The State of Israel - Authentic or Counterfeit?

[sevenseas]

Let me paraphrase:

Conform, conform, conform! Insults, name-calling, you be stupid, conform!!

let me illustrate

you offer

no scripture...no scripture...no scripture and ignore what is posted from scripture

oops oops oops

have you missed breakfast? you are not making sense and you may have low blood sugar

 

[dcontroversal]

America knew exactly how badly the starvation and disease was across Europe but chose to prolong the war for fear of Stalin getting power of Berlin. They then murdered an estimated 2 million German troops through deliberate starvation policies.

They also dropped nukes on Japan for no reason whatsoever.

Ignorance of history found here......

 

[sevenseas]

Zechariah 13New King James Version (NKJV)

Idolatry Cut Off

13 “In that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness.
2 “It shall be in that day,” says the Lord of hosts, “that I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they shall no longer be remembered. I will also cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to depart from the land. 3 It shall come to pass that if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother who begot him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, because you have spoken lies in the name of the Lord.’ And his father and mother who begot him shall thrust him through when he prophesies.
4 “And it shall be in that day that every prophet will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies; they will not wear a robe of coarse hair to deceive. 5 But he will say, ‘I am no prophet, I am a farmer; for a man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.’ 6 And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’[a] Then he will answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’
The Shepherd Savior

7 “Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd,
Against the Man who is My Companion,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
“Strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep will be scattered;
Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one–third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the ​ONE THIRD through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

he did not really want scripture

he just thought there wasn't any

pretty sure that exists in the KJ too

 

[pete9]

When atheist friends/neighbors criticize or mock Christianity, "Christians" shrug it off, smile, try not to cross any societal norms of by being "intolerant". But when Christians criticize judaism, other "Christians" attack with RAGE, call names, mock, insult, and generally go bezerk. This is NEW on the timeline of Christianity. This did NOT happen prior to Zionist propaganda of the 20th century, and I dare anyone to find proof otherwise.

 

[pete9]

let me illustrate

you offer

no scripture...no scripture...no scripture and ignore what is posted from scripture

oops oops oops

have you missed breakfast? you are not making sense and you may have low blood sugar

Will you address Genesis 12 and Ishmael?

 

[KJV1611]

amen!

Gentiles are grafted in and likened to a wild olive tree

you can only miss that if you have hate blinders on

good post!

Wait a minute, the fig tree is Israel isn't it? If Israel's the fig tree then who's the natural olive tree?

 

[Locutus]

I think this charge of antisemitism is without merit. Just because a person does not believe they have a right to the land does not mean they are antisemitic.

The "Palestinians" lived in the land long before the immigration started.

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[TR]
[TD]Year
[/TD]
[TD]Jews
(core population)
[/TD]
[TD]Non-Jews
[/TD]
[TD]Total Population
[/TD]
[TD]% Jewish
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="width: 0, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD]1882
[/TD]
[TD]24,000
[/TD]
[TD]276,000
[/TD]
[TD]300,000
[/TD]
[TD]8.0%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="width: 0, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD]1918
[/TD]
[TD]60,000
[/TD]
[TD]600,000
[/TD]
[TD]660,000
[/TD]
[TD]8.1%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Full demographics at:

Jewish & Non-Jewish Population of Israel/Palestine (1517-Present)

 

[trofimus]

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[h=3]The Shepherd Savior[/h][FONT="][FONT="]7 “Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd,
Against the Man who is My Companion,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
“Strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep will be scattered;
Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one–third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the ​ONE THIRD through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”[/FONT]
[/FONT]

Do you actually have anything from the New Testament?

Because we know that the OT must be taken spiritually.

 

[Snoozy]

Have you noticed an interesting fact?

Significant number of "pro-Israel" camp members are from the USA and significant number of other camp members are from various different countries.

Maybe there is some propaganda running in the US churches, I do not know... But such a division is very visible in this topic.

im not american and no americans in my church we believe the bible. yes there is a division. there is the bible believing christians who read God's word and believe what He says. and there are replacement theology (warning: replacement theology is catholic) heretics who dont believe God's word and promises and try to misapply and take promises from Israel.
GOD BLESS ISRAEL.
da world is against Israel, eu, arab league, everyone is against them but the bible believers will STAND WITH ISRAEL, da world is turning against israel. if any of you from israel are reading what i say i say TURN TO JESUS now he is your messiah if u do it u wont have to go through jacob's trouble but Jesus will rapture u away from the hour of trial coming on the whole world.

