Should women be silent in church and wear head coverings?

[Meggido]

God wouldn't break the rules by having a woman instruct a congregation of men. The woman would be speaking out of her own mind whether she was speaking accurately or inaccurately. God simply would not use a woman to do that.

I've met wonderfully gifted and anointed women in the church. But their ministry ends where the instruction and guidance of men begins. Sorry, gals.

that is not at all what he asked you...nice divert and swerve now, answer the question....

IF a Male was preaching a false teaching and not other male stopped him and a woman did would she be out of order?

He never asked if a woman was instructing a room full of men....

This is what you do...you divert and swerve to avoid answering a question....

 

[shrimp]

I don't know about any of this but I do see a lot of pressure for scriptural evidence for women being silent and covered. I have seen plenty of that. What about scriptural evidence of women being encouraged to speak up and teach or correct teachings of a man in church leadership?
I am not positioning myself in one camp or the other, I just see a lot of push to prove one side true or false without providing scriptural evidence for the opposition. Maybe I missed it. Can someone tell me in case I did?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Divorces have become more common because men do not love their wives as they are supposed to.

This could also be a contributing factor, as could be "evangelical feminism" (an oxymoron).

You speak of married women, as do the Scriptures. What about unmarried women, in your view?

You will note in Scripture that unmarried women (even young widows) are urged to marry and bear children. That is God's plan for the vast majority of Christian women. In the meantime, unmarried women show submission to Christ and to His Word by covering their head so that when do they get married, it is not even an issue.

Are they still the property of their fathers to be treated as cattle? Erm, I mean, chattel?

We are speaking about Christians, not the world. So this is moot.

 

[Magenta]

Divorces are more common because of "men"? Maybe because of the men who are behind communism and Hollywood. But you know, it was communism's goal to destroy the family unit.

Yes, because of men. I am glad you agree. Just as the fall of all creation is attributed to one man. Adam failed to act to protect his wife.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

You know....
Judaism says the same thing about women .... almost
Women are to be silent in "church"
They can't teach ect.
They also have less prayers and all to say than men

But you know why they say that is?
They say women naturally hold greater spirituality than men, and don't need as much time on God's word to stay faithful and not fray

"Christianity" according to some in here say it's because women are insuperior. Come on now.
Don't let Judaism step you up.
At least they've got it right in the fact that women are not less than man.

 

[pete9]

are you married, dating...?

Happily married to a fine Christian woman..who I would give my life for.

 

[Meggido]

The key part of those verses in "But I do not allow...". Paul doesn't allow, that doesn't mean that Jesus wouldn't allow. Seems to me that Paul is stating a personal opinion. I'm not saying that if it is an opinion than it should be disregarded but I believe the use of the words "But I do not allow", means that it's not necessarily set it stone. and should therefore be strictly adhered to.

Well done and very good scholarship, now let me prove this using the Bible...

Acts 18.24-28


[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now a Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was mighty in the Scriptures. [SUP]25 [/SUP]This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; [SUP]26 [/SUP]and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And when he wanted to go across to Achaia, the brethren encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him; and when he had arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace, [SUP]28 [/SUP]for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.



Nice Job tourist, a master swordsmen of the word becoming are you....

 

[Sully]

Happily married to a fine Christian woman..who I would give my life for.

Nice. Me too. Does she correct you in any way, and if so do you receive the correction as helpful?

 

[pete9]

Yes, because of men. I am glad you agree. Just as the fall of all creation is attributed to one man. Adam failed to act to protect his wife.

It is a shame if you hate or are so jealous of men in general that you would slander your own father.

 

[Nehemiah6]

What about scriptural evidence of women being encouraged to speak up and teach or correct teachings of a man in church leadership?

There is no such Scriptural evidence. If a woman has such an issue, a husband, father, or brother should be the one to bring this up.

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (1 Cor 14:34.35).

 

[pete9]

Nice. Me too. Does she correct you in any way, and if so do you receive the correction as helpful?

