Not By Works

[JIMBO43]

everything you say to me shows me that you are trying to earn your way to heaven. Which is not listening to God.

As God said, his grace is enough, it is all you need, Your works are filthy rags, and will never save you.

We are not under law. but under grace. You can not be under both..

We work because of Gods grace, not to earn Gods grace.

see your back to false accusation again coz ive proved to you Grace is something you grow in.

Grace is a gift a free gift to enable you to grown and remain faithfull,, correct me if im wrong but i feel you dont see grace like that.. i think you see grace as a final reward when it clearly isnt.. works are an expression of Gods grace by the believer.. theese are your fruits your works that you are flowering in from Gods grace.. what ever you do for one of my least you do it for Gods kingdom which is a direct result of Gods grace.. only them results you must flower for your self...

so not my faith alone but Gods faith to...

so its 50 50..

my works by them self do not obtain me salvation but if i dont express them or bare these fruits i will be cut off..

So the fruits that i bare prove i am one of his flowers in the his garden coz ive recived hi blood his grace and i am flowering the way all his other saved children flower...

if i flower like a weed however after recieving his grace then he will know im not one of his ...

and thees works my works will get me cut off..

in other words you cant plant a rose in Gods Garden from Gods seed and get a weed God will just remove it as unpure and unclean ...

 

[royalscot]

People who are saved should start baring some sort of fruit immediately.

How much fruit they bare depending on how much a person grows and learns to trust God in different ares of their life. The more they abide in the vine (grow in faith of just trusting jesus) , the more fruit they will bare.

if your cut off from god, because of law, then what fruit are you talking about.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

see your back to false accusation again coz ive proved to you Grace is something you grow in.

Grace is a gift a free gift to enable you to grown and remain faithfull,, correct me if im wrong but i feel you dont see grace like that.. i think you see grace as a final reward when it clearly isnt.. works are an expression of Gods grace by the believer.. theese are your fruits your works that you are flowering in from Gods grace.. what ever you do for one of my least you do it for Gods kingdom which is a direct result of Gods grace.. only them results you must flower for your self...

so not my faith alone but Gods faith to...

so its 50 50..

my works by them self do not obtain me salvation but if i dont express them or bare these fruits i will be cut off..

So the fruits that i bare prove i am one of his flowers in the his garden coz ive recived hi blood his grace and i am flowering the way all his other saved children flower...

if i flower like a weed however after recieving his grace the he will know im not one of his ...

and thees works my works will get me cut off..

in other words you cant plant a rose in Gods Garden from Gods seed and get a weed God will just remove it as unpure and unclean ...

Grace is something you grow in, I have said this all along.

But your teaching we are saved by our works. I do not hear any true grace from you, Only performance. do this or else..

That is what the law teaches, do this or else.

 

[Meggido]

The mere fact anyone claims salvation can be lost.

1. States God is not powerful enough to do what he promised (finish the work he started until the day of Christ)
2. States God is a liar (he did not perfect forever those who are being sanctified, if he did, then they are saved forever)
3. States Gods promises are not reliable (Jesus said whoever trusted in him will never hunger, never thirst, Never die, Live forever, and given his ASSURANCE he will raise them from the dead)
4. States God makes mistakes (he gave eternal life to someone he knew he would have to take back. because of sin, lack of faith or whatever reason one gives for why the eternal life will be surrendered)
States Gods pledge is meaningless (he said he gave the seal until the day of redemption. And never said he would take it back for any reason)
5. States we are more powerful than God (we can pluck ourselves out of his hands)
6. States eternal life is not eternal, but conditional.

About the only form which I would try not to argue about much is the form which says a person who Denys Christ lost salvation. Because no one believes and antichrist is saved, (however, I would not judge them, because I do not know their Heart, only God does (the one who says they deny Christ, peter denied Christ, and Christ never asked him to repent)

Al the rest, They slander us and say we love sin, They say we hate works, We condemn anyone who teaches works will be done by Gods children.. Yet get angry when we question what their faith is truly in.. and try to tell them we think they offend God and his character by their very belief.

