BAPTISM --- TWICE ??

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FranC said:
Jesus was baptized one time.
By John the Baptist in the River Jordan when He was about 30 years old.

When Jesus was a baby, He was presented at the temple, to the LORD. (God Father).
According to the Law of Moses.
Jesus was the first born.
Numbers 3:13

It's what we would call today, dedicating the baby to God.
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Circumcised the 8th day......of the seed and stock of Abraham....
 
john 3-5

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



if you are not baptized in water....

can you not make it into the kingdom of God?
 
NoNameMcgee said:
john 3-5

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God


if you are not baptized in water....

can you not make it into the kingdom of God?
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We are born of water when we are 1st born as we live in water before that..just sayin.
 
NoNameMcgee said:
john 3-5

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

if you are not baptized in water....

can you not make it into the kingdom of God?
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Jesus said "born of water and the Spirit" not born of baptism and the Spirit. In John 4:10,14; 7:37-39, Jesus talks about "living water" and connects it with eternal life.
 
mailmandan said:
Jesus said "born of water and the Spirit" not born of baptism and the Spirit. In John 4:10,14; 7:37-39, Jesus talks about "living water" and connects it with eternal life.
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John the Baptist is recorded in every gospel affirming that One will come after him Who is greater than he is, baptizing with the Holy Spirit. Two gospels also add "and with fire." This is the required baptism that leads to eternal life: being born again of the Spirit of God :)
 
BeyondET said:
are there any verses that say babies are not to be baptized ? Surely Jesus did not teach that babies should not be baptized or did He?
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The modern church imputes far too much value to water baptism. The Jewish believers had many baptisms that were for ritual cleansing. Remember that Judaism taught covering for sin and washing of sin but never had complete remission for sin.

If one desires to dedicate their child to the Lord through water baptism or christening that is something they should pursue as long as they do not impute salvation to the ritual. Children are innocent before the Lord up to the age where they are able to know right from wrong.

Christian water baptism is for those who have already received salvation from the Lord through grace and by faith.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Magenta said:
John the Baptist is recorded in every gospel affirming that One will come after him Who is greater than he is, baptizing with the Holy Spirit. Two gospels also add "and with fire." This is the required baptism that leads to eternal life: being born again of the Spirit of God :)
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No wonder Jesus deciples were baptizing while Jesus was watching, baptizing with the Holy Spirit takes on a whole new meaning. lol
 
FranC said:
I was presented with a question that I'd never thought of before.

My Brother, a former Catholic (as am I) has been attending a non-denominational Church.

He decided, a few months ago, to switch and go to a Nazarene Church; which I happen to like.

The pastor there told my Brother, Frank, that he should be baptized again if he wanted to join the "community".


1. He was already baptized as a baby in the Catholic Church.

2. Is that not valid for a Protestant Church?

3 Why would he have to get baptized again?


My personal feeling is that baptism counts whenever a person is baptized.
Jesus' command in Mathew 28:19 is being followed even though a person is an infant.


Any thoughts?
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If you were fully conscious of what you were doing when you got baptized then maybe it is not necessary to be re-baptized.
 
hornetguy said:
I disagree with your premise... to be a Jew REQUIRED the physical act of circumcision. If it was not required, then why do it at all?

A Jewish man could stand and say all day long "I am a true Jew, because I follow God".... but if he had refused circumcision, he would NOT have been a Jew. It was HIS part of accepting the covenant.
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Well...it's completely fine to disagree! :)
Just understand that it's not my own premise you are disagreeing with - Paul is the one who said it. :)
 
FranC said:
I was presented with a question that I'd never thought of before.

My Brother, a former Catholic (as am I) has been attending a non-denominational Church.

He decided, a few months ago, to switch and go to a Nazarene Church; which I happen to like.

The pastor there told my Brother, Frank, that he should be baptized again if he wanted to join the "community".


1. He was already baptized as a baby in the Catholic Church.

2. Is that not valid for a Protestant Church?

3 Why would he have to get baptized again?


My personal feeling is that baptism counts whenever a person is baptized.
Jesus' command in Mathew 28:19 is being followed even though a person is an infant.


Any thoughts?
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I think one baptism is enough. Two is okay.
 
Marcelo said:
If you were fully conscious of what you were doing when you got baptized then maybe it is not necessary to be re-baptized.
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Is it the conscious of man that determines things or the Heart of a man?
 
NoNameMcgee said:
john 3-5

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



if you are not baptized in water....

can you not make it into the kingdom of God?
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John 3 is not speaking of baptism, It is talking about being born of the spirit (Spiritual water) vs being born of the flesh (physical water)
 
hornetguy said:
Baptism is a birth... how "perfect" does a baby have to be, in order to be born?
How "perfect" do we have to be, to be born again?
How "well" do we have to be, before we can get into the hospital?

I don't know your youth pastor, but his insistence on your perfection before he would "allow" you to be baptized is the epitome of "religion" over God. He should be ashamed, and with that attitude and belief system, should NOT be teaching anyone, much less young people...
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totally agree with you.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
John 3 is not speaking of baptism, It is talking about being born of the spirit (Spiritual water) vs being born of the flesh (physical water)
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In Jeremiah 2:13, we read that God Himself is called the "fountain of living water." For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living water, And hewn themselves cisterns--broken cisterns that can hold no water. In Isaiah 12:3 we read, "With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation."

*It's interesting that in John 4:10, Jesus mentions "living water" and in John 4:14, Jesus mentions "fountain of water" springing up into everlasting life. ;)
 
mailmandan said:
In Jeremiah 2:13, we read that God Himself is called the "fountain of living water." For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living water, And hewn themselves cisterns--broken cisterns that can hold no water. In Isaiah 12:3 we read, "With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation."

*It's interesting that in John 4:10, Jesus mentions "living water" and in John 4:14, Jesus mentions "fountain of water" springing up into everlasting life. ;)
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and do not forget in John 7, where jesus spoke of that living water, and reveals what it is.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. [SUP]38 [/SUP]He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” [SUP]39 [/SUP]But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believingin Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
 
Stunnedbygrace said:
Well...it's completely fine to disagree! :)
Just understand that it's not my own premise you are disagreeing with - Paul is the one who said it. :)
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But Paul was talking about spiritual things, comparing the physical circumcision of the Jew to our "spiritual circumcision" as Christians.. he was saying that just being circumcised qualified you to be "Jewish".... but that now, it takes a spiritual circumcision.... a marking of our hearts to be considered a "new Jew", or Christian. Just a physical act won't cut it.... that is also a very bad pun....:o

Paul was a Pharisee... he would have NEVER said that circumcision for Jews was only a mental/spiritual state of being....
 
hornetguy said:
But Paul was talking about spiritual things, comparing the physical circumcision of the Jew to our "spiritual circumcision" as Christians.. he was saying that just being circumcised qualified you to be "Jewish".... but that now, it takes a spiritual circumcision.... a marking of our hearts to be considered a "new :cool:Jew", or Christian. Just a physical act won't cut it.... that is also a very bad pun....:o

Paul was a Pharisee... he would have NEVER said that circumcision for Jews was only a mental/spiritual state of being....
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Thanks for that snippet:cool:

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