Should women be silent in church and wear head coverings?

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Should women be silent in church and wear head coverings?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 22.6%

  • No

    Votes: 19 61.3%

  • If they have long hair, they can skip the head covering.

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • Total voters
    31
Nehemiah6

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PHart said:
3But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:3 NASB)
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PHart,
It was good to quote that Scripture, since this is where it all begins. We are dealing with the doctrine of "headship" or authority within the home and within the local assembly. Just as God the Father is the authority over Christ (even though Jesus is God and equal to God), the husband is the authority over his wife (even though she is equal as a child of God).

And it is precisely because of headship that Paul says "for this cause ought the woman to have POWER (Greek exousia = authority) because of the angels". Obviously the woman's head covering is the symbol of the authority of her husband over her, and of Christ over the local church.

But why "because of the angels"? Because holy angels observe Christian meetings to view how they are in submission to Christ (or not). If a woman is submitted to the Lord, she will be delighted to wear a head covering during worship, to show her obedience and submission to Christ, and to her husband. The doctrine of headship is generally neglected, and perhaps that is why divorces have started to become common among Christians.
 
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Blain

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PHart said:
Gee, and I thought Deborah was going to come up first.
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I am only saying that like i said god will use whom he chooses, the fact he used women in a way like this shows he is not limited to only men i meant no disrespect
 
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pete9

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Blain said:
You need to back off, If you think you can say whatever you want to people because you think yourself so right you have another thing coming. You can speak your views and debate them but slandering women especially in such an anti Christ like way is absolutely uncalled for, you shame yourself for speaking in such a manner.
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If you have a contempt for the Bible and what it says, then you don't know Christ, and you have no clue what anti-Christ is. It was under the Judaizer thread that a Judaizer accused me of not following Christ because I won't do Jewish stuff. You guys are so confused that it is sad.
 
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MattforJesus

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1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

This is the authority structure of God on earth,and angels are last in the authority structure,for they are ministering spirits sent forth to minister to all people who shall inherit eternal life,and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints,for the saints will have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

In the Lord there is no difference between a man and a woman,for the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the spirit,and soul,are the same,and they will put off the flesh.

But on earth God has to have an authority structure.

A woman can teach,preach,prophesy,and do things a man can do,but when the saints come together to hear the word of God,and worship God,it should be a man that takes the lead in that type of setting.

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Concerning a covering for the women it is talking about hair,that God wants a distinction between the man and the woman.

Some people will say this is legalistic,but it is not if it comes from God,for it is what He requires,and people only say it is legalistic because a big attitude of many in the Church is do not tell us what to do,and wear,and act,especially at this time which the Bible tells us there will be many hypocrites.

The Bible says it is a shame for a man to have long hair,for even nature teaches it is a shame for a man to have long hair.

A man should have short hair,for he is in the image of God,and Jesus came in the image of God,so the man Christ Jesus would of had short hair,not long hair.

But among many people that want to dress,and wear their hair the way they want,will say it is legalistic,do not tell us how to wear our hair,and dress.

They trip me out the way they want their way that goes against the Bible,and rebellious,and then say it is legalistic,as if God cannot command us what to do,and what not to do,and their rebelliousness,and what they want,can override what God said.

The women are like,don't tell us we cannot lead the congregation,and have short hair,and wear a bikini to Church if we want,and the men are like,I will have long hair if I want,and wear a Chippendales outfit to Church if I want.

Don't tell us what to do they scream,it is legalistic,and what they want,and desire,overrides what God said to them.

It appears as if feminism,and pride among men,is in the Church among many like the world.

And they do the same thing with the prosperity Gospel,don't tell us we cannot heap money,and material things,and cater to our wants,when the Bible says,the love of God does not dwell in them.

And don't tell us we cannot enjoy the things of the world,when the Bible says they are not of the Father.

And don't tell us we cannot enjoy fleshy pleasures,when the Bible says they war against the soul,and awake to righteousness,and sin not,but not all have the knowledge of God,and Paul speaks that to their shame.

We live in a time where many want to live how they want,and override scriptures by what they want,and desire.

Yep,they trip me out.
 
Locutus

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My woman Baggins always lets me have the last word...






 
Magenta

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Nehemiah6 said:
PHart,
It was good to quote that Scripture, since this is where it all begins. We are dealing with the doctrine of "headship" or authority within the home and within the local assembly. Just as God the Father is the authority over Christ (even though Jesus is God and equal to God), the husband is the authority over his wife (even though she is equal as a child of God).

And it is precisely because of headship that Paul says "for this cause ought the woman to have POWER (Greek exousia = authority) because of the angels". Obviously the woman's head covering is the symbol of the authority of her husband over her, and of Christ over the local church.

