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AMEN..........and I agree.......reposting it for the sake of moving it up a notch.....
1. Faith void of anything eternally saves, justifies, seals and sanctifies in Christ positionally
2. Any work, fruit is the result of Christ in us and through us as a living sacrifice
3. Any work or fruit is the result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in Christ eternally
4. Every man's work will be judged by fire and rewarded accordingly
5. Faithful believers produce works of Gold, silver and precious stones
6. Believers who are not faithful will produce works of wood, hay and stubble yet will remain saved
7. There is NO prescribed amount of works that one can do or must do that will save other than BELIEVE on Jesus
8. There is NO prescribed amount of works that one can do or must do to prove salvation...1, 2, 3 or 50000 is irrelevant....only God can judge....and JESUS was clear....even a cup of cold water in the name of Jesus or a disciple will not go unnoticed and or unrewarded.....
9. It is the ROOT that produces...the root is JESUS......
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"Love your neighbor as yourself" (Levitucus 19:18) is, both, an old command AND a new command:
I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard. 8On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him...
1 John 2:7-8 NASB
...not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another.6And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
2 John 1:5-6 NASB
The command to "Love your neighbor as yourself" has always been in the law of Moses. So it's 'old' in that sense. But the revelation that this single command hidden away in a Leviticus passage about how to obey God is actually what the entire law is based on. It's not even in the Big Ten but it's the second greatest command, immediately following and inextricably linked to the command to "Love God".
It's an old command, but new in revelation. Jesus was not lying. John was not lying. It's both new and old.
I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard. 8On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him...
1 John 2:7-8 NASB
...not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another.6And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
2 John 1:5-6 NASB
The command to "Love your neighbor as yourself" has always been in the law of Moses. So it's 'old' in that sense. But the revelation that this single command hidden away in a Leviticus passage about how to obey God is actually what the entire law is based on. It's not even in the Big Ten but it's the second greatest command, immediately following and inextricably linked to the command to "Love God".
It's an old command, but new in revelation. Jesus was not lying. John was not lying. It's both new and old.
W
yes indeed,,,,,,in all four of the examples Jesus was received, but only in the good grounds of an honest heart having no guile did the word take root an produce fruit....Jesus asked in the gospel of Mark; if you do not know the parable of the sower how then will you understand any of the other parables?...How true, how true..The cares of this world choke the word, and as Paul said; be careful that you don't receive the grace of God in vain....be blessed
The law is for sinners,so that would mean that not under the law would be for people that are not committing sin,for they do not need a law if they hate sin,and do not want sin,led by the Spirit.If the law says thou shalt not steal,they are not stealing,so that law does not apply in their life,and if the law says do not covet thy neighbors possessions,they are not doing that,so that law could not apply in their life.
The law would not apply to people that are not breaking the law,for the law is for sinners,and not under the law is for people not sinning.
If a person that claims Christ is living in sin,the law applies to them,and they are under the law,for they cannot bypass the spiritual laws,when they are supposed to be spiritual,and that is what they must obey.
If the moral laws,and laws of love,are spiritual,how can we ignore them since we are to be spiritual.
The law is for sinners,and not under the law is for those not sinning.
The law would not apply to people that are not breaking the law,for the law is for sinners,and not under the law is for people not sinning.
If a person that claims Christ is living in sin,the law applies to them,and they are under the law,for they cannot bypass the spiritual laws,when they are supposed to be spiritual,and that is what they must obey.
If the moral laws,and laws of love,are spiritual,how can we ignore them since we are to be spiritual.
The law is for sinners,and not under the law is for those not sinning.