So it is ok for them to judge, but how dare us say what we think..

Sadly, it has been going on since the beginning of the church, and it will go on until Christ returns.

there you go again ace...judging people for their beliefs...only you do not call it judging you call it giving out scenarios and other cute terms.....

 

[Meggido]

Amen brother, this is the means of christian growth according to scripture. If we do not have this confidence, We will either become stale. Stagnant, or unneffective workers in the kingdom of God.

Satan's greatest tactic is to teach a child of God lack of assurance, if he can do this, He cn turn them to religion, and away from God. And in essence, remove much of the power of God from that persons life.

Unless you are spiritually mature enough to know by the Spirit you are a child of God....

Check boxes and insurance polices are for those that walk by sight and not by faith....

 

[royalscot]

see your back to false accusation again coz ive proved to you Grace is something you grow in.

Grace is a gift a free gift to enable you to grown and remain faithfull,, correct me if im wrong but i feel you dont see grace like that.. i think you see grace as a final reward when it clearly isnt.. works are an expression of Gods grace by the believer.. theese are your fruits your works that you are flowering in from Gods grace.. what ever you do for one of my least you do it for Gods kingdom which is a direct result of Gods grace.. only them results you must flower for your self...

so not my faith alone but Gods faith to...

so its 50 50..

my works by them self do not obtain me salvation but if i dont express them or bare these fruits i will be cut off..

So the fruits that i bare prove i am one of his flowers in the his garden coz ive recived hi blood his grace and i am flowering the way all his other saved children flower...

if i flower like a weed however after recieving his grace then he will know im not one of his ...

and thees works my works will get me cut off..

in other words you cant plant a rose in Gods Garden from Gods seed and get a weed God will just remove it as unpure and unclean ...

take that up,with some of your earlier post.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.


using other peoples, definition to scripture ,and mixing it with scripture from your own understanding, yet reject answering and the usage of slander, only shows . you missed the point, of testing scripture for your self, and coming to your own level of understand,

 

[JIMBO43]

Think about what you are saying.

Grace is given to those who have not earned it, based on Gods mercy. (it is not merited)

If you could ever earn it, You would no longer need grace, You would instead start earning Gods forgiveness.

So based on this fact, No one who has been given Gods grace earns it, so in your example. No one could ever be saved,

like ive always said being saved is a direct result of the father handing you over to the son.. unmerrited.. the father plants his seed in all of us now from the least to the greatest ,,,, no longer do you need to say know the lord coz you wiil ......


recieving salvation however is based upon you baring fruits and remaining faithfull which is close to being merrited....


so in a nut shell being saved unmerrited.....

rececieving salvation is based upon some merrits has to be... or how else would a person get cut off..

 

[Meggido]

Just because none of this is possible without God does not preclude our responsibility to do all those things. We do it through a reliance on the power of God, not our ability, surely. But, generally speaking, He won't do anything for you that you do not seek him in and rely on him to do.

This is where so many Christians go wrong, terribly wrong. They take a false comfort out of not seeking him for the power to be everything they are to be, not realizing that their laziness is really just a lazy lack of faith in, and a contempt for the grace they have received. Grace to seek God and be changed, not grace to live comfortably in ongoing sin as the church is being taught grace is these days.

Matt 25.14-30 will catch many lazy Christians unaware...

Or living comfortably in only the passive work of Christ on their behalf

 

[JIMBO43]

take that up,with some of your earlier post.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.


using other peoples, definition to scripture ,and mixing it with scripture from your own understanding, yet reject answering and the usage of slander, only shows . you missed the point, of testing scripture for your self, and coming to your own level of understand,

yup i know you lke to throw out false accusations so no change here.. the sky is not blue its just a reflection from the sun..

 

[royalscot]

Unless you are spiritually mature enough to know by the Spirit you are a child of God....

