The State of Israel - Authentic or Counterfeit?

[dcontroversal]

Matthew 5

21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Nice quote....now put the word in context....I did not call him a graceless wretch....

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[Zen]

i just thought of something why aint none of ya replacement theology believers moving to Israel? isnt it ur land u should be going and inheriting da promised land. or is that promise allegory too Loool

Because it's run by occultists and Jewish supremacists.

Don't you need a DNA test to move there? Somehow all the 11 other tribes died out, but not Jews, right?

Israel, despite being a liberal democratic country, is not an immigration country. Therefore, Israel does not have laws and regulations enabling foreigners who wish to come and settle Israel the opportunity to do so. [HR][/HR] The laws relevant to entering and residing in Israel for different purposes are the Law of Entry to Israel -1952 and the Law of Return -1950. In addition, the Citizenship Law -1952 details possible options for becoming a citizen.
Based on the above laws, immigration to Israel is mainly possible per Aliyah process, a process available to Zakaey Shvut , persons eligible under The Law of Return with Jewish roots. Clause 4A(a) of the Law of Return states as follows:

“ The rights of a Jew under this law, and the rights of an Ole under the Citizenship Law -1952, and the rights of a Ole under any other law, are given to the child or grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew the spouse of a child and grandchild of a Jew; Except a person who was born Jewish and out of his free will converted his religion.”
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Non-Jewish Israelites cannot move there freely.

Immigration to Israel and Israeli Citizenship - DCLO Law Offices

It's simply a matter of delusional people worshiping Jews with no idea of biblical lineages.

 

[trofimus]

The scriptures are clear and there is yet national promises made concerning the King, the Throne, The City, The people, The Land, the 12 Tribes, The world gathered against Israel, The Remnant, The rebuilding of the waste cities, the world Capitol Jerusalem, etc................those who are mouthing and against Israel will be counted with those who are gathered against her at the end of the age....it will all wash out in the end......no sense in arguing with fools......

Literal reading is the natural reading of a natural man.

Spiritual reading is the reading of a spiritual man.

Guess who understands the Word of God better.

Also, there are no 12 tribes anymore. Genealogies were destroyed so no Jew can actually know what line he is from and if he is even Jew.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

When atheist friends/neighbors criticize or mock Christianity, "Christians" shrug it off, smile, try not to cross any societal norms of by being "intolerant". But when Christians criticize judaism, other "Christians" attack with RAGE, call names, mock, insult, and generally go bezerk. This is NEW on the timeline of Christianity. This did NOT happen prior to Zionist propaganda of the 20th century, and I dare anyone to find proof otherwise.

Christians should always respond with love and patience.
If someone is criticizing or mocking Christianity and you respond in a hateful way or attack them with rage, call them names, or mock or insult I am going to tell you that you are wrong.
That's not how Christians answer. I don't care what the other party is saying. You're a Christian, a son or daughter of Abba and you need to act like it. That doesn't mean not responding to the hate. Respond, but respond in a way that God's word speaks through you.

Now, if you go an criticize Judaism
(Meaning, attacking them, mocking them, insulting them, saying anything that does not show God speaking through you, and speaking in a way of hate not love) guess what? I'm going to say you are wrong.
If you say things such as They do not believe the truth, and here's why: .... here's the scripture that leads me to this comment and belief,
Than I am not going to say anything. Because that is not wrong. There is no hate in that comment.

Simple as that.

 

[Magenta]

You know what, I have just stooped to your level... I appologize to you and eveybody on this thread for that.

Considering all the ad homs you put up with here, you do really well.

 

[loveme1]

Nice quote....now put the word in context....I did not call him a graceless wretch....

con·text
ˈkäntekst/
noun
noun: context; plural noun: contexts

• the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
  "the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
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  [TR]
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Excuse your behaviour as you wish by playing with words but you can not hide it from GOD who knew what you said from within.

 

[dcontroversal]

You know what, I have just stooped to your level... I appologize to you and eveybody on this thread for that.

