The State of Israel - Authentic or Counterfeit?

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Is the State of Israel Authentic or Counterfeit?

  • Authentic

    Votes: 16 76.2%
  • Counterfeit

    Votes: 5 23.8%

  • Total voters
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How so, God only promised a return to the land under repentance and obedience to Torah, which was made obsolete. Therefore there are no conditions for a return to the land. PERIOD....:p

The Zionists that took over the land were mainly atheists.
Wrong again u are teaching more lies again. this is horrible to see so many deceivers on this website, u teach that Jesus already returned and that jacob's trouble already happened and Jesus didnt setup his kingdom He promised thats heresy.

Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

they are atheists now but just wait. why dont u believe God he can do it.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

surprise replacement theology false teachers cant handle that verse. but as touching the election they are beloved. i thought it was only the church the church the church. Paul said i suffer for the elect's sake!
replacement theology causes u to misinterpret the bible and steal promises from Israel to da church. u cant study the bible without rightly dividing it or u end up in a mess.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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you know, your biblical knowledge is pretty scant IMO

Jesus died for the sins of the world

the Jewish people did not murder Jesus.

go study the word. YOU are the reason Jesus had to die and so am I

when someone is so blinded by hatred and prejudice, they seem capable of ignoring the most obvious and doctrinally sound biblical evidence that counters your blind seething hatred

if you think the Jews murdered Christ, then your reasoning is no better than the false claims made during WWII

same type of arguement based on a demonic thought process
Who do I hate?
 
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pete9

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Once again,broad assumptions,no discussion and pin others with your opinion of what they believe.smh You do realize you cant preach against homosexuality in Canada,right? Why are you not against Canada? In fact you wouldn't be able to preach the Gospel in this country if Hillary won the presidency.When you're ready for honest discussion,let us know.
Yea, truly, I do realize that, and I am against Canada. And you mean that those who accept what politicians say as the law rather than what the Constitution says would believe that I could not preach in this country if Hillary won the presidency. But that would not stop me, you know.
 
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The following truths apply....

a. Jesus will sit on the throne of his father David
b. Israel will be called back into the land before the end of the age
c. Israel has been momentarily cut off so salvation can come to the Gentiles
d. Israel will repopulate the waste cities of the planet after the end of the age
e. In Christ Israel and Gentiles have been grafted in under one banner
f. Jesus primarily rises from his throne to defend his people and his nation Israel
g. Israel/Jerusalem will be the world capitol and nation during the millennial reign of Christ from the throne of David
h. Once a year ALL nations and people will be required to appear before the Lord and pay homage or suffer
I. Jesus will rule with a rod of iron from Israel
j. ETC.........
a. Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

b. And starting in Deut. 28:15 Moses listed the disasters that would come upon them, culminating in verses 63 and 64 when he said they would be up rooted from the land and scattered among the nations, from one end of the Earth to the other. And once again, he said, even if they had been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, the Lord would bring them back (Deut. 30:4), and if they agreed to obey His covenant again He would make them prosperous, and then He would circumcise their hearts (see Romans 2:28-29), put their enemies to flight, and delight in them again. Deut 30:1-10 is a clear summary of End Times events. They’ll be brought back into the land, their enemies will be cursed and their covenant will be restored (Ezekiel 38-39), their hearts will be circumcised (Zechariah 12:10), and their prosperity will be restored (Isaiah 65:17-25). This sequence of events is coming to pass today, just as Moses said it would.

c. For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

d. And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

e. You already agreed...we have been folded in under one banner (belief)

f. I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.

g. And he will rule them with Behold, a day is coming for the Lord, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. ...a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father... Jerusalem will rise to become the capital of the Earth (Zechariah 14:9-11). ..

h. Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.
 

trofimus

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Wrong again u are teaching more lies again. this is horrible to see so many deceivers on this website, u teach that Jesus already returned and that jacob's trouble already happened and Jesus didnt setup his kingdom He promised thats heresy.

Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

they are atheists now but just wait. why dont u believe God he can do it.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

surprise replacement theology false teachers cant handle that verse. but as touching the election they are beloved. i thought it was only the church the church the church. Paul said i suffer for the elect's sake!
replacement theology causes u to misinterpret the bible and steal promises from Israel to da church. u cant study the bible without rightly dividing it or u end up in a mess.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Are you even aware that Ezekiel was about return from Babylon? Its not about the 21st century.

You should get things to context before attacking others. You are mixing apples and oranges.
 
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pete9

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they are atheists now but just wait. why dont u believe God he can do it.
Do we have to do what they say and be their cattle prior to their conversion?

