The Trinity Discussion

[Dagallen]

LOL I thought you just quoted Scripture and didn't interpret it?

The word 'angel' means messenger. A messenger only has the authority of the one who sends the message for that message only.

Of course angels were made 'in the image of God, as were men. It simply meant that they were imbued with the means of knowing God and talking with Him. They, like both God and men, had spirits.

It my opinion which is open to change, it not an interpretation.

 

[valiant]

Baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the the Holy Spirit. note what it does not say, baptizing them in the name of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Baptising them in the ONE NAME of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Name of Yahweh. It does not say 'names' it says Name. There is One Yahweh.

 

[Dagallen]

Yeshua the Father who sent the Savior in his name, Yeshua, Yeshua the son was sent. At a later point Yeshua the son was changed to Yeshuwah, the wah is where the word was came from in old text meaning, Yeshua the Savior who was sent.

 

[trofimus]

Yeshua the Father who sent the Savior in his name, Yeshua, Yeshua the son was sent. At a later point Yeshua the son was changed to Yeshuwah, the wah is where the word was came from in old text meaning, Yeshua the Savior who was sent.

uhm... what?

 

[valiant]

He is the Son who is God like,

He is the ONLY SON. Therefore He is not godlike, He is God. (You were interpreting again? LOL)

Yes ! John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting, what so ever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. John 14:24 and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's which sent me.

Yes the Father sent the SON, the ONLY Son, and He bore witness to the Father. Notice 'He gave Me command as to what I should speak'. No one else could say that. Only the One Who was in direct communication with His Father.

But as man living on earth He pointed to His source in Heaven.

 

[Dagallen]

uhm... what?

Different languages used different names, it depends on what language you are using.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by Dagallen Yeshua the Father who sent the Savior in his name, Yeshua, Yeshua the son was sent. At a later point Yeshua the son was changed to Yeshuwah, the wah is where the word was came from in old text meaning, Yeshua the Savior who was sent.

uhm... what?

oh Dagallen never interprets. He just quotes Scripture. He said so himself. Its just that his Scripture are his own invention

 

[valiant]

Different languages used different names, it depends on what language you are using.

LOL what next? It certainly isn't Hebrew'

 

[valiant]

It my opinion which is open to change, it not an interpretation.

LOL you'd better be open to change. Everyone else calls it interpretation,

 

[valiant]

All power given to Jesus by whom?

By the Godhead,

The father (God) The son (of God) and God's Active Force.

God the Father, the ONLY Son Who must therefore be God,

and the Holy Spirit Who proceeded from the Father and the Son 'I will send HIM unto you'.

In other words the Triune God.

 

[Dagallen]

oh Dagallen never interprets. He just quotes Scripture. He said so himself. Its just that his Scripture are his own invention

I guess some people just doesn't know the the differences between interpretation, opinions, history, what are you the daily troll for the day ?

 

[valiant]

I guess some people just doesn't know the the differences between interpretation, opinions, history,

well at least you admit it

and by the way. shua is what means salvation. Yeshua means 'Yahweh is salvation'

your nonsense about wah is just pure wrong

 

[bluto]

He who has seen me has seen the Father but Jesus is not the Father, in fact he says something even more. John 5:37 Ye have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his form. When Jesus said, he who has me has seen Father, he is clearly saying some different than what you are saying.

You know dagallen, you just proved that you don't even read the post from us who are really trying to help you. Your now telling me and I quote, "but Jesus is not the Father," You also are saying that I'm saying something different than what the text is saying which means you are accusing me of saying that Jesus Christ is the Father.

This is what I said in my post, and I even used big letters so you would not misunderstand what I said. "Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of God and this is why at John 14:9 He says, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." This "DOES NOT" mean that Jesus Christ is God the Father like the oneness pentecostals teach."

Did I not say, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" and then I said, "This 'DOES NOT" MEAN THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE FATHER." In short, you don't even read these post, you just react to them because you are so deceived and blinded that the facts don't mean anything to you.

It's just like you saying the apostles never said Jesus was God and then when it is proven that you were wrong you just ignore it and continue walking on your way still blind and deceived.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Nehemiah6]

Thin ice, what a foolish thing to say. Yes God is made clear throughout but no where does it say, God the Son, instead it just says the Son, just as it does not say God the Holy Spirit. God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one God and the Son is one Jesus Christ. So why don't you reply to John 14:24 I have posted it many times but no reply from anyone, why is that ? Because it doesn't fit a lot of people's belief.

John 14:24 cannot contradict anything else that is in Scripture. So let's see what it REALLY says in light of ALL Scripture.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

This is totally consistent with these verses in the same chapter:

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Now did you take note of what is stated above? Jesus is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. So the words He spoke were from the Father who was within the Son, and yet they were the words of Christ. But the Son is also within the Father. How do we *explain* the Mystery of God? We do not. We simply believe it, and now that you know why the words of Jesus were the words of the Father, you must sincerely repent. Unless the Godhead is three Divine Persons, none of this could be reconciled.

 

[Dagallen]

well at least you admit it

and by the way. shua is what means salvation. Yeshua means 'Yahweh is salvation'

your nonsense about wah is just pure wrong

Saying I am wrong is your opinion.

 

[Dagallen]

John 14:24 cannot contradict anything else that is in Scripture. So let's see what it REALLY says in light of ALL Scripture.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

This is totally consistent with these verses in the same chapter:

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Now did you take note of what is stated above? Jesus is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. So the words He spoke were from the Father who was within the Son, and yet they were the words of Christ. But the Son is also within the Father. How do we *explain* the Mystery of God? We do not. We simply believe it, and now that you know why the words of Jesus were the words of the Father, you must sincerely repent. Unless the Godhead is three Divine Persons, none of this could be reconciled.

I am in the Father and the Father is in me ? That doesn't mean the son is the Father himself, just as it does not mean the Father is the son himself. When one receives the Holy Spirit, the presence of the Holy Spirit dwell within, does that make them Jesus himself, does that make them God them self ? What he heard his Father speak, so he spoke with his own voice, does that mean people who heard the voice of Jesus, heard the voice of God himself ?

 

[Maynard]

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[valiant]

Saying I am wrong is your opinion.

I at least know Hebrew and Greek to advanced level. Do you?

 

[Nehemiah6]

I am in the Father and the Father is in me ? That doesn't mean the son is the Father himself, just as it does not mean the Father is the son himself. When one receives the Holy Spirit, the presence of the Holy Spirit dwell within, does that make them Jesus himself, does that make them God them self ? What he heard his Father speak, so he spoke with his own voice, does that mean people who heard the voice of Jesus, heard the voice of God himself ?

Who in the world has ever suggested that the Father is the Son or the Son is the Father? That is simply a red herring. What you need to grasp thoroughly is that the Godhead is a MYSTERY -- the Mystery of God. So no one can explain how the Father is in the Son or the Son is in the Father, or how the words of the Son are also the words of the Father and vice versa. Your basic problem is UNBELIEF.

 

[valiant]

I am in the Father and the Father is in me ? That doesn't mean the son is the Father himself, just as it does not mean the Father is the son himself. When one receives the Holy Spirit, the presence of the Holy Spirit dwell within, does that make them Jesus himself, does that make them God them self ? What he heard his Father speak, so he spoke with his own voice, does that mean people who heard the voice of Jesus, heard the voice of God himself ?

But He said 'he who has seen Me has seen the Father'. And He made clear He meant literally.. That requires a very close relationship. In other words what the Son was, the Father was.

We cannot say that.

Yes they did. That is why they were condemned.