You did not offend me......my quote was good.....and I have no problem in waiting to see how it plays out....peace

 

[Meggido]

What is replacement theology? You can't replace a group that never held the position to start with! Flesh Israel has NEVER been God's chosen people.... no one has replaced God's chosen people - the children of the promise.

Jeremiah 31.34

[SUP]31 [/SUP]Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[PennEd]

The statement should have been 1/3 WAS saved at the time of Christ. THE SHEPHERD (Christ) was stricken at calvary and the sheep scattered, he wont be strcken AGAIN.

You asked where the 1/3rd came from. I showed you. But I am not capable of making you believe it. Only revelation from the Holy Spirit Can do that.

And btw, I DO WORSHIP A JEW! You do realize that Jesus is Jewish right?

He was born a JEW. He died as a JEW. And He was raised to life as a JEW.

 

[tourist]

You have no clue what you're talking about... earthly Jerusalem is done, finished, over with and not coming back. Those verses that you THINK are talking about earthly Jerusalem are talking about heavenly Jerusalem... but you're right PAL there's no since in arguing with fools.

Last time I checked Jerusalem is still on the map. It's in the news practically every other week. There is going to be a major world war in the Middle East one day that will be centered on that city and Israel that will take place in the valley of Megiddo. Something about a 200 million man army and blood up to the horses bridle.

Rev 14:20
And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

That city is certainly not finished.

The city that's being referred to is Jerusalem.

 

[KJV1611]

Considering all the ad homs you put up with here, you do really well.

I really feel bad for doing that! That's not my nature and all I want to do is help people see the truth and it gets really frustating when you're trying to help and you get beat over the head for doing so.

 

[dcontroversal]

Excuse your behaviour as you wish by playing with words but you can not hide it from GOD who knew what you said from within.

So now you can see motive and judge the thoughts and intents of the heart.......sure.....and the verbiage is clear....anyone who worships a version of the bible instead of the God of the bible is foolish....end of story....

Paul used FOOLISH....IN CONTEXT.....I guess CONTEXT is above your reasoning level?

 

[KJV1611]

You did not offend me......my quote was good.....and I have no problem in waiting to see how it plays out....peace

It offended me and I'm truly sorry. None of us are going to see eye to ey on everything.

 

[dcontroversal]

Literal reading is the natural reading of a natural man.

Spiritual reading is the reading of a spiritual man.

Guess who understands the Word of God better.

Also, there are no 12 tribes anymore. Genealogies were destroyed so no Jew can actually know what line he is from and if he is even Jew.

SURE.....keep believing that....

 

[Zen]

Also, there are no 12 tribes anymore.

Not true. There'd just be a single gate in New Jerusalem. There's 12.

 

[KJV1611]

Jeremiah 31.34

[SUP]31 [/SUP]Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

I don't understand your point.

 

[KJV1611]

You asked where the 1/3rd came from. I showed you. But I am not capable of making you believe it. Only revelation from the Holy Spirit Can do that.

And btw, I DO WORSHIP A JEW! You do realize that Jesus is Jewish right?

He was born a JEW. He died as a JEW. And He was raised to life as a JEW.

The verses are talking about the first coming of Christ, what is there that I'm not believing?

 

[loveme1]

We have requested any references to violence to women, ( and indeed either sex of person), not to be permissible on this site. Please desist.

When one resorts to such things we witness the fruit of his inwards...

 

[Meggido]

Since when did questioning the authenticity of that bunch of Kaballahist heathens in Israel become polarizing? This is an excellent topic that needs to be talked about.

look there you cannot read either.....I did not say the topic was polarizing I said the poster was polarizing...

 

[KJV1611]

Last time I checked Jerusalem is still on the map. It's in the news practically every other week. There is going to be a major world war in the Middle East one day that will be centered on that city and Israel that will take place in the valley of Megiddo. Something about a 200 million man army and blood up to the horses bridle.

Rev 14:20
And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

That city is certainly not finished.

The city that's being referred to is Jerusalem.

Maybe I should have said God is done with eathly Jerusalem and Israel.