So we have people who adhere to a religion called Judaism, who are not even necessarily Hebrews...
And we need to do what they say, serve them, attack other nations for them, and die for them...while they control our country, entertain us with juicy Hollywood, and use AIPAC, ADL, and propaganda on us)..
And then God will just make them into Christians at some point, so they don't even have to choose on their own.
Sounds like a sweet deal - for them!
 
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sevenseas

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Do we have to do what they say and be their cattle prior to their conversion?

So we have people who adhere to a religion called Judaism, who are not even necessarily Hebrews...
And we need to do what they say, serve them, attack other nations for them, and die for them...while they control our country, entertain us with juicy Hollywood, and use AIPAC, ADL, and propaganda on us)..
And then God will just make them into Christians at some point, so they don't even have to choose on their own.
Sounds like a sweet deal - for them!

you could not be more mixed up if you squeezed into a blender and turned it on high LOL!
 

J7

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On the subject of Blitzing, that was Churchill's baby
 

Locutus

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When all else fails bring Hitler in....

Donna und blitzen.....
 

PennEd

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Do we have to do what they say and be their cattle prior to their conversion?

So we have people who adhere to a religion called Judaism, who are not even necessarily Hebrews...
And we need to do what they say, serve them, attack other nations for them, and die for them...while they control our country, entertain us with juicy Hollywood, and use AIPAC, ADL, and propaganda on us)..
And then God will just make them into Christians at some point, so they don't even have to choose on their own.
Sounds like a sweet deal - for them!
I'm sorry. But I don't know how ANYONE can read this post as ANYTHING but antisemitism and hatred of Jews.

Next we'll be reading about the blood libel, where Jews use Christian and muslim blood to make their cakes!
 

trofimus

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Have you noticed an interesting fact?

Significant number of "pro-Israel" camp members are from the USA and significant number of other camp members are from various different countries.

Maybe there is some propaganda running in the US churches, I do not know... But such a division is very visible in this topic.
 
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kaylagrl

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Jesus was a Jew so yes he came to his own BLOOD who MURDERED him, and there's nothing wrong with Jews, they just shouldn't be worshipped and given the title "chosen people" when they ARE NOT and NEVER have been God's chosen people.


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[FONT=&quot]And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,[/FONT][FONT=&quot]18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.


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31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again.32 He spoke plainly about this...


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Locutus

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I think American Policy support for Israel is more for "strategic" purposes than for any supposed theological idea that they are the choysen people.
 

PennEd

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Have you noticed an interesting fact?

Significant number of "pro-Israel" camp members are from the USA and significant number of other camp members are from various different countries.

Maybe there is some propaganda running in the US churches, I do not know... But such a division is very visible in this topic.
I have noticed a number of European members, who's country allowed, and in some cases FACILITATED, the holocaust, are the most virulent against Israel.
 

PennEd

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I have noticed a number of European members, who's country allowed, and in some cases FACILITATED, the holocaust, are the most virulent against Israel.
Hmm. Maybe there IS something to that "I will Bless those that Bless..." What country in history ahs been more blessed than America? Interesting that the more Anti-Israel America becomes, the MORE we're getting the OTHER half of the Lord's decree.
 

trofimus

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I have noticed a number of European members, who's country allowed, and in some cases FACILITATED, the holocaust, are the most virulent against Israel.
Yes. So I wonder what makes US Christians to be so "pro-Israel" and why is dispensationalism, "literal millenium" etc so spread there.

The rest of the world does not seem to see it this way. Well, except of churches based by American misisonaries in those countries.

I have been to three churches based by Americans in my countrie and... what a coincidence... all those churches hold the "American" ideas about Israel, millenium etc.
 
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J7

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America knew exactly how badly the starvation and disease was across Europe but chose to prolong the war for fear of Stalin getting power of Berlin. They then murdered an estimated 2 million German troops through deliberate starvation policies.

They also dropped nukes on Japan for no reason whatsoever.
 
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pete9

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Is anyone allowed to criticize judaism or zionism without being "anti-semitic"?

I want to know if you consider Martin Luther to be an "anti-semite". For my part, I'd rather stand with him on the final day than with all of the practitioners of judaism in Christendom. Or whatever..
 

PennEd

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Yes. So I wonder what makes US Christians to be so "pro-Israel" and why is dispensationalism, "literal millenium" etc so spread there.

The rest of the world does not seem to see it this way. Well, except of churches based by American misisonaries in those countries.
Why does "pro Israel" equate to believing they are saved in ANY other way than Christ?