But why "because of the angels"? Because holy angels observe Christian meetings to view how they are in submission to Christ (or not). If a woman is submitted to the Lord, she will be delighted to wear a head covering during worship to show her obedience and submission to Christ, and to her husband. The doctrine of headship is generally neglected, and perhaps that is why divorces have started to become common among Christians.
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Divorces have become more common because men do not love their wives as they are supposed to. You speak of married women, as do the Scriptures. What about unmarried women, in your view? Are they still the property of their fathers to be treated as cattle? Erm, I mean, chattel?
 
Blain

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pete9 said:
If you have a contempt for the Bible and what it says, then you don't know Christ, and you have no clue what anti-Christ is. It was under the Judaizer thread that a Judaizer accused me of not following Christ because I won't do Jewish stuff. You guys are so confused that it is sad.
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What i have contempt for is people acting like you just did, It is not the bible I am against it is the way people so self righteously condemn and judge others. no matter how much you disagree with someone about the bible you never ever slander people in such a hateful manner
 
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pete9

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MattforJesus,

The worst part to me is not just that they do it, that they can't recognize that it is all about them gratifying their own personal desires, but they are mad that others won't do it. And they want to force others to agree and to participate. It is like Sodom, it is not enough to do it themselves, they will never feel comfortable unless they believe that they are inside of other's brains, forcing them to do as they want. No matter how much they want it, things are the way they are. The Bible is right, always has been always will be. Go against it and you are just dashing yourself against the rock. They will never be satisfied, they will never feel peace, and it is not because they are determined that the world follow God and do what's right, its because they can't make the world follow them and gratify their own personal desires. Base desires, like pride.

I go back to the beginning for me. I don't have the desire to speak in church. Why is that? If they said that the "rump" needs to be quiet in church, I don't mind. Who wants the responsibility of saying the right stuff all the time anyway? It is a dangerous burden. The Bible tells me to take my hat off. I don't mind. It feels respectful. I guess the feminists here will never get it. Maybe their minds cannot handle it, the curse is too strong for the weak vessels.
 
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pete9

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Magenta said:
Divorces have become more common because men do not love their wives as they are supposed to. You speak of married women, as do the Scriptures. What about unmarried women, in your view? Are they still the property of their fathers to be treated as cattle? Erm, I mean, chattel?
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Divorces are more common because of "men"? Maybe because of the men who are behind communism and Hollywood. But you know, it was communism's goal to destroy the family unit.
 
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pete9

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Blain said:
What i have contempt for is people acting like you just did, It is not the bible I am against it is the way people so self righteously condemn and judge others. no matter how much you disagree with someone about the bible you never ever slander people in such a hateful manner
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I have no reason to believe you are qualified to teach anyone. Are you not on the left? Don't you disagree with the apostle Paul and/or mince his words? If so, you're not with me. I am the "rump" on a DIFFERENT body.
 
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pete9 said:
Wake up, foolish modern women. You'll never be men. You can want as badly as ever, it will not happen. And you know what, it's not so great anyway. The curse of the garden of eden went both ways. The weak women will apparently continually desire to be in control of men, and the weak men will never come to grips with morality or the difficulties of life. If you let your weakness control you such that you LIE on the Holy Spirit, you are heaping accursedness on your heads.
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Thank goodness!
I enjoy being a woman
 
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pete9 said:
MattforJesus,

The worst part to me is not just that they do it, that they can't recognize that it is all about them gratifying their own personal desires, but they are mad that others won't do it. And they want to force others to agree and to participate. It is like Sodom, it is not enough to do it themselves, they will never feel comfortable unless they believe that they are inside of other's brains, forcing them to do as they want. No matter how much they want it, things are the way they are. The Bible is right, always has been always will be. Go against it and you are just dashing yourself against the rock. They will never be satisfied, they will never feel peace, and it is not because they are determined that the world follow God and do what's right, its because they can't make the world follow them and gratify their own personal desires. Base desires, like pride.

I go back to the beginning for me. I don't have the desire to speak in church. Why is that? If they said that the "rump" needs to be quiet in church, I don't mind. Who wants the responsibility of saying the right stuff all the time anyway? It is a dangerous burden. The Bible tells me to take my hat off. I don't mind. It feels respectful. I guess the feminists here will never get it. Maybe their minds cannot handle it, the curse is too strong for the weak vessels.
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are you married, dating...?
 
Blain

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pete9 said:
I have no reason to believe you are qualified to teach anyone. Are you not on the left? Don't you disagree with the apostle Paul and/or mince his words? If so, you're not with me. I am the "rump" on a DIFFERENT body.
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I honestly don't care if you think I am qualified to teach or not but I will not sit by and let you speak to people in such a hateful ill mannered way, if the mods saw what you said you would have been in huge trouble, and if this is how you are you with people and if you honestly are so blind as to not see how absolutely wrong it was of you to speak to the women here then yes your right I am not with you and i am not of the same body as you.

We are called to love and be love not to slander and speak in such arrogance because we are male
 
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