 

[pete9]

No one prior to, let's say 1980, would have ever thought that protestants would attack Martin Luther and call him an anti-semite, while they foam in rage at anyone who criticizes Judaism. We are in for some weird times.

 

[trofimus]

No one prior to, let's say 1980, would have ever thought that protestants would attack Martin Luther and call him an anti-semite, while they foam in rage at anyone who criticizes Judaism. We are in for some weird times.

American Christianity export

Wealth, health, tongues, Israel.

 

[KJV1611]

Zechariah 13New King James Version (NKJV)

Idolatry Cut Off

13 “In that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness.
2 “It shall be in that day,” says the Lord of hosts, “that I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they shall no longer be remembered. I will also cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to depart from the land. 3 It shall come to pass that if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother who begot him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, because you have spoken lies in the name of the Lord.’ And his father and mother who begot him shall thrust him through when he prophesies.
4 “And it shall be in that day that every prophet will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies; they will not wear a robe of coarse hair to deceive. 5 But he will say, ‘I am no prophet, I am a farmer; for a man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.’ 6 And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’[a] Then he will answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’
The Shepherd Savior

7 “Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd,
Against the Man who is My Companion,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
“Strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep will be scattered;
Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one–third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the ​ONE THIRD through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

The statement should have been 1/3 WAS saved at the time of Christ. THE SHEPHERD (Christ) was stricken at calvary and the sheep scattered, he wont be strcken AGAIN.

 

[Snoozy]

Do we have to do what they say and be their cattle prior to their conversion?

So we have people who adhere to a religion called Judaism, who are not even necessarily Hebrews...
And we need to do what they say, serve them, attack other nations for them, and die for them...while they control our country, entertain us with juicy Hollywood, and use AIPAC, ADL, and propaganda on us)..
And then God will just make them into Christians at some point, so they don't even have to choose on their own.
Sounds like a sweet deal - for them!

blame da jews as always this is tha nazi strategy. u are saying exactly what israel's neighbors are saying whose side are you on they are da ones taking over not jews.

do u believe the bible?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

still called elect after rejecting Christ Jesus. consider replacement theology dead and buried.

 

[Locutus]

I see we are at regulo 7 in the thread

 

[KJV1611]

im not american and no americans in my church we believe the bible. yes there is a division. there is the bible believing christians who read God's word and believe what He says. and there are replacement theology (warning: replacement theology is catholic) heretics who dont believe God's word and promises and try to misapply and take promises from Israel.
GOD BLESS ISRAEL.
da world is against Israel, eu, arab league, everyone is against them but the bible believers will STAND WITH ISRAEL, da world is turning against israel. if any of you from israel are reading what i say i say TURN TO JESUS now he is your messiah if u do it u wont have to go through jacob's trouble but Jesus will rapture u away from the hour of trial coming on the whole world.

What is replacement theology? You can't replace a group that never held the position to start with! Flesh Israel has NEVER been God's chosen people.... no one has replaced God's chosen people - the children of the promise.

 

[Snoozy]

American Christianity export

Wealth, health, tongues, Israel.

u hate america i see. i dont hate czech republic. maybe u can tell me how i believe da same as many americans do without never meeting an american in my life? how is that.

 

[trofimus]

u hate america i see. i dont hate czech republic. maybe u can tell me how i believe da same as many americans do without never meeting an american in my life? how is that.

I do not know why you see hate everywhere.

To your question - (American) globalization.

 

[pete9]

blame da jews as always this is tha nazi strategy. u are saying exactly what israel's neighbors are saying whose side are you on they are da ones taking over not jews.

do u believe the bible?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

still called elect after rejecting Christ Jesus. consider replacement theology dead and buried.

I have no need to "blame" them. I just want to live my own life without others expecting me to serve practitioners of another religion, as if they are gods and we are cattle. That's all. Can't they do as they like and we do as we'd like? Or is it that God will be angry if we don't serve them. Or if we criticize their religion or practices. That's where it gets dodgy.

 

[sevenseas]

Will you address Genesis 12 and Ishmael?

why?

I thought you new covenant only people only went by the NT?

 

[pete9]

u hate america i see. i dont hate czech republic. maybe u can tell me how i believe da same as many americans do without never meeting an american in my life? how is that.

So anyone that criticizes something "hates" it? You guys ratchet it up pretty high here in the conformity department. I love my country, but its government does some nasty stuff...and its people are more proud and ignorant than they imagine realize. Do you have no American TV or radio there? Do you think your country is on the "good" list with America and yet you have no American influences there? Are you in the vicinity of "American Samoa"?