My wife would be offended if she thought I was letting those on the left of us "help" us and "investigate" our marriage. And so you see, I do care for her feelings.

 

[Sully]

My wife would be offended if she thought I was letting those on the left of us "help" us and "investigate" our marriage. And so you see, I do care for her feelings.

You didn't answer my question.
Does she correct you in any way, and if so do you receive the correction as helpful?

 

[Blain]

It is a shame if you hate or are so jealous of men in general that you would slander your own father.

Magenta jealous of men? what is there to be jealous about us? because of supposed authority? let me remind you the prideful will be humbled and the humble will be exalted, do not think you are any better than her because i can assure you from the fruits I have seen between your words and hers she is the one with the authority over you

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

Magenta jealous of men? what is there to be jealous about us? because of supposed authority? let me remind you the prideful will be humbled and the humble will be exalted, do not think you are any better than her because i can assure you from the fruits I have seen between your words and hers she is the one with the authority over you

Hey so I'm giving you a pretend rep on the thread because I gave you one too recently lol
*gives pretend rep*

 

[pete9]

You didn't answer my question.
Does she correct you in any way, and if so do you receive the correction as helpful?

You should reread my response. I don't think she would appreciate me talking about our marriage in general to a lefty who thinks they know better. And so, I did not answer you on purpose.

I told someone earlier that those who do not care for the Bible should not be treated with equal fellowshipping. The votes on this thread are sufficient for me to know that there is a serious problem here. Even without my other experiences. Sorry if I sound uppity, but I have scriptural backing for this position.

 

[Meggido]

The church is a disobedient wild rabble. No words will convince you. You want to think and act the way you want to and that's just the way the church is. I knew this was the kind of response that I'd get, lol. The church is a mess. We are in the end times.

the only disobedient wild rabble in the church are most of the men.....the reason why women are in leadership roles and being ordained in certain denominations is because the men will not answer the call.....its sad and unfortunate your pride and prejudice blinds you to this ugly fact...

There are more women in spiritual leadership of their homes then men...and that is a fact...we see this in our tent ministry...each small town we go to...the women bring the kids/teens in the tent with them...Dads are out smoking dope, cigs and drinking and sittin on the back the tail gates of pickups...but they are listening...

Men failed to be leaders in the kingdom and what!?!? the kingdom simply stops!?!?!...Only a fool would adhere to that line of reasoning...

The first person to see Jesus after his death was a woman....if you study that and find out why out you will gain wisdom from above...

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

You know,
I've been raised to keep my mouth shut and not talk back under any circumstance, but man, the BDF and some people here really test that don't they?

 

[Sully]

You should reread my response. I don't think she would appreciate me talking about our marriage in general to a lefty who thinks they know better. And so, I did not answer you on purpose.

I told someone earlier that those who do not care for the Bible should not be treated with equal fellowshipping. The votes on this thread are sufficient for me to know that there is a serious problem here. Even without my other experiences. Sorry if I sound uppity, but I have scriptural backing for this position.

OK, i'm impatient so I'll answer it for you and then you can argue. You said you'd give your life in an instant for your wife which means you love her as Christ loves the church. That means you have a somewhat healthy marriage and insomuch as there ever comes a time when she needs to correct you, let's say you do find it helpful and apply the wisdom she provides. Here's the thing. You are a living temple and therefore are the church. Do you really want her or any other woman filled with the Holy Spirit of wisdom to "be silent" in regards to what the church really is?

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

Anywho,
I'm glad I'll be marrying a man who respects me and other women.
So who am I to care about others opinions? This is pointless.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

OK, i'm impatient so I'll answer it for you and then you can argue. You said you'd give your life in an instant for your wife which means you love her as Christ loves the church. That means you have a somewhat healthy marriage and insomuch as there ever comes a time when she needs to correct you, let's say you do find it helpful and apply the wisdom she provides. Here's the thing. You are a living temple and therefore are the church. Do you really want her or any other woman filled with the Holy Spirit of wisdom to "be silent" in regards to what the church really is?

(Yes, he does.)