriptures (e.g. Acts 13:14; 27; 42-44; 15:21; 17:2; 18:4). Well I hope this is enough scripture for you. Now that I have answered your questions and post, I hope you can answer my questions from God’s Word.
Please show me a single bible verse that says;
The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?
Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?
Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?
That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?
That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?
Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?
That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?
From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?
Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?
That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?
That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?
Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?
Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?
Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?
That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?
That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?
That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?
Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?
Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?
Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?
Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?
Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?
I hope these scriptures and questions are helpful to you and bring you closer to Jesus.
God bless
David, do you know the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments forever Law that is the foundation of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement) and the laws of Moses (civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws; done away at the cross)? It seems you have them mixed up together. God always kept them separated and there was a reason for this. God’s Law is the work of God and is forever. While many of the laws of Moses were shadows and fulfilled when Jesus came (God’s Law was placed inside the Ark of the Covenant while the law of Moses was placed beside the Ark; Deut 10:5; Deut 31:25).
If you would like more scripture on the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses please there are many, please read the posts from the links provided below;
The difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)
The difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)
Hope this is helpful.
God bless you.
If you would like more scripture on the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses please there are many, please read the posts from the links provided below;
The difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)
The difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)
Hope this is helpful.
God bless you.
If your saying that we are not under the works of the Law for Salvation; Absolutely! Salvation is a Gift of God through Faith in the wonderful promises of God’s Word. There is nothing that we can do to earn it all our righteousness is as filthy rags (Gal 3:10; etc)
There is a big difference however between someone trying to earn salvation through what they do through the works of the Law and the biblical meaning of being “Under the Law” So what does it actually mean to be “Under the Law” and what does God’s Word say?
Rom 2:12-13
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." (Rom 2:12-13)
Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15
What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
To be “Under the Law” means to be convicted of sin, to be guilty before God as a sinner. The sinner is under the Law because he has broken the Law and is guilty of breaking the God’s Law. As for the other verses you quote above they are talking about the laws of Moses and circumcision nailed to the cross as circumcision is referring to the New Covenant of circumcision of the heart (Rom 2:28-29).
You say “this is PROOF, that the Disciple NEVER taught for us to continue to keep the LAW.” Well this is NOT proof at all. On the contrary it is proof that the Disciple is teaching that God does not want us to SIN.
Sin is the transgression of God’s Law (10 commandments) you say that we should not sin (break God’s Law) in your comment of Rom 6:14. Then why do you break God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment? (Ex 20:8-11). Hope this is helpful.
God bless you.
There is a big difference however between someone trying to earn salvation through what they do through the works of the Law and the biblical meaning of being “Under the Law” So what does it actually mean to be “Under the Law” and what does God’s Word say?
Rom 2:12-13
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." (Rom 2:12-13)
Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15
What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
To be “Under the Law” means to be convicted of sin, to be guilty before God as a sinner. The sinner is under the Law because he has broken the Law and is guilty of breaking the God’s Law. As for the other verses you quote above they are talking about the laws of Moses and circumcision nailed to the cross as circumcision is referring to the New Covenant of circumcision of the heart (Rom 2:28-29).
You say “this is PROOF, that the Disciple NEVER taught for us to continue to keep the LAW.” Well this is NOT proof at all. On the contrary it is proof that the Disciple is teaching that God does not want us to SIN.
Sin is the transgression of God’s Law (10 commandments) you say that we should not sin (break God’s Law) in your comment of Rom 6:14. Then why do you break God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment? (Ex 20:8-11). Hope this is helpful.
God bless you.