W
The ordnances were eradicated yes, but the moral law? no...Even the Gentiles who were a law unto themselves had the moral law of conscience grafted in them, Romans 2-14,15......I think I saw someone say that the law was expanded to something like 52 commandments of Jesus in the NT...One of the commandments is for all men everywhere to repent..be blessed
W
believe,trust,faith/obey are all synonymous...Faith is a work, trust is a work, obedience is a work...bible 101.....The free gift is forgiveness of past sins, AFTER one has come clean with God in repentance>>> (the preparation of the heart belongs to man, Psalms 16-1a)..and ye that endures to the end the same shall be saved (but the answer of the tongue is that of God, Psalms 16b)..........................be blessed
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That's why if these Hebrew believers departed from the sacrifice of Jesus they would lose their salvation. There's no more Jesus to pay for their sins if they go back to their old life of unbelief. They lose the one time sacrifice of Jesus if they do that. Grace does not follow the person who willfully returns to his old life of unbelief.
Look here, folks:
So we see, the ministry of Jesus must continue in heaven for us, and it does continue in heaven because he lives forever, and, therefore, his sacrifice never stops ministering. So the point is clear, Jesus' one time sacrifice must continue to minister in heaven on our behalf for us to be always saved. But if you stop believing, his ministry will no longer continue to minister on your behalf and you will be lost and come under the wrath of God reserved for his enemies:
Look here, folks:
23The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death fromcontinuing, 24but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. 25Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Hebrews 7:23-25 NASB
Hebrews 7:23-25 NASB
So we see, the ministry of Jesus must continue in heaven for us, and it does continue in heaven because he lives forever, and, therefore, his sacrifice never stops ministering. So the point is clear, Jesus' one time sacrifice must continue to minister in heaven on our behalf for us to be always saved. But if you stop believing, his ministry will no longer continue to minister on your behalf and you will be lost and come under the wrath of God reserved for his enemies:
26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews 10:26-31 NASB
(I don't know why I can't remove the italics. Sometimes this site doesn't run very well.)Hebrews 10:26-31 NASB
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Greetings Fran. I don't think they quite understand what surrender means..To surrender, is to give up all their weapons of sin, and stop the rebellion against God's kingdom....This type of surrender is achieved by crucifying the flesh with its evil passions and desires through the baptism of repentance (2 Cor. 710,11) in a godly season of sorrow not to be regretted of, being cleansed of all guile, and a vessel made fit and ready for the Masters use.....be blessed
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And it is in that sense that works are indeed required to accompany salvation. Not to earn that salvation, but because as you say, works are what saved people do by nature (their new nature). And so works HAVE to be attached to salvation. But for some reason when I and others say what you've said it can only be heard and understood as a 'meritorious works' gospel.
Not quite....OBEY is not FAITH, trust or believe....that is the lying twist you put on it to push your dogma and the free gift is salvation and eternal life with EVERY SIN EVER COMMITTED being forgiven and nailed to the cross.....and your endurance until the end has zero to do with salvation and is found within Matthew 24 and deals with physical preservation during the tribulation period....
DUDE....your false, satanic twist of the truth to push your dogma will cost you dearly when you are judged as a false teacher...I suggest JUDE....it tells of the destiny of all who push works (CAINOLOGY)<---the blackness of darkness forever.....
DUDE....your false, satanic twist of the truth to push your dogma will cost you dearly when you are judged as a false teacher...I suggest JUDE....it tells of the destiny of all who push works (CAINOLOGY)<---the blackness of darkness forever.....
W
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the literal Sabbath day was among the feast days in Lev 23 of which were nailed to the cross....Our Sabbath rest is 24/7 in Christ when ever 2 or more are gathered in His name He is in the mist, anytime any place....when one has ceased from his works of sin, the same has entered into His rest, said Paul...Jesus IS OUR SABBATH DAY 24/7 for those that obey Him. Through much suffering (through repentance), does one cease from sin, said Peter.....be blessed
the literal Sabbath day was among the feast days in Lev 23 of which were nailed to the cross....Our Sabbath rest is 24/7 in Christ when ever 2 or more are gathered in His name He is in the mist, anytime any place....when one has ceased from his works of sin, the same has entered into His rest, said Paul...Jesus IS OUR SABBATH DAY 24/7 for those that obey Him. Through much suffering (through repentance), does one cease from sin, said Peter.....be blessed