Check boxes and insurance polices are for those that walk by sight and not by faith....

christian do not grow with scripture, scripture only give an account of other peoples work. were we get how others were saved by god. the rhema word , grows a child of god. and authority

16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.1

learning to listening to a voice, is not reading scripture, and is cut off, because of interpretation , because he cannot enter the spiritual towing the law , the saviour saved you from etc.

Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

Amen brother, this is the means of christian growth according to scripture. If we do not have this confidence, We will either become stale. Stagnant, or unneffective workers in the kingdom of God.

Satan's greatest tactic is to teach a child of God lack of assurance, if he can do this, He cn turn them to religion, and away from God. And in essence, remove much of the power of God from that persons life.

 

[JIMBO43]

You need to go back and look at what you agreed with. This time perhaps try a little harder to comprehend what you are reading.

Originally Posted by PHart

I do not believe in OSAS and I assure you this is not even remotely happening in me, lol.
The truth is, the fact that I can show contempt for God's grace has taught me to shrink before him in helplessness when I'm being defeated by sin. That's hardly a performance based belief in God and somehow trusting in myself, lol.
That's what OSASer's say. It's just that they think the only consequences are that they lose rewards. And the way many Christians live it's apparent they don't even care about those! Speaking from their viewpoint of OSAS, it's like they are okay with giving up the only thing they think they can lose (rewards) in exchange for a godless, uninterested, lazy, undisciplined, sinful, so-called 'Christian' life now. Hebrews says all they have to look forward to is the wrath of God that the enemies of God are going to get (as opposed to the chastisement of the sons of God).




[/QUOTE]meg whats wrong with this post ?

i have herd osas declare they only lose rewards or sinning ?

 

[royalscot]

yup i know you lke to throw out false accusations so no change here.. the sky is not blue its just a reflection from the sun..

good to know ,your eyes and thoughts stopped at the sky.

space is black, and the stars, look a lighting white colour., (try google for a better picture, to the beyond of human eye sight nd understanding)

human can olny speak of what there eyes have seen.

as for the spiritual , first learn to use your mind.

 

[JIMBO43]

christian do not grow with scripture, scripture

that would be another false gospel... the bible clearly says it is a gospel unto salvation..romans 1:16 i am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek.


it does seem that you dont seek the scriptures

 

[JIMBO43]

good to know ,your eyes and thoughts stopped at the sky.

space is black, and the stars, look a lighting white colour., (try google for a better picture, to the beyond of human eye sight nd understanding)

human can olny speak of what there eyes have seen.

as for the spiritual , first learn to use your mind.

nope another false gospel...

blessed are those who believe in the unseen...

 

[royalscot]

that would be another false gospel... the bible clearly says it is a gospel unto salvation..romans 1:16 i am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek

it does seem that you dont seek the scriptures

when did the spirtual lead, to the gospel, when jesus is in heaven.
and how did you learn he was in heaven.

 

[royalscot]

nope another false gospel...

blessed are those who believe in the unseen...

sorry must be to stupid to see your point, given it was the one i made, can you only steal other people ideas.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

there you go again ace...judging people for their beliefs...only you do not call it judging you call it giving out scenarios and other cute terms.....

I call it as I see it. Just like you call things the way you see it.

Can you prove me wrong, or are you just going to sit there and attack?

the fact you did not say anything about the points I made speaks volumes.

 

[JIMBO43]

when did the spirtual lead, to the gospel, when jesus is in heaven.
and how did you learn he was in heaven.

when did you learn that christians do not grow in the word.. ?

or more to the point where did you learn this ....

I THINK I HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK SEEING AS YOU FALSLY ACCUSE ME OF LEANING ON MY OWN UNDERSTANDNG...

 

[tourist]

sorry must be to stupid to see your point, given it was the one i made, can you only steal other people ideas.

There really isn't any new ideas but rather different perspectives on how to best implement them.

 

[royalscot]

that would be another false gospel... the bible clearly says it is a gospel unto salvation..romans 1:16 i am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek.

it does seem that you dont seek the scriptures

take it up with ,why your cut off, and see if any stars light, up the darkness, after you cross over.