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[SUP]2 [/SUP]This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. [SUP]3 [/SUP]In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands
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[SUP]13 [/SUP]I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life
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[SUP]13 [/SUP]I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life
Who is sinless? Only Jesus.
Romans 5:5-6 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us. You see, at just the right time, when we were still POWERLESS, Christ died for the ungodly.
Luke 24:47-49 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”
Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Matthew 6:12-15 Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’ For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
1 John 1:10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
Romans 5:5-6 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us. You see, at just the right time, when we were still POWERLESS, Christ died for the ungodly.
Luke 24:47-49 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”
Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Matthew 6:12-15 Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’ For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
1 John 1:10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
Ephesians 4:17-32 Living as Children of Light So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more. You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, and do not give the devil a foothold. He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need. Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
I just looked at my own post and I can see how someone would read it wrong. So let me correct.
Dcon was posting about the heart and sevenseas posted only part of the KJV of the scripture...as a man thinketh (leaving out in his heart) so is he...
I was affirming Dcons post with the whole of the scripture. Now Meggido, your version says "within himself" which in his heart would be symbolical for that phrase.
Again...affirming Dcon...
Also, Meggido...In a conversation with you in a pm...I said I would look further into things. I see no reason to change my thinking, so if you feel you need to disfellowship, then please obey your conscience.
Dcon was posting about the heart and sevenseas posted only part of the KJV of the scripture...as a man thinketh (leaving out in his heart) so is he...
I was affirming Dcons post with the whole of the scripture. Now Meggido, your version says "within himself" which in his heart would be symbolical for that phrase.
Again...affirming Dcon...
Also, Meggido...In a conversation with you in a pm...I said I would look further into things. I see no reason to change my thinking, so if you feel you need to disfellowship, then please obey your conscience.
There's another error too though. Being too quick to pass judgement or slap a label on someone. (And a lot of the time it's because someone doesn't like the way something is worded.) That's not beige - it's yellow. No, it's actually a yellowy-beige. No, it's white, but just a yellowed white, etc., etc.
And here's another error. Once you have given someone their label, it dismisses them. From there on out, you don't really hear their explanation or further expounding. I'll give the example again of how I saw this very thing happen here. I saw it happen once to Bruce and I saw it also happen to fran.
With Bruce, it was said that he dismisses the entire gospel before Jesus died. (It appeared to me like that too), but instead of accusing him of treachery, I said, this is what that sounds like to me when you say such and such. Then he was able to expound and explain where his mind was at. But another poster just rip-roared over him in dismissal, slapping on the label as he went, and didn't hear or listen to his further explanation. And still accuses Bruce.
With Fran, she stated that works keep us saved. Once again, it appeared to me like she was saying something wrongjust as it appeared that way to me with Bruce , but I read her posts carefully, and in a place she said something like...works are necessary to keeping saved in the sense that you will have them if you are abiding in Jesus. But the label slapping continues and no one heard her. She clearly attributes the works to abiding and not to her own power, and yet she is said to not be abiding in Jesus. Despite what she said.
The errors are flying both ways.
And here's another error. Once you have given someone their label, it dismisses them. From there on out, you don't really hear their explanation or further expounding. I'll give the example again of how I saw this very thing happen here. I saw it happen once to Bruce and I saw it also happen to fran.
With Bruce, it was said that he dismisses the entire gospel before Jesus died. (It appeared to me like that too), but instead of accusing him of treachery, I said, this is what that sounds like to me when you say such and such. Then he was able to expound and explain where his mind was at. But another poster just rip-roared over him in dismissal, slapping on the label as he went, and didn't hear or listen to his further explanation. And still accuses Bruce.
With Fran, she stated that works keep us saved. Once again, it appeared to me like she was saying something wrongjust as it appeared that way to me with Bruce , but I read her posts carefully, and in a place she said something like...works are necessary to keeping saved in the sense that you will have them if you are abiding in Jesus. But the label slapping continues and no one heard her. She clearly attributes the works to abiding and not to her own power, and yet she is said to not be abiding in Jesus. Despite what she said.
The errors are flying both ways.
We should be able to give out our beliefs - give the scriptures of why we believe that and leave it at that. These personal attacks are not from Christ in us brethren.
No one can "make" someone else believe - it must be by revelation of the Holy Spirit because that is His job of revealing the things of Christ to us.
If people are malice-filled and slander us - then just ignore it and don't interact with them anymore.
It serves no purpose but to cause strife and division if we keep interacting in this manner.
No one can "make" someone else believe - it must be by revelation of the Holy Spirit because that is His job of revealing the things of Christ to us.
If people are malice-filled and slander us - then just ignore it and don't interact with them anymore.
It serves no purpose but to cause strife and division if we keep interacting in this manner.
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Any honest person can see your intentions in that post..as I said. .you should learn to communicate without all the insults...if hope the moderators will help you understand the rules better 
evidently you do not have a clue. to why the meaning of slander ,was posted in the first place.
Then you will always be in a beef because there have been and continue to be many godly men who do not believe in OSAS and there have been and continue to be many godly men who do believe in OSAS. I've met some of both camps and they love our Lord and have received the Spirit and they walk consistently in the Spirit.
how old, do you think the bible is. who s sub-conscience existed before ours.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Romans 5
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Romans 5